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VGLeaks Durango specs: x64 8-core CPU @1.6GHz, 8GB DDR3 + 32MB ESRAM, 50GB 6x BD...
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360 has a CPU that is faster per-core than Xbox.
Durango has a CPU that is (at least in some aspects) significantly slower per-core than 360.
You can't realistically parallelize the realtime emulation of a single core.
And even so, 360 didn't really do emulation.
It's not a 50% gap for the whole system though. I know it's easier for people to see these systems as a sum of their parts, but things don't work that way.
That either depends on the hour you ask or the person's allegiance. =p
What they did makes sense with how a console life cycle plays out. Sony did the same last gen with the ps2 and it work great for them.
I know us as gamers hate hearing this, but when you're 4 years into a console's life cycle, the core gamers are not the focus of these companies. When the PS3 drops down to $200, and is viewed as having a mass market price point, you can bet they would have dropped down the core titles too and filled the gap with more Wonderbook type titles. Of course this will happen regardless now because their focus will shift over to the PS4, but hopefully you get my point.
Can Crusher
Banned
I know you have a theory, I've read it. I also think it's possible, but why say it as if you know anything?
You don't know man.
I was just about to mention that
At this rate i certainly hope their are some major specialisations for Orbis. Maybe an ARM chip in there, or a cell chip or perhaps both
Based on the information we have, PS4.
There are apparently 'other' things though which aren't yet known for both Orbison and Django.
Orbis: SSJ2 Gohan
Durango: Super Perfect Cell (post self-destruction)
WiiU: Imperfect Cell
something fishy
Member
I feel much the same, I am much more likely to stay pc this gen with all these rumours.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
I think the whole thing would make more sense if ESRAM was larger. 32MB is enough to hold 1080p buffer with MSAA and not much else as far as I can see.
50% is not exactly small. That could be a difference between being able to run something at 60FPS, vs. having to lock it down to 30. I kind of expect MS to upgrade GPU months before launch, just like they did with X360. There also doesn't sound like there'll be just 'slightly' more bandwidth, but that of course depends on how fast GDDR5 Sony ends up using.
KennyLinder
Member
Enough for 1080p without having to do the tiling technique, yes.
BigDaddyFatSack
Banned
It's not going to have 8gb of ram. In the developer's box, probably. Consumer version will have 4gb instead.
Punchpudding
Member
Funny, I think I'll always have a PC with me so most powerful doesn't matter as much to me. Specs sound well rounded so far and I think now, when it comes to Durango, I want to hear about those OS features and game lineup more than anything else.
Pagusas
Elden Member
source? Everything we've heard so far says otherwise.
phosphor112
Banned
So the Wizard Jizz is just for making it more of a media box? I mean... Special Sauce.
Also, how do you get 170 GB/s parallel bandwidth? Simply adding the two together doesn't work that way, does it??
Also, how do you get 170 GB/s parallel bandwidth? Simply adding the two together doesn't work that way, does it??
City of Dis
Member
If Durango is appreciably less powerful than Orbis, will multiplatform games suffer because they're built to the lowest common denominator, or will the Orbis version look noticeably better, similar to how current PC games look miles ahead of their console counterparts?
Boss Man
Member
Hahaha this is perfect.
Proelite
Member
I think to developers it's the same as have 8GB of ram with 170 GB/ bandwith.
best one yet lol
Can Crusher
Banned
Sorry I don't believe that. Not possible.
Naw. Still think game devs will be playing with 5 minumum and maybe 6.
hahahahahaha ROFL!
Platform Parity.
Quite simply, neither console manufacturer will allow a game on their platform to look significantly worse than the other.
eso76
Member
It's 12GB in devkits
iamvin22
Industry Verified
fixed
Previous deve boxes were rumoured to have 12GB, which the additional 4 being for dev purposes.
lwilliams3
Member
So, this is what you were referring to when you stated that Orbis and Durango are not "GPU-centered." Sounds like it could make some things more complicated in a programmer's perspective, so it will be interesting to get more information on this topic.
Xenon
Member
Extra sparks. Lots and lots of extra sparks!
iamvin22
Industry Verified
this is true.
iceatcs
Junior Member
I think there has some confusion in the forum which we have so so many questions of who has the strongest. Since that we have many rumours that MS has start developing next gen way before than Sony. And sudden the paperwork spec show Orbis has some advantage to the most of eyes, fact or not, doesnt matter.
From what i can gather it wouldn't need to be larger. Theoretical peak bandwidth means nothing if your average is low. With these data move engines you could literally be pushing for 100% bandwidth efficiency at times pushing your average way up.
To pull an analogy out of my thumb - i'd rather have a salary of 10K a month consistently and easily than have one that requires bending over backwards to get to 20k with very little chance of keeping it there and ending up with an average lower than 10k in the end. Gives me time to focus on "other things" as well
Wouldn't that depend on how fast can data that is not on the 32 MB be moved to it? I mean 32 MB is no a lot and moving from the 8 GB or worse the Disc would slow things, no?
You're still bottle necked by the size of the ESRAM no matter how fast it may be. Devs are only going to be dropping in specific stuff onto ESRAM anyway. it'd be different if they could offload more resources, but 32MB isn't all big in comparison.
No. Not at all. Regardless of how much insider information you have, that's simply not the case.
phosphor112
Banned
Lol? How? You don't add bandwidths together like that. At least I don't think so.
It's the secret sauce,mang.
Now you're just trolling the MS fans in the thread
Although I'd admit that the 8 cores (dual threaded) Intel CPU used to emulate the full power of the AMD Jaguar cores were a nice one too LOL.
eso76
Member
What ?
Hey I pulled that out of my ass, it was just a lucky guess guys, I'm no insider, stay away from me ! !
And the credibility is diminished....
THE:MILKMAN
Member
One thing that confuses me is that the insiders are saying the devs are really happy with tools and how all the chips and eSRAM and special sauces work together ect.....
Yet I was told a few days ago that no dev has any of the final hardware in the kits. So I can only conclude that the "confidence" in the Durango is entirely/mostly paper based?
Yet I was told a few days ago that no dev has any of the final hardware in the kits. So I can only conclude that the "confidence" in the Durango is entirely/mostly paper based?
Can Crusher
Banned
What if Wii U is more powerful than both? And Nintendo decides to bump up the price when they release?
We would all be crying we didn't get one now.
nhlducks35
Member
Keep dreaming
phosphor112
Banned
Officially Wizard Jizz, because a Kinect echo cancellation chip and media encoder are balls and will contribute nothing to rendering a game.
I have zero insider information and I've been saying from the start, MS is going media route. It's clear the game development path isn't right for them.
"Look our console has GTA6 AND media/DVR functions! Graphics aren't a concern for them.