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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 7 - Sundays on HBO
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SargerusBR
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Technically, isn't Cersei a Baratheon through marriage?
Moff
Member
I can't believe they used "murder" about 20 times in the dialogue between Euron, Jaime and Cersei. I still have ptsd from this. I think he is after Tyrion, but we'll see, I also think he will bring down the wall.
So Sam went to the citadel to remember something Stannis told him already, huh.
Jaime will kill Bran in the Finale with the Valyrian steel dagger, you read it here first.
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So Sam went to the citadel to remember something Stannis told him already, huh.
Jaime will kill Bran in the Finale with the Valyrian steel dagger, you read it here first.
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Nymeria looks small,if that really is her. I just hope she will not resent Arya and tear Ed Sheeran to pieces for her
As per last season's crowning, "Cersei Lannister, First of Her Name".
Edit: Also, given that it's Cersei, I'd say she makes it perfectly clear regularly that she's a lion rather than a stag, especially now that any threat to her within King's Landing ha been blown up.
It's really bloody weird how that word has become so overused over the last season or so. It's said at least 5 times in the season 6 meeting between Dany, Yara, and Theon, too.
Yes
I was surprised by how compelling I found that trio
Seems like a good fit for all of them
Napalm_Frank
Member
I hope there is deeper insight in the future into Arya murdering a bunch of basically innocent people rather than just being a vessel for revenge porn and leaving it at that. Especially when they immediately contrast it with Jon and how he treats Karstarks and Umbers.
Cpt.Underpants
Member
Far too easy for Arya now
the Arya opening was awful. Poisoned fucking wine again, the scene was completely unnescassary, it was just a reminder for the audience that "hey, Arya is totally badass now"
the Hound scene felt forced at first, but I ended liking it after all
I think Euron is a pretty fun character
pretty good episode, nothing remarkable but not disappointing either
the Hound scene felt forced at first, but I ended liking it after all
I think Euron is a pretty fun character
pretty good episode, nothing remarkable but not disappointing either
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
After binging on Binge Mode for a month I already miss wholehearted GoT enthusiasm. That episode fucking ruled.
"Qyburn?? He's not even a maester."
"Qyburn?? He's not even a maester."
ToyMachine228
Member
I didn't catch the Valyrian steel dagger. Where was it?
It was plot functional like 15 minutes later when Jamie brought it up and pointed out they no longer have allies in the Riverlands...
Cpt.Underpants
Member
When Sam was turning the pages of the book he stole from the library
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
Yeah wiping the Freys off the map was one of the biggest things to happen in like 7 seasons lmao
Cpt.Underpants
Member
When Brienne of Tarth and her companions arrive on the Quiet Isle they walk uphill passing a lichyard on the way. There she notices a brother bigger than her struggling to dig Brother Clement's grave. Brother Narbert chides him to be more watchful when some flung soil spatters at their feet. The gravedigger also drops his spade and scratches Dog's ear.
When they meet the Elder Brother, he mentions that their gravedigger knows no rest as many corpses are washing up on the isle's shores.
A little later Brienne and her companions take supper in the Quiet Isle's septry. The novices are tasked with serving and Brienne again notices the limping gravedigger they had encountered on the hill,
GODDAMN. Saw this on r/gameofthrones
okay, I take it back, it wasn't completely pointless. Could have easily handwaved it though, just label them unreliable or useless after Walders death. She killed maybe two dozen people, they still have an army
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
"Why couldn't they have blown up the Death Star off screen? Total waste of time. Just handwave it. How is this important? They just build another one."
The GAF GOT threads are so different to reactions Ive seen online. Full of negativitiy here, while online (social media) they love it.
Lol. The Red Wedding changed the story in GoT. The Freys changed the story direction of GoT (with the help of Tywin).
Lol. The Red Wedding changed the story in GoT. The Freys changed the story direction of GoT (with the help of Tywin).
A house that ruled over basically the entire middle part of Westeros was wiped off the earth. Surely that is relevant to Cersei.
Keep in mind that twice in this episode they laid a map out in front of us with a mind to have leaders conquer bits of it.
frankie_baby
Member
I dont even know what ed sheeren looks like, i spent that scene thinking brilliant they got the this is england kid
I thought it was okay, definitely not a strong start though. Too much Sam. I get it, his life was shitty and he had some vomit inducing experiences, I don't need to feel the same way... Also, Ed Sheeran aside, I didn't like Arya's scenes. They're still trying too hard to make her seem badass, but it feels unearned. On the other hand, the Hound/Berric/Thoros trio was pretty entertaining. The callback on the farmer that the Hound robbed back in Season 4(?) was really good, I loved it.
Also, I didn't expect Jorah....... I'm curious about his storyline and what will he do... He already seems pretty crazy.
Also, I didn't expect Jorah....... I'm curious about his storyline and what will he do... He already seems pretty crazy.
Thoroughly enjoyed the episode. Nothing explosive, but after the last two episodes of S6 the show needed a moment to breath and re-establish the board a little.
As a book reader, Daenerys reaching Dragonstone was something I've been waiting for for a while, and given how important the moment is I think their approach worked. Was especially cool to see the layout a bit better and the throne room there. I did keep expecting someone to jump out at them - a left behind caretaker or Gendry hiding in one of the closets - but being abandoned was fine.
While it is a damn impressive fortress, there wouldn't have been much reason for anyone to sail out to it once they learned Stannis had gone north. They'd have to check what strength was there, then return to take it, then keep sending supplies to maintain it. Taking it doesn't really offer any new advantage in the war (unless you really want dragonglass), so you're looking at a resource pit that's mainly good for projecting naval power, but against who? On top of all that the Lannisters lost most of their ships in the Blackwater, so they likely didn't have enough of a fleet to project any sort of power.
I had no idea who that was, wife instantly recognized him. I thought it worked well - you could head cannon an entire backstory to that little troupe and how they might have had some big pride in their resident singer.
As a book reader, Daenerys reaching Dragonstone was something I've been waiting for for a while, and given how important the moment is I think their approach worked. Was especially cool to see the layout a bit better and the throne room there. I did keep expecting someone to jump out at them - a left behind caretaker or Gendry hiding in one of the closets - but being abandoned was fine.
While it is a damn impressive fortress, there wouldn't have been much reason for anyone to sail out to it once they learned Stannis had gone north. They'd have to check what strength was there, then return to take it, then keep sending supplies to maintain it. Taking it doesn't really offer any new advantage in the war (unless you really want dragonglass), so you're looking at a resource pit that's mainly good for projecting naval power, but against who? On top of all that the Lannisters lost most of their ships in the Blackwater, so they likely didn't have enough of a fleet to project any sort of power.
I had no idea who that was, wife instantly recognized him. I thought it worked well - you could head cannon an entire backstory to that little troupe and how they might have had some big pride in their resident singer.
Atraveller
Banned
An even good start, if this show keeps it up and keeps Dorne to a minimum, this just might be a better season than 6. Sandor and poop montage are highlights.
It's for dramatic effects, but say if there was a token force of Stannis, and they left to join him in the North, who is going to hold it?
I was thinking the same thing. I'm going to assume looking out and seeing mad ships and dragons would probably make me abandon my post.
John Dunbar
correct about everything
for a moment there i thought ed sheeran and his posse were going to try to rape and kill arya and get their throats cut. arya might still murder them since she is a little psycho now.
overall pretty lackluster premier, but that's not surprising since the show has not been good since season 4.
overall pretty lackluster premier, but that's not surprising since the show has not been good since season 4.
Still wouldn't be empty. The women, children and old men would still be there. Bandits would have taken over, nobody is gonna let this huge keep just sit there while they live in a barn for months and months on end.
And yet the viewership and popularity for the show rises for each season it seems.
Moff
Member
but 4 and 6 were a lot better than 2 and 3. If anything, one could say the show has not been good since season 1. or ever.
Atraveller
Banned
I thought it was impressive that they've rebuilt their fleet in such a short time, with the ample woods (lol) of Iron Islands.
But yeah, "best fleet of Westeros" got bested by Stannis at sea, sad!
Ocarina_117
Banned
Watching in a few hours when my dad gets back from work.
Glad to hear impressions are somewhat positive! Competent writing with high production values are all I hope for now. The season 6 finale was a brilliant mess, logical progression of character is a relief.
Glad to hear impressions are somewhat positive! Competent writing with high production values are all I hope for now. The season 6 finale was a brilliant mess, logical progression of character is a relief.
Blergmeister
Member
One possibility for Arya and those Lannister soldiers is that she kills one and takes his place, allowing her to sneak into Kings Landing and the Red Keep. This will be a "twist" in that we will have seen the soldiers a few episodes but not Arya, then bam, she was one of them this whole time! I don't think she will be the one to off Queen Cercei but there is potential for shenanigans.
I laughed at the montage but the cuts felt really I dunno out of place in GoT. A friend of mine genuinely retches when you make that retching noise so looking forward to her reaction to that scene. Ed Sheeran was awful and I only barely recognised him at first. Nothing is sacred from bad cameos.
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I wasn't expecting him either. I imagine he'll end up being healed but mostly covered in greyscale and then go fight for Dany (with a 4+ save) and be dubbed the dragon knight.
Who do you guys think should've been at Dragonstone in your opinion? I thought it was perfectly reasonable to be empty. Stannis took his garrison when he went to war, and Dragonstone is notorious for being hard to supply and can't sustain itself. Castles are cold, damp and empty places, let alone one like Dragonstone. No one will camp there for fun if they can be somewhere else.
Discotheque
Banned
seems like Westeros has no squatters. that would be a dope place to sleep in for a few nights.
Atraveller
Banned
Show Dragonstone had zero smallfolk presence from the very start (no lesser Dragonestone lords either), at the very least it was consistent. ¯\_(ツ
_/¯The people who maintain the castle and who would be of no use whatsoever on the road? Their families? A few guards? It makes no sense at all to abandon an entire castle which is your home just because you're going to... war.
Ocarina_117
Banned
Still to watch the episode so speaking from book knowledge.
Dragonstone is a place of great historical and tactical significance. Stannis launched what was almost a devastating attack on kings landing from dragonstone (he leaves a garrison there in the books). The invasion of westeros was launched from dragonstone. It holds in invaluable location in the east (from where they knew Danny would be coming) to launch a naval attack on KL. Leaving the castle unoccupied is paramount to knowing the flaw in the death star and choosing to ignore it.
Side note, whatever happened to the fleet stannis gave to Jon?
Dragonstone is a place of great historical and tactical significance. Stannis launched what was almost a devastating attack on kings landing from dragonstone (he leaves a garrison there in the books). The invasion of westeros was launched from dragonstone. It holds in invaluable location in the east (from where they knew Danny would be coming) to launch a naval attack on KL. Leaving the castle unoccupied is paramount to knowing the flaw in the death star and choosing to ignore it.
Side note, whatever happened to the fleet stannis gave to Jon?
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
They are going to use it to sail to Dragonstone I assume
grandjedi6
Master of the Google Search
Even worse: why would you send your queen as the first person in to do recon? A squatting bandit could've ended Dany's campaign from the get go.
I thought about Dragonstone, and while I expected it to be occupied at first, it actually makes sense that such a massive fortress would be abandonned as opposed to a much more manageable house/ manor.
Have you guys seen the size of it? How it's surrounded by nothing, no village, no farms... Nada for miles it seems.
Not only would you need an army of servants to do anything in it (cleaning, making food, heck, just carrying one thing from one end of the place to another), just coming inside to see the throne room and leaving outside the gates alone would take the best part of half an hour+ I imagine.
Then you need suplies.
Tons of supplies to feed and care for the ton of people needed to run the place.
Whose going to pay for all this, the people, and the supplies, knowing that while it's perfect as a fortress it seems to suck as a location for commerce or basic access to stuff (much different in that regard to say Winterfell, with its key location for commerce with the North, manageable size, surrounded by farms)?
PS: first thing I thought of with it being deserted was Skyhold in DAI.... Same basic conditions actually (too big, too remote).
Have you guys seen the size of it? How it's surrounded by nothing, no village, no farms... Nada for miles it seems.
Not only would you need an army of servants to do anything in it (cleaning, making food, heck, just carrying one thing from one end of the place to another), just coming inside to see the throne room and leaving outside the gates alone would take the best part of half an hour+ I imagine.
Then you need suplies.
Tons of supplies to feed and care for the ton of people needed to run the place.
Whose going to pay for all this, the people, and the supplies, knowing that while it's perfect as a fortress it seems to suck as a location for commerce or basic access to stuff (much different in that regard to say Winterfell, with its key location for commerce with the North, manageable size, surrounded by farms)?
PS: first thing I thought of with it being deserted was Skyhold in DAI.... Same basic conditions actually (too big, too remote).
The families wouldn't be at the castle. They would be living in the lands.
Hard to say whether people would maintain the thing after Stannis and his forces were completely eradicated. He bought most of his army and why leave a pitiful force to defend an old, dead castle when your plan is to conqeur Winterfell and install yourself there for a season.
Hound scene is by far the standout of the episode. That was the show as its best. Arya's opening was cool, too, BUT WHAT HAPPENED TO EDMURE?? Did she not know he was there and just leave him in the dungeon? Did Arya's accidentally kill her uncle by killing his jailers and letting him starve in a cell. I wasn't as offput by the Ed Sheeran stuff as some, just because I don't immediately recognize his face, but it felt like the sort of thing that would have been a deleted scene on the Blurays if there weren't a cameo in it.
Sam's stuff actually made me uncomfortable with the grossness, but him stealing the keys and books felt like it at least captured the tone of intrigue that exists around the Oldtown plot in the books, and the maester he was with did a good job of basically summing us the Citadel worldview in a few sentences.
Euron... at least felt like a character now? And can maybe grow to be intimidating now that he's free of the signature Greyjoy damp-jacket fashion? I still don't know where they're going with him, and I'm terrified of what they may try take do to establish him as "worse than Ramsay" in the like 15 minutes of screentime he'll have.
Sam's stuff actually made me uncomfortable with the grossness, but him stealing the keys and books felt like it at least captured the tone of intrigue that exists around the Oldtown plot in the books, and the maester he was with did a good job of basically summing us the Citadel worldview in a few sentences.
Euron... at least felt like a character now? And can maybe grow to be intimidating now that he's free of the signature Greyjoy damp-jacket fashion? I still don't know where they're going with him, and I'm terrified of what they may try take do to establish him as "worse than Ramsay" in the like 15 minutes of screentime he'll have.
Ocarina_117
Banned
The strategic position alone makes it worth maintaining.
Robert gave it to stannis as he recognised it's strategic value. Targeryeans occupied it through their reign, housing the next in line there.
Robert gave it to stannis as he recognised it's strategic value. Targeryeans occupied it through their reign, housing the next in line there.