Well, Sony seemed to sorta know beforehand with remote play and intend to make it run better on PS4 (second wi-fi chip JUST for Vita usage?), but time will tell whether that's equal/very close to Wii U, or is like PSP and kind of a joke for any game that requires low latency.
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Ubisoft convinced second-screen gaming is the future
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The two are pretty far from being mutually exclusive at this point....
Ubisoft: Dear armchair publisher: the Wii U doesn't have the install base nor the specs (everything we've seen on the three seem to indicate downporting is going to be impossible, thus new WiiU specific versions cut down to fit the memory bottlenecks would be required...and those cost lots of money) to warrant such attention. Sorry.
I agree with this. So many people have/will have phones/tablets capable of running apps connected to these devices - at the same time, console makers will want to sell secondary devices, and we know what those are. The PS3 has already done some awesome stuff with 2nd screen (Gucamelee).
Freezie KO
Banned
Well, games on smartphones and tablets are proven. And games on consoles are proven. Multiplayer is proven to be fun. Asymmetric multiplayer is proven to be fun.
So allowing smartphones/tablets to interact with consoles in an asymmetric multiplayer environment is more than an "unproven gimmick." It's pretty smart.
Fredrik
Member
It's still like claiming that it doesn't make sense to add motion features to a Wii version but makes sense to add it to a PS3 version.
The tech is already there on WiiU, everyone owns that second screen, and the console is built for it from the ground up and works flawlessly. How well will it work on PS4/XB1 and how many will actually own the devices that adds a second screen? No idea. But apparently it still make more sense lol
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
As much as I want to agree with you, this trend will die a slow and painful death. The only reason it will stay alive is Wii U regaining dev support.
I can't argue wtih your logic.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
People love playing on console.
People love gaming on phones.
People love Android and want its app on TV.
People want to play those games on TV.
People want Android-based consoles!!
*enters Ouya*
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Freezie KO
Banned
Well, I think the safe bet on any new trend is for it to die a slow and painful death. I just think that the reasoning is there to at least give this a try.
Really? It'd be like predicting back in the mid nineties that 3D might be the future, but the Virtual Boy isn't the platform to establish that future. While I know that isn't entirely equivalent, the point still stands: The Wii U has had nearly a year on the market to establish a sizable and marketable userbase before X1 and PS4 released. It has absolutely not capitalized on this, and given the spec. discrepancy between it and the other two systems it doesn't have anywhere near the pull to warrant such attention. For the time being as long as games are developed cross gen the system should still get games, but once games start being developed exclusively for X1 and PS4 the Wii U is effectively done in terms of third party support, barring the odd exclusive everyonce in a while. It's the Wii situation all over again, except it won't have anywhere near the marketshare the WIi did.
I don't disagree with any of this, but as I said I think it's just sad. I'd much rather see the Wii U Gamepad being used than tablets. It's an absolute shame the Wii U doesn't have the specs or install base it could, because a console as powerful as the Xbox One or PS4 with the Wii U's tablet controller would bring fourth so much innovation. It could have ended up being the definite system for multiplats if devs use it for even just maps or off-TV play.
Probably more they'll just copy their app directly for Wii U. Or so I hope if they have sense. It's doing this with Vita I'm more concerned about.
This will not end well...
Cameron122
Member
They also believed in the WiiU
Weird, the comment that says they'll think about second screen gaming with the WiiU. Is Third Screen gaming too much for mortals?
Weird, the comment that says they'll think about second screen gaming with the WiiU. Is Third Screen gaming too much for mortals?
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
You're right. The biggest problem is that this decade has seen and will see a lot of new hardwares that everyone want support for; some of these gimmicks will have to die with no glory.
PS3 Slim(mer)
Xbox Mini/Slim
Wii U
Playstation Vita
Playstation 4
Xbox One
Kinect 2
Playstation Eye (2? With Move?)
Ouya
Gamestick
Oculus Rift
Virtuix Omni
Nvidia Shield
Firefox OS
iOS 7
New Android OS
Windows 8.1 and/or Smartglass
PC upgrades
Steam changes and more community-based supports
Publishers coming out with their own services
and much much more. Which one will die first? Which new hardware/app/software will emerge that may become a norm? Only time will tell...
reptilescorpio
Member
Do I need to buy a new tablet every 12 months to use these apps? That would really suck.
ElectricKaibutsu
Member
YES, I came into this thread expecting Ubisoft to be talking up this. I'm disappointed they're actually talking about tablets.
I think you're misinterpreting what he's saying. He's not saying they'll do second screen stuff on Wii U games from Ubisoft if it makes sense, he's saying Ubisoft will be doing second screen stuff from now on, and Wii U games if it makes sense.
Makes sense = Cross gen titles
Doesn't make sense = X1/PS4 titles
Freezie KO
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For sure. Introducing anything new into the market is a risk. I just think saying that multiplayer using a phone is an "unproven gimmick" is ridiculous. Whether or not the obstinate hardcore gamer crowd that thought you had to stand up and run in place to use a Wii remote will accept it... well, that's another story.
Cameron122
Member
GrotesqueBeauty
Banned
If it's the future why have they been dumping on the console built around the damn feature?
That's my point. This is mobile app interface for multiplayer, which they talked about at E3. Its more like smartglass than what multiplayer would/could be like with the Wii U or maybe even PS4/Vita.
Zoramon089
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. . .
What
shinra-bansho
Member
On one hand, it is a gimmick, and a lot of implementations of this will be garbage. On the other hand, there are some applications where this not only makes sense, but is actually rather brilliant. Using a tablet for BF4 Commander mode sounds pretty awesome; the top down strategic viewpoint is probably even better suited to the touch interface than it is to a controller. You can certainly touch points on a map much faster and more intuitively than using a stick to move a reticule around and hit a button. Don't have enough experience with previous Commander modes to know whether the resulting higher APM will make any decisive difference in a match (I actually suspect not, but I dunno). It's definitely interesting, especially since you can presumably play with your friends even when away from your console though.
Because the system both doesn't have the userbase to support the high level development costs Ubisoft is committed to, nor the specs to catch downports from the systems' that Ubisoft and the rest of the AAA industry is betting the future on. What's worse is that unlike the Wii the Wii U won't have the large userbase to carry it for the rest of the gen.
Nintendo has effectively made another N64 with this console.
Freezie KO
Banned
Agreed. I think the applications for actual gameplay can be fascinating. Especially playing a secondary role on your phone in an online multiplayer match while you're away from your console.
shinra-bansho
Member
I'm not sure why some people are confused with regard to Wii U or think what Guillemot is saying is contradictory.
He even gives examples of wanting to play on his iPad with friends at an airport, and rightly states that for many of these people the "second-screen" they're referring to - the tablets and smartphones - are really the first screen.
Guillemot isn't talking about a vision of all systems with a touchscreen slapped onto the controller. He's talking about a vision where they can capture new markets by tapping into mobile gaming and by allowing interaction between the billions of smart devices and consoles in a meaningful fashion. He's also talking about the potential to carry forward a persistent experience from a home console game onto a smart device for a single user.
What he's not talking about is a tethered pseudo-tablet.
I'm can only assume that these same people confused by this think Nintendo are the ones that that are driving the trend towards companion apps and mobile gaming, rather than the actual industry drivers Google and Apple.
He even gives examples of wanting to play on his iPad with friends at an airport, and rightly states that for many of these people the "second-screen" they're referring to - the tablets and smartphones - are really the first screen.
Guillemot isn't talking about a vision of all systems with a touchscreen slapped onto the controller. He's talking about a vision where they can capture new markets by tapping into mobile gaming and by allowing interaction between the billions of smart devices and consoles in a meaningful fashion. He's also talking about the potential to carry forward a persistent experience from a home console game onto a smart device for a single user.
What he's not talking about is a tethered pseudo-tablet.
I'm can only assume that these same people confused by this think Nintendo are the ones that that are driving the trend towards companion apps and mobile gaming, rather than the actual industry drivers Google and Apple.
What he's talking about is easily accomplished on a Wii U because every Wii U comes with the gamepad.
Zero PS4s will come with a tablet.
I understand that you mean a portable device rather than one that has to be within range, but if he's basically saying that they want to explore that option, then why not work with the Wii U and the 3DS?
How can it make more sense to do this with the PS4 and X1 but not with the Wii U?
This is for two separate people to interact with the same game.
You would have to have one person using the buttons while another leans over their shoulder and uses the touchscreen.
ThaiNoodles
Banned
Can't really do what they are talking about with the Wii U because the tablet doesn't work outside of your house.
Ingueferroque
Banned
I can't wait for Ubisoft to implode on itself.
Won't tablets streaming video that high quality and resolution be rinsed of battery pretty quickly?
Seems like an over reaction really, they are supporting Wii U more then other devs and people have a tendancy to look too much into small things people say off the cuff "if it makes sense." Could just as well be when the situation arises. They see how much Nintendo will spend on advertising and getting some sales for the system, or when the next project comes up. It's not like Nintendo has been flooding the Wii U with titles themselves lately or made it generally attractive for devs.
It's not really unreasonable for them to be concentrating on the next major system launches which aren't a long ways away.
Seems like an over reaction really, they are supporting Wii U more then other devs and people have a tendancy to look too much into small things people say off the cuff "if it makes sense." Could just as well be when the situation arises. They see how much Nintendo will spend on advertising and getting some sales for the system, or when the next project comes up. It's not like Nintendo has been flooding the Wii U with titles themselves lately or made it generally attractive for devs.
It's not really unreasonable for them to be concentrating on the next major system launches which aren't a long ways away.
I suspect they're too smart for that. It's kinda like with EA and sports games, except for Ubisoft it's casual games.
Freezie KO
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Or one person uses the GamePad as a tablet and the other uses a Wiimote/nunchuk or Pro Controller.
I see it breaks down like this:
PS4 player at home; Tablet player in same home [Y]
PS4 player at home; Tablet player connected anywhere [Y]
Wii U player at home; GamePad player in same home [Y]
Wii U player at home; GamePad player in different home with a second Wii U online [Y]
Wii U player at home; GamePad player wandering streets [N]
and that's assuming there will never be an iOS/Android app that works with Wii U.
It is interesting, but I hardly think it's the future (for these next gen consoles anyway). BF4 is one of the few examples where I can actually see it being used. You have a pre existing mode, and an interface that actually makes more sense, and is easier to use with that mode, available as an option in a game with a massive fan/userbase. Having all those factors working in it's favour is a pretty a rare situation though.
Most popular console games require controls that aren't compatible with a touchscreen interface, so most of the things devs have come up with so far are add-on gimmicks out of necessity, otherwise they compromise the core product being sold. Maybe if publishers start putting some more traditionally PC based games, like complex strategy games, on consoles it could be useful, but that would require a tablet to be available as the primary control interface. I think that seems like too much of a sales risk, but maybe if it makes porting games easier it won't be.
Dion Blaster
Member
You couldn't make stuff like this up.
Um, how about the first player uses the Pro Controller and the second player the Gamepad? Just seems a lame excuse to me that you can't use the gamepad as a tablet. In Pikmin 3 you can play with Wiimote+Nunchuck and use the Gamepad as a map. I don't know what is going on at Ubisoft, but they must have had a pretty big change of heart do shit all over Nintendo like that. And with change of heart I mean a nice bonus from somebody.
Edit: Beaten by Freezie KO .__.
This absolutely floored me. I read it the same way lol! Soooooooooo disrespectful.
GrotesqueBeauty
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Almost none of which applies to their handling of Rayman Legends.
akidnamededdy
Banned
Second screen gaming is the future.
Still hesitant about developing in the future for the only console that fucking comes with a second screen.
Still hesitant about developing in the future for the only console that fucking comes with a second screen.