Should also be getting the report for Europe excluding UK and Germany this week as well.
Game Pass was only starting back then so it was a different market situation. But yeah, it's still a bad start considering box versions of Horizon games sell well.
"which is actually leading to more sales of the game,"Is that it? Because I do remember that interview, and he was clearly just saying word of mouth and trends lead to more sales of games, not that they sell more overall. I don’t mean any offense but why is GAF so retarded when it comes to Phil Spencer? It’s like the only place on the internet like this. I guess maybe twitter too but I don’t use it. Why did I even bother to ask for a quote.
thanks to Game Pass.
Taking about retardation....
this hard requires a special kind of mind indeed.
It selling worst than detective pikachu's second week sales number which means it's likely to be in the triple digit range. That's a disaster anyway you look at it.
But but but Day 1 sub services actually boost sales. Everyone will try this on game pass and be relieved they didn't buy it.
I have no interest in Forza myself, but surely most would play it on Game Pass if they did?
Maybe no one's playing on Game Pass either
On one of the thousand planets you can visit so it can 'just work', you know?
Much less expect that in a current gen Xbox ecosystem where the majority of the consoles sold so far have been digital-only that any first party Xbox game would top the list of boxed games sold. With the digital to physical ratio shifting more to physical every year the fighting over UK boxed charts is becoming meme worthy.
Using GP to damage control was viable before the acquisition. Using that same argument, after Microsoft showcased in court just how value destructive GP is, means you're intentionally arguing in bad faith. We didn't just get a peek behind the GP curtain. Microsoft themselves incinerated the curtain.
""You say, 'Well isn't everyone just going to subscribe for $10 and go play this thing?' But no, gamers find things to play based on what everybody else is playing. What's #1 on Mixer, what's #1 on Twitch, what's my friend's list [saying], what are people saying on Discord, they go everywhere to see. When these games hit something like GamePass with all these players, it instantly raises the awareness.""thanks to Game Pass.
Taking about retardation....
I still remember ROFL'ing watching that scene. Man, I love this film!
Thats the thing a game flops hard physically, it probably flopped hard digitally as well
Out of curiosity, which Wikipedia page did you get that Minecraft Switch number from?TLDR is in bold
Firstly I agree that Forza has not done great, is full of bugs and has not released to a great reception from fans and critics alike so this isn't a post to try and say that Forza has done better than it has, it is more of a post arguing how much weight these boxed charts really carry in the grand scheme of things. <1% relevance...
Boxed charts aren't the most accurate metric.
MS have been pushing people to buy digital for a long time and if that was a success then you would naturally see boxed sales on Xbox drop through the floor. I am not trying to play defence force here just putting across a point of view that is more representative of my own circumstances. My own personal gaming purchase habits would never register on these boxed game charts and judging by the responses in the below thread...
What's your plan if/when both Microsoft and Sony ditch physical games entirely next gen?
Will you be quitting gaming entirely, jump to Nintendo or PC (if you haven't), or just give up and switch to full digital on Xbox or Playstation?www.neogaf.com
It seems that my own habits are not too far away from the average these days. Microsoft were certainly the first console maker to start the push towards digital only and they have also shown the most commitment to making their customers digital back catalogue available on current and future consoles (as well as PC) so it stands to reason that their customers would skew the sales heavily away from boxed whereas both Sony and Nintendo have not given off signals that have been anywhere near as convincing. There is a reason that Playstation store gift cards are so popular (people don't trust Sony with their credit card details), Sony also charged for upgrades from PS4 to PS5 games and are more happy to remaster games than continue supporting them across generations. Nintendo are even worse, forcing people to buy the exact same game time after time on the latest console, dropping support completely for previous generations as soon as possible. More people buy boxed for PS and Nintendo than Xbox.
On the other side of the coin, both Sony and Nintendo have a much larger userbase so you would expect them to have a bigger impact on the sales of a game and when a game is exclusive to Xbox (taking PC out of this as no one buys boxed PC games anyway) it will naturally have a much smaller chance of getting into the charts than an exclusive on the other two systems. Third party games always do better than exclusives anyway and that does show in the charts.
So, Xbox has a much smaller userbase but also that userbase is (not factually as far as i can make out but more than likely) more inclined to buy digitally as well. We don't really know the majority of the factual information needed to fully analyse it as we don't know the split in sales between physical and digital for any of the 3 consoles and we don't get the sales figures from the digital stores either. We don't know the Gamepass numbers, we don't know how many Gamepass subscribers played Forza and we don't know how many of them bought the game or upgraded to the premium edition. But, we can look at data available for other titles.
We can look at Minecraft in the boxed charts. It is the Switch version that remains fairly consistently in the boxed charts even though it was released on Switch 6 years ago. The Switch is not the most popular platform for the game with mobile being easily the biggest platform for it. Minecraft has sold 5 million copies on Switch as of October 2022 (Wikipedia) and has sold more on Switch that both Xbox and Playstation yet, total sales of Minecraft are over 300 million (Minecraft Live 2023). So that means the console that has shifted the most copies of Minecraft still only accounts 1.7% of the total sales. Add to that the boxed sales will only be a fraction of this 1.7% as well (at most 50%). You really only get boxed games for consoles so all in all, boxed sales are nearly irrelevant as a metric for how popular Minecraft is.
If anything I would argue the point that Sony and Nintendo gamers are the most reluctant to move to digital purchases and boxed charts are the biggest proof of this.
Gamepass baby
The UK is by far Microsoft's strongest market outside the US.Uk chart sales don't matter!!! How many times does it have to be said, well maybe that one week that Starfield charted #1 on the UK charts it mattered but every other week it doesn't
Yeah if you follow the references for that 5m figure you can see it's only counting physical sales in Spain/Japan and France sales. There is no known data for any other countries.List of best-selling Nintendo Switch video games - Wikipedia
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You cant compare gamepass to Netflix or Disney other subscription services because Netflix & others don't make profit from their subscribers pass subscription.
This was already proven recently in the string of leaks, I think the split is nore like 70/30 though and cant forget they use series x for xcloud servers
Not saying there's a fault, IJS 75% of "next gen" xbox users have a digital console (series s), so why are you worried about if a game charts physically?
No. No it was not. The only information we got was shipments for a single month. April 2022. Some sites incorrectly reported the 75/25 split as lifetime.
I have no interest in Forza myself, but surely most would play it on Game Pass if they did?
Maybe no one's playing on Game Pass either
Nope just "Forza Motorsport", honestly don't know if this is a next gen reboot or if this is a gaas that they'll just update over the years.
But you have to factor in GP, this is the first Motorsport to ever launch in GP, a lot of people who bought 7 did not have to "buy" this one + more users own the digital console this time around, idk I'll need to see digital sales and concurrent xbox player count (not steam) before i call it a total flop even though we'll probably never see that info considering it's MS
