Yeah, I want to echo this sentiment. Where has this woke/SJW stuff come from?The hell is woke/sjw/soy about any of this? lol
It looks corny to me, but so are the old games and I loved them.
I honestly just don't care that much as long as missions are fun and the world is cool; I'm a cut-scene skipper anyways.
That is the weird part; Saint's Row has always been pretty diverse since the first game, so the people trying to peg the backlash squarely on "bigoted incels" are just showing their true colors and what they want to happen so they can politicize it for their own purposes.
I'm not saying there aren't some people coming into it from that angle; sadly since all this culture war shit has started there's been a creep of highly politicized people on both sides sneaking in and using the medium as a way to preach their own crap, so I wouldn't be surprised if there are some alt-right, extreme anti-SJW types who have no history with the IP (and probably don't even play games that much) ginning up the usual "woke", "diversity = bad!", "get woke go broke" talking points.
But, that's not what the vast majority of the backlash seems to be about. It's literally over what many are perceiving as a neutering of the game's image and corporate-like redesign trying to get in touch with the Fortnite-type crowd. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but they may've tipped too far into that while not sticking close enough to the series' established visual identity or tone.
Of course Volition can't accept that because it'd mean having to bear the burden of responsibility in maybe missing the mark with their core fanbase, and it's always easier for these companies to shift the blame to supposed 'istaphobes being bigots who don't understand their vision due to hate.
Please keep this shit away from Game Pass I’d rather just wait for Starfield.Honestly nobody was asking for a new Saints Row.
This new game should have another name...they are just using SR name for marketing
A new firsth day Gamepass contender has born
Not really disagreeing, just playing off what you said. I think it sucks that games have to be made for some large worldly demographic anyway. I wish everyone would stick to their true artistic vision and say 'damn the sales stats and damn the trends.' I don't want a Chinese, European, etc video game to alter itself for some sense of what the general US audience is. I want that unique perspective from another historic and cultural background, you know? And if that's bad business, then maybe international-sized video game companies aren't the dream.What I don't understand is there isn't anyone at the company pointing out that a woke hipster game will get great reviews from other woke hipesters, but the world is a lot bigger than that and wokeness is mostly a US phenomenon. Gamers in Eastern Europe, South America, the Middle East and Asia will look at the trailer with different eyes. That global audience is less likely to buy US games if they increasingly cater to a woke US hipsters. The foreign market couldn't give a rat's ass about female representation and/or the importance of having butch women and effeminate gay men in games, they see those elements as huge turn offs.
That's a winning strategy right there.
I'm struggling to see what is so woke with the game? Especially woke enough to spit the vitriol seen here? Does having non white characters mean woke now? I don't get it.
Do you people realize you're acting like the bizarro of the the woke crowd you hate so much? Constantly picking apart everything and getting offended by wokeness, phantom or real.
This is actually embarrassing. Why the hell is the person on this account so defensive? If you believe in your product then its quality will speak for itself.
That's a big strawman, Saints Row was already diverse. No one is mad about there being nonwhite characters in SR, something that's always been there.
Look at what the producers are saying, look at the aesthetics of the characters, and the way they've been presented. It's obvious who this is meant to appeal to.
Pointing out there that there's something you don't like being added to something you do like is not bizarre behavior, nor is it rare or specific to one group.
It's not a strawman, it's my best educated guess cause I can't figure out what the woke whining nonsense is about. Honestly, it just sounds like a bunch of self entitled bellywching cause a game isn't being exactly what you want it to be.
Clearly it isn't.
And yet here you are, still not providing any evidence of this evil woke sjw boogeyman you're all screeching about in this game that you've extrapolated from a few minutes of gameplay and a cgi trailer.
This is disingenuous as fuck. The characters are straight up Reddit material. The idea that SR fans are outraged over nothing is nonsense. And of course you don’t get it, that would require being self-aware.I'm struggling to see what is so woke with the game? Especially woke enough to spit the vitriol seen here? Does having non white characters mean woke now? I don't get it.
Do you people realize you're acting like the bizarro of the the woke crowd you hate so much? Constantly picking apart everything and getting offended by wokeness, phantom or real. It's bizarre behavior.
We literally already have press releases, interviews, and statements from the producers about the content of the game being being more toned down and meant to appeal to modern audiences, descriptions of the characters, what they like and their personalities.
We have plenty of visuals showing us exactly what they mean too. As I said, your guess isn't very educated.
Trying to make it about "non-white characters" being the focus is moronic, given the franchise and its history. Anyone that likes SR isn't going to give a fuck about that.
Yeah, keep on playing those games that suits you.I wasn't trying to make it anything. I explained myself clearly, it was my best guess as I can't see this uber woke shit you people are losing sleep over. Whatevs man I'll enjoy videogames, including this one more than likely, you keep fighting the good fight against those gosh darned "wokes".
I wasn't trying to make it anything. I explained myself clearly, it was my best guess as I can't see this uber woke shit you people are losing sleep over. Whatevs man I'll enjoy videogames, including this one more than likely, you keep fighting the good fight against those gosh darned "wokes".
Well, no one can't deny that everyone wants to copy Fortnite in hopes of recreating its success and the money that it makes. Sadly, we live in a horrible age of video games right now. It's like how in the PS3/360 era every FPS wanted to be Call of Duty and ruined Killzone franchise in the processToo much fortnite energy in the trailer from what i've read
Oh, how I love watching people bounce between “developers should be free to create their vision” and “developers should cater to my vision.”
I'm 48 I grew up with Atari, then NES, SMS etc I still play games and most people I know my age are still gamers as well, the average console gamer again is 35 that's all I looked up I didn't look up PC or mobile gamers but when it comes to consoles it's 35 not people in their 20's. I am sure there are plenty of gamers in their 20's but I think a lot of them still play on a switch or go with mobile stuff.Well I'm over 35 and am definitely a millennial. I can relate some with Gen X but they're a little before my time in most things Gen X. My class was definitely the ones who kicked off the Millennial "age" as we soared through learning HTML, sending email, using the internet to do research papers, and such. We were the first ones to sign up for MySpace and the first ones to mock it as we left in droves for some year book sounding thing called Facebook. We quickly adapted from copying music CDs to ripping mp3's from them for sharing and downloading. We were graduating college at the height of the recession, working crazy hours as newly minted graduates-turned-interns, and basically working hard for pennies while our boomer bosses and parents got rich or richer.
I would be shocked if I saw sales data proving that Millennials don't make up the largest percentage of people buying games. It can't be Zoomers, and the earliest of Gen X probably isn't as interested in games as the late Gen X'ers who basically got to play any and all NES and SNES/Genesis games they wanted.
Both can be true when it depends on whether it's a pre-existing IP or not. If this was called anything but Saints Row, it would've received less hate.Oh, how I love watching people bounce between “developers should be free to create their vision” and “developers should cater to my vision.”
That’s a yikes from me dawg.
That's a winning strategy right there.
Plenty, but none of us are a spokesperson for a game development studioThere are a few with that attitude on this forum to be fair
Worked great for EA's Battlefield VBasically telling your fans to fuck off... Sheer hubris.
Maybe what we’re seeing here is something of a career move for people on the team?
Even Battlefield which has a large amount of players told EA to fuck off. Players still bought the game though because it's a well known franchise and that's gonna happen.Worked great for EA's Battlefield V
There's been gameplay footage shown, a bunch of quick cuts to try to obfuscate how dated the game looks graphically.Even Battlefield which has a large amount of players told EA to fuck off. Players still bought the game though because it's a well known franchise and that's gonna happen.
Saints Row though has very few loyal fans who are telling the devs to fuck off and then what are you left with? A game thats less badass and is probably going to look worse than GTAV which again is going to get a rerelease soon.
I would say wait for Gameplay footage but if that cgi art is even the best the game can look they're in trouble.
I just don't understand it. They're going to be in direct competition to GTAV again and instead of trying to gather some players from GTAV or fans of the previous saints row games..There's been gameplay footage shown, a bunch of quick cuts to try to obfuscate how dated the game looks graphically.
not sure what's woke about the game thus far except for the absence of a white guy in the group.At some point the industry has to inevitably realize that these TikToking zoomer sjw pandering games are nothing but complete failures.
They're going to have to accept at some point that their majority audience is not the bleeding heart social justice warriors that they want it to be.
With every giant "woke" failure, we move closer to that day. It just sucks that many of our favorite franchises have to be sacrificed.