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Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
How many of these were false for the time/year they got posted in ?
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How many of these were false for the time/year they got posted in ?
"We are investing in new things, we signed things just recently that I thought, ‘Hey, from a PR standpoint it would be really easy for me to put a trailer on screen’, but then I know the game is not coming for another two and half or three years, so I didn’t want to do that." - Phil Spencer
I guess he changed his mind
Elder Legend
Banned
I could see Starfield and Hellblade 2 this year. Followed by Awoved for next year with something else.
ByWatterson
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MarkMe2525
Member
I mean, it's possible, but this whole thread is a big ole nothin. I hear all kinds of shit on gaming podcasts. Like always, time will tell.
3liteDragon
Member
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
er .. well I don't know how to feel about that lol
FBeeEye
Banned
MS believes in generations.Sincerely feel for Xbox gamers. Still waiting for X to give it to them.
Building games from the ground up takes time. It was a calculated risk to drop cross Gen cold turkey, but it will pay off in the long run. Once these new games spin up, they each can generate a fast-follow sequel using the same tech.
The Xbox One was a shit show first party-wise and sadly Xbox owners are still paying for it. Then the pandemic added insult to injury.
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
Yep it's paying off greatly, 3 years into the gen and they barely have anything and if they had not bought a major publisher they would have barely anything for this year.I still don't see the benefits nor the incentive for Xbox gamers , they should be doing way better even moreso with all that talk since the reveal of the console.
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
Interesting to hear them talk about Microsoft going after Activision so that Activision can take over Xbox Games Studios and steer that part of the business in the right direction
ChorizoPicozo
Banned
i was going to reply with a bunch of quotes that Phill Spencer has said over the years....and then i realise
i am just going to say....there is a reason why xbox has this aura of incompetence.
Na its about putting unrealistic timelines on xbox teams to cry about studio mismanagement. But leave out other studios like bend released games 6 months before the outer worlds but not a peep. They won't say anything if the last of us 3 and Ghost of tsushima 2 are not released early next year. They released games about 8 months after the outer worlds. If avowed is years late Ghost of tsushima 2 and the last of 3 are late.
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
The difference is these MS projects are not just late, they are massively late after their announcements, with very little to no progress being shown publicly, and it is really hurting Microsoft’s cadence of releases.
Those other projects may get delayed, that’s somewhat normal, but they are still getting significant content released each year
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
The duality of man.
ChiefDada
Gold Member
So if avowed is massively late then sony is no better. We have bend who is even more massively late. ND who is late as is sucker punch. Blue point is starting to run late. That's what 4 miss managed studios using the same standards as Obsidian entertainment is getting. Lets not forget Obsidian entertainment has 2 more new ip releases than bend, ND, sucker punch since thier games combined.
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Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
In the last 10 years, Naughty Dog has released 4 new AAA games, all GOTY winners. The 5th one is expected this year or the next. So 5 AAA games in 11 years.
And that's late?
Hobbygaming
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Hearing that Fable will be like The Witcher 3
Hearing that it just entered full production
Hearing that it just entered full production
Rhazer Fusion
Member
This is why companies shouldn’t unveil games years before they are even in production and this goes for everyone in the industry. All it does is inevitably create disappointment and makes people question a companies competence. I mean we aren’t even getting screenshots, videos or even info for these exclusive games that were announced years ago. Something is going on.
oldergamer
Member
gonna let peeps in on a lil secret, VGC don't have a fucking clue... none of these people that are always claiming to know have a clue. They get information fourth or fifth hand. We will know the same moment they know.
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Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
I have a feeling Beyond Good and Evil 2 isn't close.
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Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
diffusionx
Gold Member
lol Fable was announced 3 years ago, that game should be getting ready to come out not entering full production.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
"But it helps create an illusion that a lot of games are coming soon, which helps us sell consoles on the basis of mere promises, and makes us money!"
abacab driver
Banned
I gotta use this one
Yep! Said it and meant it, because it's true. And you know it's true as well (I know it's fun to pretend..but you have eyes and common sense).
Still waiting to see a 1st party title released that takes advantage of the PS5 (or the Series) hardware that can't be done on old hardware.
Hellblade 2 is the only thing we've seen thus far that is truly current gen. But that wasn't gameplay though, right? Must've been a cutscene, for sure.
balls of snow
Member
Difference is. Sony has yet to announced a game at the advent of the ps5 launch that takes 4 years to show its face. Ms is the one that showed their hand way too early, way way too early in the case of hellblade 2 and everwild. Now they are flaundering.
So what if ND or Sucker Punch takes 5 years a game, at least sony is not desparate enough to official announced the titles they are working on prematurely.
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Team Andromeda
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For me, Forza is the game that needs to come out and can't be pushed. It's 'for me' going to be the game that finally shows off the power of the XBox.
I also can't wait for Contraband and really hope that makes it out this year. Fable I get, but Perfect Dark and Everwild are to me taking the piss
People here tend to overreact.They forget that Playground games had to build an entire new team from scratch and work on a genre they had no experience with.That's a big deal than some people realize.They tried to create a new studio for Perfect dark but it didn't work out so working with another studio will obviously take time.The only question mark here is Everwild.WTF is Rare doing?...They just had their most popular game Sea of thieves.
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Umbasaborne
Banned
Microsoft was stupid to announce these games
remember_spinal
Banned
Imagine trying to sell a new console after the xbox one generation with no games announced?
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Iced Arcade
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Avowed, Perfect Dark and Fable were announced in 2020 lol
Definitely should see something on these games now but the pony dogpile is cringy.
Definitely should see something on these games now but the pony dogpile is cringy.
vaibhavpisal
Member
This makes sense.
Avowed, Hellblade 2 are 2024.
Perfect Dark, Everwild are 2025.
Fable and some other AAA title are 2026.
This is a whole generation worth of output.
Most importantly, all of this is either new IPs or reboot of beloved franchises. So, super exciting.
Avowed, Hellblade 2 are 2024.
Perfect Dark, Everwild are 2025.
Fable and some other AAA title are 2026.
This is a whole generation worth of output.
Most importantly, all of this is either new IPs or reboot of beloved franchises. So, super exciting.
pasterpl
Member
It actually, sort of make sense. ABK being an independent publisher had to keep a tight ship managing multiple studios to make sure they are profitable. With XGS it seems that everyone got in the back of their head that they have got a massive trillion dollar company backing so can take it easy as a delay will not make the company to get in trouble financially.
pasterpl
Member
I think the pipeline is not an issue, issue is when the games that still need years of development are being announced. They fixed that last year showing only games releasing in the next 12 months during their June show.
Xbox has games
Banned
Sure let ms buy activision and all other publishers
vaibhavpisal
Member
How many first party AAA titles Sony released in PS4 generation??
That is the reference.
MS will either match or exceed that.
Elder Legend
Banned
I agree with this statement. No offens to anyone here really, but people have no clue how complicated game development is. Especially when new studios that never existed before have to make a completely new high budget title.
They also bought all of these studios and crated them right before covid happened. Not only does it take a long time to get everything in order for the fresh studios, but covid set back the entire industry years.
Oh and no, don't give me the "but Sony released God of War Ragnarok/Horizon) sequels. These studios were already making these games right after the original ones launched. Sony Santa Monica and Guerilla Games have also been around for decades and don't need any management help. Both of those titles are also cross gen.
Meanwhile, Perfect Dark and Fable for example are purely next gen titles. One studio also never made action rpg games. And the other is a completely fresh studio that never existed.
Ninja Theory were also independent and were almost bankrupt until Microsoft bought them. It's the first time for them were now they are under a new management and essentially unlimited budget.
Again, people have no clue how any of this works. They just make assumptions and think without logic. Just my 2 cents. Yes, it sucks waiting, but it what it is and no thanks but I rather wait then have a repeat of Cyberpunk 2077.
Besides, 2023 is already off to a great start with so many amazing games to play. These games will be here before you know it simply because time flies. Enjoy gaming and savor as much as you can, were not getting any younger. Just enjoy your life.
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Robb
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i am not the one making these headlines:
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
So Perfect Dark and Fable should be excused because they were new teams?
But then what about Everwild (Rare), State of Decay 3 (Undead Labs), Avowed (Obsidian), Compulsion Games' new game, Coalition's next game? None of those were new studios and new teams.
abacab driver
Banned
Outerworlds 2 as well.
Forza Motorsport reboot was 2020 too. So was state Of Decay 3.
Shit, Redfall was announced 2021 (along with Contraband).
HiFi Rush shadowdropped.
Nevermind these trolls.
Their crown jewel TLOU2 came out 4 years after it was announced (with its multiplayer mode axed)..never heard a peep about it.
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Ar¢tos
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What does that has to do with what he said?Yep! Said it and meant it, because it's true. And you know it's true as well (I know it's fun to pretend..but you have eyes and common sense).
Still waiting to see a 1st party title released that takes advantage of the PS5 (or the Series) hardware that can't be done on old hardware.
Hellblade 2 is the only thing we've seen thus far that is truly current gen. But that wasn't gameplay though, right? Must've been a cutscene, for sure.
He said that Sony announced and released games after those MS games were announced, and you answer that they are basically ps4 games?
Crossgen games have shorter development times because magic? Or the weather conditions?
Banjo64
cumsessed
With twice the studios? Whoopdedoo.
Dr. Suchong
Member
Microsoft should release some sort of "Extra thumbs" peripheral, because I'm running out of ones to twiddle.
Also, oxygen tanks because I'm almost hyperventilating from the constant sighing.
Also, oxygen tanks because I'm almost hyperventilating from the constant sighing.
pasterpl
Member
In the last 10 years, Naughty Dog has released 4 new AAA games, all GOTY winners. The 5th one is expected this year or the next. So 5 AAA games in 11 years.
And that's late?
Playground released 5 Forza Horizon games in the past 10 years (game every 2 years), we have got 5 gears of war game in the last 16 years (game every approx 3 years), both critically acclaimed series with multiple awards.
Sony Santa Monica took sweet 8 years between God Of War 3 and God Of War 2018. Polyphony is notorious for taking 5-7 years to develop the next GT game and next instalment is never revolutionary, Sucker punch took 6 years to release Ghosts of Tsushima after their last game etc. based on this should we say that Sony cannot manage their studios?