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[Professor Lich]

Wow, it's awesome how hitbox has embedded images in it's chat.

 

[ChosenPredator]

holy smokes that chat I can't fathom why people do that i really wish i could see everyone behind the screen typing that junk ...lol

 

[Grimm Fandango]

EDIT: Nvm, bad idea

Yeah probably best. Detective GAF scaring me...

 

[Valnen]

I assure you that the rampant faux-homophobia, faux-antisemitism, faux-racism, and stupidity (which is certainly not faux!) does not represent the anti-Horror movement. What you see there in the chat is the extreme minority. All of the other people who are angry because a moderator moderated are stand-up citizens who would never participate in such insensitivity.

Now if you'll excuse me, Dean Monroe is calling me to a tub of glittering diamonds. Ta.

Really? You're trying to discredit legitimate complaints because some random unknowns are spamming a chat with the usual 4chan/internet trash? REALLY?

 

[AppleMIX]

A moderator employed favoritism (much like how Blizzard employs favoritism via its F&F program, and much like how every entity ever employs favoritism, consciously or not). The public response included sexual harassment and widespread harassment, to which he responded by employing bans.

Is this really as "wrong" as you think it is--and do your morals even matter against the ToS? I can tell you right now that the PR is on Twitch's side.

So you're arguing that every single person who got banned were resorting sexual harassment and widespread harassment...

I'm sorry but I'm calling bullshit. The phrase remove horror has nothing to do with him being a gay furry and has everything to do with his childish actions. While the original post could be interpreted as offensive (even that is a stretch) it has nothing with the other bannings. Hell, I've seen Horror in several chats over the years and not fucking once did anyone talk down to him because of his sexual preference.

TOS or not, It does fucking matter because they're completely pissing off their customer base because of the childish actions of a Admin.

 

[Frolow]

holy smokes that chat I can't fathom why people do that i really wish i could see everyone behind the screen typing that junk ...lol

They're nothing special, just edgy teenagers who think they're funny.

 

[Fotheringay]

Really? You're trying to discredit legitimate complaints because some random unknowns are spamming a chat with the usual 4chan/internet trash? REALLY?

It's pretty obvious he's just attempting to turn this topic into "muh fursecution". Best to ignore at this point.

 

[theprodigy]

I assure you that the rampant faux-homophobia, faux-antisemitism, faux-racism, and stupidity (which is certainly not faux!) does not represent the anti-Horror movement. What you see there in the chat is the extreme minority. All of the other people who are angry because a moderator moderated are stand-up citizens who would never participate in such insensitivity.

Now if you'll excuse me, Dean Monroe is calling me to a tub of glittering diamonds. Ta.

So do you regularly pull this bullshit to try and undermine or avoid a discussion you don't like, or is accusing people you disagree with that they're actually someone else or doing something they're not just standard practice with you?

Because this is embarrassing to watch.

this works even better

 

[redwolflim]

Spoiler

I better lay down and enjoy the show

 

[Requeim]

I assure you that the rampant faux-homophobia, faux-antisemitism, faux-racism, and stupidity (which is certainly not faux!) does not represent the anti-Horror movement. What you see there in the chat is the extreme minority. All of the other people who are angry because a moderator moderated are stand-up citizens who would never participate in such insensitivity.

Now if you'll excuse me, Dean Monroe is calling me to a tub of glittering diamonds. Ta.

lol if 10-20 people spamming a livestream chat gets this kind of a reaction, you might want to stay away from something like 4chan (or maybe just the internet). It's probably not good for you

 

[ab.aeterno]

Legal rights don't even need to play into it. They're a given and bringing it up is trivial. For a forum, its userbase represents both its product and its customers. Pissing off your users unnecessarily will diminish the incentive for people to post in general. The inertia achieved by simply having so many users already only goes so far, and even though you might still do well in numbers the quality of the crowd can change for the worse. That's why mod action needs to be reasonable and why there needs to be good communication regarding it. It's not because mods have to, but because they should.

I wasn't discussing legality, I was addressing the notion that a mod banning people for any reason is somehow extraordinary. I was using GAF as an example of a forum where this happens all the time, with little or no communication (if stories are to be believed.)

As for your other point, again, I don't disagree. It's bad for Twitch and the circling of wagons and response by other staff members is gross and making matters worse, and reflects poorly on them. Most of what I address has been about the beginning of this small ordeal.

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That has nothing to do with what I asked you, but OK.

It was a dumb issue that Horror himself blew up by banning Duke and Twitch mods banning anyone who dissented. That whole furry thing isn't even an issue anymore, the meat of the drama is in the aftermath. I'm pretty biased, because I thought it was a funny, crude joke at an admin's expense, but I'm not sure what Duke expected to happen either after he made the joke haha.

Well, that's where your biases are blinding you to what I'm trying to express: I don't think that was funny, because I think jokes like that cross a line. That's me, and not everyone agrees, that's cool. But saying it was nothing or harmless isn't true, and several people seem to agree with me. It's something worthy of disciplinary action, there, here, or wherever it would happen. But the perma may have gone too far, and the actions afterwards certainly did.

 

[Hitokage]

It's pretty obvious he's just attempting to turn this topic into "muh fursecution". Best to ignore at this point.

Yes people, for the love of god, please don't do this.

Typing that word is already a tragedy.

 

[Alvarez]

EDIT: Nvm, bad idea

Good move.

Before I go: I'm not a Twitch employee or a furry (though I respect anthropomorphism in the same way I respect every fetish, even the ones I find revolting). I'm just someone who thinks that 3-day IP bans aren't as noteworthy and potentially life-changing as the tsunami of harassment that NeoGAF and other websites have decided to unleash upon someone whose greatest possible crime is that he made a decision that some or even most people disagree with.

People are acting like he went Tseric and just started banning everyone within reach. No. He banned people because he felt like they were in violation of the TOS. Whether they actually were is for Twitch--not an angry mob of 4chan teens with nothing better to do than launch harassment campaigns--to decide.

 

[Venfayth]

Twitch are behaving like children.. Completely unprofessional. Fire these morons, hire competent professionals. This is unacceptable. A company doesn't get to act "offended" and lash out to protect its image.

 

[Frolow]

Good move.

Before I go: I'm not a Twitch employee or a furry (though I respect anthropomorphism in the same way I respect every fetish, even the ones I find revolting). I'm just someone who thinks that 3-day IP bans aren't as noteworthy and potentially life-changing as the tsunami of harassment that NeoGAF and other websites have decided to unleash upon someone whose greatest possible crime is that he made a decision that some or even most people disagree with.

People are acting like he went Tseric and just started banning everyone within reach. No. He banned people because he felt like they were in violation of the TOS. Whether they actually were is for Twitch--not an angry mob of 4chan teens with nothing better to do than launch harassment campaigns--to decide.

It becomes a big deal when people, who make their living off of Twitch, start getting banned. And these aren't 3-Day IP bans, at least to my knowledge, they're permanent.

 

[Aeana]

Twitch are behaving like children.. Completely unprofessional. Fire these morons, hire competent professionals. This is unacceptable.

Absolutely everyone involved in this is acting like a child.

 

[Papercuts]

Good move.

Before I go: I'm not a Twitch employee or a furry (though I respect anthropomorphism in the same way I respect every fetish, even the ones I find revolting). I'm just someone who thinks that 3-day IP bans aren't as noteworthy and potentially life-changing as the tsunami of harassment that NeoGAF and other websites have decided to unleash upon someone whose greatest possible crime is that he made a decision that some or even most people disagree with.

People are acting like he went Tseric and just started banning everyone within reach. No. He banned people because he felt like they were in violation of the TOS. Whether they actually were is for Twitch--not an angry mob of 4chan teens with nothing better to do than launch harassment campaigns--to decide.

Many things discussed on this forum are not on the level of a real world tragedy like that, of course. That does not mean it's all sunshine and sprinkles and that real discussion cannot be had.

People DO get income from twitch, and some use it as an actual job. Getting an IP ban for questionable reasons, and seeing the blowback from it leading to things like blatantly censoring other forums from talking about it is absolutely insane nonetheless.

 

[JBourne]

Free Jiyuna, too.

 

[Alvarez]

It becomes a big deal when people, who make their living off of Twitch, start getting banned. And these aren't 3-Day IP bans, at least to my knowledge, they're permanent.

They're 3-day bans.

 

[BitStyle]

Free Jiyuna, too.

He'd only find a way to get banned again Kappa.

 

[ab.aeterno]

Twitch are behaving like children.. Completely unprofessional. Fire these morons, hire competent professionals. This is unacceptable. A company doesn't get to act "offended" and lash out to protect its image.

One mod acting poorly and unprofessionally isn't surprising (it happens) just sad; an entire organization going off the rails is a whole different type of sad.

Catching back up with this, yeah. The Reddit censoring is fucked.

 

[Kumubou]

They're 3-day bans.

How do you know this?

He'd only find a way to get banned again Kappa.

He already did.

 

[Thaster]

http://www.hitbox.tv/T0ast

lol

Wow. This is incredible.

That Horror guy seems like a real douche. Hopefully, he ends up getting "removed".

 

[Venfayth]

Absolutely everyone involved in this is acting like a child.

I agree, but I'm not shocked by the internet being hateful people. And, fuck, they (Twitch) shouldn't be either, they moderate these chats day in and day out. It sucks that people are awful but when you're representing a company, you don't lash out emotionally.

 

[Tomat]

Absolutely everyone involved in this is acting like a child.

Save us from ourselves.

 

[Frolow]

Absolutely everyone involved in this is acting like a child.

Exactly.

Although I would like to point out that a majority of large speedrunners are staying out of this situation entirely. It's mainly the smaller guys who are getting the attention due to their controversial content.

 

[sophora]

Wow. This is incredible.

That Horror guy seems like a real douche. Hopefully, he ends up getting "removed".

Horror is a pretty nice guy from my experiences with him in chat rooms over the years.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

Legal rights don't even need to play into it. They're a given and bringing it up is trivial. For a forum, its userbase represents both its product and its customers. Pissing off your users unnecessarily will diminish the incentive for people to post in general. The inertia achieved by simply having so many users already only goes so far, and even though you might still do well in numbers the quality of the crowd can change for the worse. That's why mod action needs to be reasonable and why there needs to be good communication regarding it. It's not because mods have to, but because they should.

Basically this.

 

[Mr. X]

Lol it's a 3 day ban?

 

[Hitokage]

I wasn't discussing legality, I was addressing the notion that a mod banning people for any reason is somehow extraordinary. I was using GAF as an example of a forum where this happens all the time, with little or no communication (if stories are to be believed.)

As a former admin, I would offer that because something does happen does not mean it should.

As for your other poibtst, again, I don't disagree. It's bad for Twitch and the circling of wagons and response by other staff members is gross and making matters worse, and reflects poorly on them. Most of what I address has been about the becoming of this small ordeal..

In addition to what I said earlier, the picture changes when money is actually exchanged. The whole "we do what we want" legal status no longer applies as much because contract law comes into play, and staff actions have more material consequences.

 

[CaptainBroseph]

Well, that's where your biases are blinding you to what I'm trying to express: I don't think that was funny, because I think jokes like that cross a line. That's me, and not everyone agrees, that's cool. But saying it was nothing or harmless isn't true, and several people seem to agree with me. It's something worthy of disciplinary action, there, here, or wherever it would happen. But the perma may have gone too far, and the actions afterwards certainly did.

I'd say it was over the top, and showed that Horror has very thin skin. How has he survived as a gay furry and as head admin of the largest streaming platform in the world?

 

[panty]

Furries... sigh

This Horror dude seems to be a complete fucking asshole.

 

[Htown]

uh

wow

 

[Fotheringay]

uh

wow

I've seen posts on /r/gaming, /r/games, and /r/twitch all be taken down. Pretty ridiculous.

 

[ab.aeterno]

As a former admin, I would offer that because something does happen does not mean it should.

Of course. I wasn't speaking to the morality of that, just that it happens, and how the outrage over one specific instance seems, to me, silly, given its high occurrence.

In addition to what I said earlier, the picture changes when money is actually exchanged. The whole "we do what we want" legal status no longer applies as much because contract law comes into play, and staff actions have more material consequences.

That's a fair point, and one I had not considered, given its not something I'm familiar with. That does change the dynamic of this situation.

 

[FStop7]

Twitch investors must be pissed about all of this.

I'm surprised Google hasn't made a move to directly compete with Twitch, either way.

 

[K.Sabot]

Yeah, pretty damnable.

Seems like the message got out to Global Twitch Mods to shut the fuck up for now, maybe we'll have a bit of resolution to this iniquity.

Well, at least on twitch itself, though they're still trying to censor elsewhere apparently.

 

[Papercuts]

Twitch investors must be pissed about all of this.

I'm surprised Google hasn't made a move to directly compete with Twitch, either way.

They've been messing with livestreaming on youtube. Doesn't seem like it has really taken off too much, though.

Also the support for youtube is pretty dire to begin with.

 

[Crash55118]

Absolutely everyone involved in this is acting like a child.

This.

 

[K.Sabot]

Twitch investors must be pissed about all of this.

I'm surprised Google hasn't made a move to directly compete with Twitch, either way.

They're trying to stop the actual outrage from growing (in deplorable ways), so it's pretty insular right now.

 

[Village]

Wait wait wait , let me see if I have thsi correct

So dude got a message from someone about Him and and his boyfriend, and the sender was being a dick. Because the sender couldn't deal with an Icon? So the guy bans him, I can kind understand that part. If i pm bish and I know some shit about his personal life and make fun of him about and get banned, that is to expected.

Ok so then he banns more people, because the people who like the guy who got banned and want him back. Ok so now dude was being dick.

I'm probably missing something.

 

[ab.aeterno]

I'd say it was over the top, and showed that Horror has very thin skin. How has he survived as a gay furry and as head admin of the largest streaming platform in the world?

I'd say joking about a stranger's SO is kinda weird and uncalled for, and that one shouldn't need a thick skin for that. But we'll agree to disagree. It's the internet so it doesn't matter right? Or at least, it doesn't surprise me.

 

[Cosmo Clock 21]

in the end all that's probably going to come out of this is free publicity for hitbox.tv

 

[Fotheringay]

Wait wait wait , let me see if I have thsi correct

So dude got a message from someone about Him and and his boyfriend, and the sender was being a dick. Because the sender couldn't deal with an Icon? So the guy bans him, I can kind understand that part. If i pm bish and I know some shit about his personal life and make fun of him about and get banned, that is to expected.

Ok so then he banns more people, because the people who like the guy who got banned and want him back. Ok so now dude was being dick.

I'm probably missing something.

An admin with a known history of being a moron about dealing with e-motes, which are quite coveted on Twitch due to them not being easy to get, makes a global emote of a furry porn character for his boyfriend, right after Twitch took down a well-respected speedrunner's (Cyghfer) emotes. Another speedrunner, Duke, cracks a joke about getting into the admin's pants so he can get an emote as well. The admin IP banned him. What happened from there is well documented on reddit's /r/speedrun.

 

[Kamina]

I'm probably missing something.

The furry stuff of course

 

[Cuyejo]

uh

wow

I hope this backfires in a monumental way, bunch of man children assholes.

 

[Village]

An admin with a known history of being a moron about dealing with e-motes, which are quite coveted on Twitch due to them not being easy to get, makes a global emote of a furry porn character for his boyfriend, right after Twitch took down a well-respected speedrunner's (Cyghfer) emotes. Another speedrunner, Duke, cracks a joke about getting into the admin's pants so he can get an emote as well. The admin IP banned him. What happened from there is well documented on reddit's /r/speedrun.

So the admin is irresponsible, and the users are acting like children.

 

[ian to the max]

So the admin is irresponsible, and the users are acting like children.

Swing and a miss. Try gathering all pertinent information before joining a conversation.

EDIT: Start here.

 

[Mr. X]

Wait wait wait , let me see if I have thsi correct

So dude got a message from someone about Him and and his boyfriend, and the sender was being a dick. Because the sender couldn't deal with an Icon? So the guy bans him, I can kind understand that part. If i pm bish and I know some shit about his personal life and make fun of him about and get banned, that is to expected.

Ok so then he banns more people, because the people who like the guy who got banned and want him back. Ok so now dude was being dick.

I'm probably missing something.

I don't think it was a PM but the rest of it seems to be what I've heard.

 

[sophora]

I'm enjoying reading all the slightly differing "facts" about what happened. People seem to be painting Horror in quite a terrible fashion...it's so weird to see people react to badly to him when I've chatted with him enough times over the years to know he's a pretty good guy