Sounds like a pretty strong endorsement to me. The only thing he really seems to want changed is the addition of some textured surfaces corresponding to a typical A B X Y face-button layout.
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Sounds like a pretty strong endorsement to me. The only thing he really seems to want changed is the addition of some textured surfaces corresponding to a typical A B X Y face-button layout.
Parapraxis
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Name the last fighter you played without using thumbs.
Kageshinzo
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Hence why I said these can easily be mapped to the Steam Controller, as long as the games are doable using KB+M. I don't know what we're disagreeing here.
Intheflorsh
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Love Refenes' nub idea, their presence alone would probably clear up some confusion.
Good to hear.
Tekken would work fine, chief, I don't understand your confusion. There are more than enough inputs. Tekken uses 4 action buttons; two face buttons on the right and the two rear buttons have you covered. Your thumb is doing less work and you can easily hit the many simultaneous presses Tekken requires without using a claw grip. That's not even getting to the four shoulder triggers. Just because it doesn't have four fucking face buttons doesn't mean shit isn't playable.
Now, if you want to get into an argument about whether this will be "good" for Tekken, that's a different story. But it certainly will function just fine and not any worse than a regular controller.
Parapraxis
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I almost knew you would say you use a arcade stick.
Astounding really.
Anyways, this controller looks interesting, I do find it pretty amazing the general reaction here though.
Like I said, had anybody other then Valve put this forward it would not be so highly regarded based on a few first impressions and mock-ups.
That's the one thing you picked up out of that whole article?
I'm excited for the possibility of modifying the layout of buttons. Maybe you could, like, recreate a gamecube layout with a fatter button in the middle, or for simpler games even divide the track pad into just two buttons instead of four.
Osiris
I permanently banned my 6 year old daughter from using the PS4 for mistakenly sending grief reports as it's too hard to watch or talk to her
I don't get it, do you *need* to be pressing at least four buttons with your thumb? Is that the metric for an appropriate controller?
FreddieQuell
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Nice out of context quote!
he said he would pick 360 because he was more familiar with it
Imperfected
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The really funny thing is that it's designed to provide keyboard-equivalent inputs, which in many games (like all MMOs) means you can actually use held-modifiers (CTRL, SHIFT, etc.) to double or even triple the number of possible inputs from a single button. Hell, even the DS3 can do this just fine in FFXIV.
The problem is that people are thinking in terms of console game design - which prioritizes face buttons - rather than PC design, which actually doesn't tend to need that many additional inputs outside of the mouse and WASD + QE and maybe CTRL/SHIFT. The left pad probably completely handles WASD + QE, the triggers handle mouse functions; there isn't actually a huge need for four easy-access face buttons in most PC control setups.
Intheflorsh
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How are QTEs/button prompts going to work with this thing?
FreddieQuell
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Trace an A on the trackpad for awesome.
Holy selective reading, Batman!
Kageshinzo
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Map 360 buttons to the gazillion buttons the controller has. Problem solved.
Parapraxis
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Not generally in fighters no...not at the same time, but you do need to go from one face button to another very fast and often in repetition.
I find it amazing how vehement some people are becoming by the criticism myself and others have regarding the design.
FreddieQuell
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Sorry, what would keep you from moving between buttons quickly?
Kageshinzo
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It's because you and the others here are still thinking that this is a console device when it is not. Unless you've been PC gaming for years now, you won't understand the possibilities this controller is providing.
Osiris
I permanently banned my 6 year old daughter from using the PS4 for mistakenly sending grief reports as it's too hard to watch or talk to her
You are not allowed to dislike things they like, report in at your Valve Re-education Centre for adjustment.
My question is directed at YOU personally; I play fighting games seriously, so I understand what they require, and the steam controller seems perfectly fine to make them as playable as they are on a 360 controller.
Your criticism doesn't make sense. What exactly is holding this controller back from being able to play Tekken. Lacking four face buttons doesn't mean those inputs can't be mapped elsewhere.
Parapraxis
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For the same reason hardcore fighting gamers are almost exclusively using arcade sticks. The layout does not look efficient for "moderate" fighting game players..TO ME.
Is it really that hard to understand?
Because of your stupid button comments when you've got all these buttons that 8 appendages can reach at the same damn TIME!
Parapraxis
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You are not allowed to dislike things they like, report in at your Valve Re-education Centre for adjustment.
It's not about like or dislike. It's about you morons spewing falsities and selective quotes all over the place.
Osiris
I permanently banned my 6 year old daughter from using the PS4 for mistakenly sending grief reports as it's too hard to watch or talk to her
FreddieQuell
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So you're trying to compare this to a fight stick? That makes sense. I don't think and I'm not trying to say this controller is the end all be all input device for every game. I just think it has serious potential to be better than the average 360/ps3 pad we see.
Parapraxis
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But..PERSONALLY that would be absolute shit for a fighting game or a third person action game such as DMC.
I do not want to play them with my pointing or index finger, nor do I feel they would be fast enough.
Big innovations that just might represent the future always are at first. It's about time someone stepped up to the plate to change the controller in a way that is actually meaningful, without gimmicks and just makes sense. I truly hope it works just as they say, as it will be amazing if it does. This is the most 'next gen' thing I have seen lately.
Kageshinzo
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I feel that this is what is happening in this thread:
PC Gamers: "Cool, this looks interesting. A controller that has enough buttons where you can finally map main keyboard functions in. And the right pad looks like it can be a viable option for actual mouse tracking!"
Console Gamers: "B-b-but it doesn't have face buttons!"
PC Gamers: "Cool, this looks interesting. A controller that has enough buttons where you can finally map main keyboard functions in. And the right pad looks like it can be a viable option for actual mouse tracking!"
Console Gamers: "B-b-but it doesn't have face buttons!"
But it pretty much is more efficient... your thumb is moving across less buttons, and simultaneous presses are made easier. Please tell me: how do you input 1+4 or 2+3 when playing Tekken on a normal controller with just your thumb? It's really fucking hard, but the rear buttons on the steam controller make this a lot easier.
Also, you're now talking about relative effectiveness of a controller for a fighting game. That's a different argument. PS3/360 controllers aren't ideal for fighters, either; they aren't designed to be, nor is this.
So, if your overall statement is, 'this doesn't look that great for fighters'--then yea, you're right, and I agree with you. In terms of layout potential, it's probably better than a 360/PS3 controller, and at worst, exactly the same because you can fucking map face buttons to the trackpads.
Osiris
I permanently banned my 6 year old daughter from using the PS4 for mistakenly sending grief reports as it's too hard to watch or talk to her
More ad-homs, if that's all you have you already lost the debate.
You should calm down, you're spitting drool all over your screen.
Parapraxis
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Opinions or discussions which are not falling into your ideological narrative do not make them falsities.
plasticpassion
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Yeah, something like that. It would also help coordinate intelligent, funny, creative, or thoughtful responses to quality posts as the most interesting things would arise.
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