eso76
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what would the equivalent of x360 gpu do with battlefield 3 though ?
also, is there a chance everything here is on a single die and how much would that influence performance ?
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what would the equivalent of x360 gpu do with battlefield 3 though ?
also, is there a chance everything here is on a single die and how much would that influence performance ?
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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1280x704, 30fps at low settings, with a few details set to medium settings. That's what it does on console.
for PS3 and Vita I haven't had to care. Sony perhaps don't get the sales they'd like but from my view are still investing in interesting games. That makes me happy which is what I want mainly
I can't stand anything below 60fps on PC, but a stable 30fps on consoles isn't too bad because you're not sitting as close and more importantly, you're not moving the view as fast with a controller.
That's not to say I don't prefer 60fps anyway but you know, I'm setting my expectations. ;-)
I still believe more devs will push for 60fps though. Just not around launch.
for PS3 and Vita I haven't had to care. Sony perhaps don't get the sales they'd like but from my view are still investing in interesting games. That makes me happy which is what I want mainly
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shinra-bansho
Member
Devs will target 720p30 in favor of more eye-candy.
The commentary I've read, however, is that if the secret jizz isn't all it's cracked up to be and devs begin with a target of the lowest common multiplatform denominator (i.e. PS4's RAM amount, XBX3's processing power) it shouldn't take much for devs to take advantage of the PS4's additional bandwidth and processing power to up the frame-rate.
SneakyStephan
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for PS3 and Vita I haven't had to care. Sony perhaps don't get the sales they'd like but from my view are still investing in interesting games. That makes me happy which is what I want mainly
I present to you: a gamer.
Something you should all aspire to next time you bring up sales or marketing wars.
Er.. Its not like MS IP's set the world on fire... Anyway all this is getting off topic.
Ardenyal
Member
Except early rumours suggest Dubongo is not a dedicated gaming console but an all-in-one solution.
My guess would be the other way around. Start off 60fps with decent looking games but as you go further into the generation, I suspect developers will want to push out more fancy effects and sacrifice framerate.
grimshawish
Banned
People never prepare. The annual brands should be good for resolution/fps next year at least.
Everyone else will be looking to compete on visuals.
Heh. This is an incredibly good point.
kittoo
Cretinously credulous
I personally actually want devs to target 30fps. Because fps is a problem I can solve by getting a more powerful PC. I will get 60FPS on PC for the same game. But if devs use lower res textures, bad shadow solution and lower quality assets etc, that is not a problem I can solve on PCs. So I would rather have them target 30FPS on consoles.
It's a tempting thought to me as well. I don't want to play multiplatform games on the Durango if the Orbis versions have significantly better graphics.
Can you imagine the meltdown if a multiplatform game would run at 60 on PS4 and 30 on X3?
Now imagine the other way around...
Hilarious times ahead!
Boss Man
Member
OrbitingCow
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Oh, diminishing returns haha. As in that juddery seizure inducing 30fps is GREAT and prettier graphics make the seizure better? I'm not following.
I think you will be surprised at how many devs are doing 60fps next gen.
OrbitingCow
Banned
Exactly man. I can't fucking handle it anymore. Seriously, I would love for anybody to start gaming on 60fps games with tons of AA and then come back to the consoles and act like everything is all fine and dandy.
Are there any other specs expected then those Eurogamer/DF specs?
Durango specs were based on those early rumored specs...
I really dont think its going to happen. Both machines are capable enough to run at 60.I dont see a situation where Orbis is locked at 60 and X3 is not.
TheAmazingXemo
Member
What about that leaked Xbox roadmap document from last year? All the specs in the world won't really matter once everything goes to cloud gaming. Do you think it's possible MS is putting more into things like HDMI in and the more advanced Kinect, and less on pure hardware in order to give people just enough of a decent Next Gen experience to tide them over until they roll out cloud gaming?
LukasTaves
Member
It has happened once this generation, hasn't it? I think Madden 07 or 08...
eso76
Member
i mean in a pc..
How would a radeon 1800xt run battlefield 3 to get things in perspective ?
Boss Man
Member
I don't think anything different is expected, maybe more details though. Plus, we're not totally sure that they won't be different. I think most people are expecting a little more info on what we already know, and at that point (with a couple of reliable sources saying the same thing in different words) we can be comfortable with what's inside of both Orbis and Durango.
It's exciting for confirmation + more info.
Due to EA's laziness + Poor (early) PS3 tools documentation.
The other was Bayonetta.
Tiago from Crytek has a NDA bow & arrow pointed to his head.
I don't really understand how this proposed card, which is by all accounts more powerful than the GTX 580 my brother uses (is that correct?), can't handle 60fps. My brother does, and he's running an insane image quality on high settings. Factor in that DICE can tune to an exact specification, and extract as much power out of that specific setup, and I'd be infuriated, bordering on boycott territory, if Battlefield 4's a launch title running at 30fps.
No excuse, really. The engine's capable.
Psychotext
Member
The products haven't even been announced yet... you might want to wait for that before looking for developer comments.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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It won't run it. It doesn't even meet the minimum requirement. If it were forced to run it i.e. somehow BF3 says "Fuck it. I don't care about minimum requirements", it'll run at settings way lower than console version. Enjoy the slideshow.
Exactly.
A well known developer with close relations to Microsoft isn't going to publicly comment on unfinalised, leaked specifications. Privately, anonymously, however...
Has nothing to do with it. Yeah these consoles could target 60fps for last gen engines.
With new consoles come newer APIs and a higher graphical ceiling. On consoles you target 60fps or target 30fps for more visual fidelity.
PCs when you have power to afford it, takes 30fps games and brute forces them in a higher framerate.
Indeed. Didn't a Crytek dev get fired for mentioning a Durango event on Twitter a while back?
alexandros
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Don't know about Bf3 but the X1950 pro can run Crysis 2 roughly the same as the 360.
Gemüsepizza
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Still works at Crytek according to his Linkedin profile:
http://de.linkedin.com/pub/sean-tracy/10/662/944
phosphor112
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Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
As crazy as it sounds, BF3 minimum requirement is higher than Crysis 2.
eso76
Member
no, i don't want to wait
i thought it would be ok for them to give their pov on what's been leaked, since it's now public info anyway..
Of course i wouldn't expect them to hint these specs are missing something or wrong or anything, just give us their opinion on what we know, pretend this is final hardware and tell us what think they could achieve with it.
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
Crytek? but I thought Microsoft were making a set top box with no games?
alexandros
Banned
I'm sure it is, but BF3 is a special case as its engine is practically cross-generational. Of course the same could be said for Cryengine 3, but Crysis 2 was a DX9 game at launch.
What if this Data Move Engine is just a fancy name for a video upscaler? All games will be rendered ion 720p30 and then magically upscaled to 1080p60fps [Force Unleashed 2 tech]....
maybe it adds frames and makes 30fps into fake 60....
As well it should be.
They are making Ryse which is a kinect game so it might as well be not a game. Lol.
Crytek working on some browser games confirmed?
I think it'll end up being a hybrid controller+Kinect game. Microsoft doesn't seem to be obsessed with Kinect only games anymore.
It's as much of a Kinect game as Forza 4 was...
lol. I know I was just kidding.