Can Crusher
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I wanted to be excited about talking videos like Karak, but that's just Corrinne Yu in an interview!
Kidding of course, will check it out.
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I wanted to be excited about talking videos like Karak, but that's just Corrinne Yu in an interview!
Kidding of course, will check it out.
systemfehler
Member
Could be a MicroBlaze from Xilinx aswell. FPGA SoftCore which can be updated over time to adapt to the needs when after Kinect 2.0 the cloud or immersion revolution is launching. The 5-stage pipeline can deliever a lot of DMIPS (1.30 DMIPs/MHz). Combined with Virtex-7 modules that might help a lot...
Tripp Daily
Member
Aegis had implied that Microsoft had invested heavily into making sure that the cores were extremely efficient. Which indicates to me (part of the extremely uninformed and no where near tech smart group) that they have chosen to use older "souped up" parts in lieu of newer hardware.
What are the benefits of doing this from a business point-of-view?
Reduced manufacturing Cost? Stability/Reliability of the system? Or do we think this is purely a system production move?
What are the benefits of doing this from a business point-of-view?
Reduced manufacturing Cost? Stability/Reliability of the system? Or do we think this is purely a system production move?
nhlducks35
Member
Wii U
PS4.
Once again until we know the extent to which Durango's GPU has been customized and until we know the function of these Data Move Engines, its too early to say.
0% chance through emulation, they would have to include the SOC from the 360 to achieve BC.
I'm beginning to think this system of ["data movers" - DDR3 - eSRAM] can actually achieve more efficient bandwidth ,and by that token GPU usage, than simple GDDR5 and a more standard GPU setup even if the theoretical peak is lower. Depending on the bus speed/size of course. He might be right in that that could more than overcome the gap
Not only will his setup not be obselete, it will be without a doubt more powerful then what is going into the next Xbox.
A) The amount of cores make little different when the architecture is the CPU is not as good. Sandybridge/Ivybrdige destroy anything AMD offers, regardless of if it's 6 cores or what not. This will be no different. AMD does not have the capability of making anything on the level of Intel's last two CPU's.
B) 8gb of ram is once again, good for a gaming PC, but for little money you can get 16 or more gigs or very high performance ram.
C) I doubt, by far, that the card going into the "720" will compete with cards like ther 670/680. They get way to hot, and do not have the reliability needed for consoles.
D) Sometime in the spring you have Haswell launching with DDR4, new socket and tons of new things.
This isn't to say the spec's are not amazing for a console. Console games are often far more optimized then those on PC. The specs shown here are amazing for a console, and will be able to provide mind blowing results in games. I mean, the current consoles are working with hardware so obsolete I wouldn't use it as my home server as I could get better for less money. So this is a gigantic leap.
Pagusas
Elden Member
There has been a ton of talk about the CPU, 8 AMD Jaguar cores, very power efficient and run 2 threads each.
PopcornMegaphone
Banned
Nah.
Can Crusher
Banned
Jaguar are single threaded. If MS/AMD have modified it to support 2 threads per core, more changes might have been made.
eso76
Member
Slayer-33
Liverpool-2
Currently, no, since there is no legacy cores detailed. With the switch to x86 from x64 which the 360 is/was, it would either require an emulator or an onboard legacy core (can't think of the name of the 360 core). The same will go for Sony which will have the harder time emulating the Cell processor and the way it runs.
clutch.as.it.gets.
Member
I´m just disappointed with what MS is doing since 2009 and had hoped they would find the road again.
So far it seems it´s not happening (for me), and yes, i think the newest rumors are legit. I´m getting older and my time for gaming is getting sparser and sparser... so one console is enough, and i will go with the one that will give me the best versions, like i always did. I don`t care for brand loyalty and pick selfishly the machine with the best specs... and going with what we know, it´s Orbis.
And i'm not a believer of the special juice, that make the Durango so much better than the specs indicates (i see it more as viral marketing).
tinfoilhatman
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Umm I call bullshit on this, someone please feel free to explain to me why I"m mistaken
360 can emulate the vast majority of popular Xbox1 games with almost ZERO planning ahead of time and VASTLY different hardware and Nvidia patent issues.
720 will be closer to 360 than 360 was to Xbox(GPU MUCH closer).........software emulation should almost certainly be VERY achievable.
DaSorcerer7
Member
Forza 5 confirmed!!!
They're single threaded.
Slayer-33
Liverpool-2
ALL OVER MY BODY.
NoLootBoxDev
Member
Is there any special sauce for the PS4?
Clay Davis
Member
whichever has the more talented first party studios because they are the only ones that will be able to tap the full power of either machine.
the gen it's clearly been sony but microsoft have invested heavily in first party and some of that investment showed with halo 4, so it's anyone's game.
A person in the know I spoke with said the diagram is missing a cross-buffer between the North Bridge, Data Move Engine, and DDR3. This cross-buffer adds an extra vertex layer to the GPU, essentially doubling the throughput of the ESRAM. This innovative feature is a virtualization, so to speak, of trans-core communication.
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That's exactly what i've been alluding to. Essentially we're missing a few arrows in the diagram
It doesn't work like that. 360 was a lot faster in a straight line than the mobile celeron in the Xbox. This console cannot hope to brute force the power PC instruction set.
velociraptor
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Dreamcast 2
I don't think he was being very serious.
dragonelite
Member
wizard jizz?
Can Crusher
Banned
Fixed for accuracy
eso76
Member
I have no idea what this means but it sounds good
Disagree about the main memory. This is more like 8GB on your GPU, otherwise you're going across the slow PCI bus
The 720 needs to have 2 GPUs right? The main 720 sku having both GPUs and the low cost download only sku having just one.
VICTORY!!
I hear ya. Feel same way lol
Zuhzuhzombie!!
Member
One a page.
tinfoilhatman
all of my posts are my avatar
The same was said(by many) about the about 360 emulating Xbox yet here we are today, none of these systems are\were CPU constrained(for the most part), it was all about the GPU......in most cases an 8-core should be able to replicate the work achieved by the old 3 core 360 CPU(yes I know their not apples to apples) and some of that work may now be offloaded to the GPU.
Were not talking "emulation" as most people understand it(ie MAME) it will be handled by DirectX.....again I could be mistaken but I would be shocked if MS needed any major hardware additions to emulate 360 arcade games, a software recompile at best should be all thats required.
Sorry I should have specified arcade\downloadable games no disk based games.
I'm not certain either. I'm just speculating but it's the only way it would make any sense that the data move engine assists the GPU. Has to happen either directly or via the eSRAM or perhaps even both at the same time
Ok i'm being ridiculed...
JonathanPower
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googleplex
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It seems like there's more then, "slightly more" bandwidth advantage in the PS4's favor. Time will tell I guess.
Proelite
Member
Of course there is.
Her breasts are quite big.