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WaPo: A black blues musician has a unique hobby: Befriending white supremacists
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Princess Carl
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Only you could be so fucking stupid to not understand context.
Zen_Arcade
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I understand why. I also understand that people jumped on it and started whining before anyone here even said anything anyone in here is whining about.
Call it a hot take if you want, but it's clearly the truth.
Like I said, I understand the context, but no one in here even did anything to provide the context people are complaining about before they started complaining.
Lightning_Roller
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bobbychalkers
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The maddening thing about the bolded is that it answers its own question: They're the least likely to he discriminated against, so they have no compulsion to do everything they can to stop it. If the roles were reversed, you bet your ass they would be fighting to their dying breadth to end their oppression.
It's the lack of empathy that is literally and figuratively killing my people. And when the hatred that oppressed us boils over, and violence erupts like in Charlotte, we get "feel good," stories like this, and 99% of people miss the implied subtext that the onus should be on black people to end racism, and that if they'd just reach out to the people that don't even see them as human beings, things would have been solved a long time ago.
I can appreciate what this guy is doing. Thing is, there are over 300 million people in the United States. Over 70% of them are white. He'd have to befriend a few million racists to begin to make a dent, and even then, those people more than likely only see HIM as "one of the good ones." I guarantee that courtesy and invitations to dinner doesn't extend to the millions of other black people in this country. As soon as a FOX news segment highlights black looters at the next riot, they'll slip back into old habits. They always do.
Minorities need white allies. Period. Things aren't going to change until angry Facebook posts about ending bigotry and hatred go beyond just words, but reasonable action. And reasonable action taken by white allies.
Lol, what?
This is drivel. "I know what these people knew before they knew it, and know they didn't know anything!"
This thread comes up EVERY 6 months or so. It seems like you're the one with no context.
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Princess Carl
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Massive Duck. C.M.
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This is the third thread about this man in recent history, not to mention countless mentions of him in other threads regarding protesting and dealing with white supremacists.
If you want to pretend there's not an ongoing conversation to make yourself feel smarter than other posters then fine, but don't be surprised when called out.
Princess Carl
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Don't even give him that, because he was clearly talking out of his ass.
Zen_Arcade
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How is it drivel? Someone posted a nice story about a man fighting bigotry and your first instinct was to bitch and moan. You quite literally immediately did what I posted happened.
If anything is drivel, it's the nonsense you have in quotation marks up there, which is so far off from what I said that I question your reading comprehension. I didn't claim I predicted anyone doing anything or that I knew what people were going to say before they said it. Ironically, that would be the behavior shown by everyone preemptively complaining about "Both sides" people before anyone said anything like that. I made an observation about what already happened.
So? Not everyone is on here all the time, sorry you already know a bunch of stories that have been posted, but that doesn't really mean
that starting an argument no one made yet is reasonable behavior.
If you didn't want to hear peoples opinions about this article or read about this person again you could, you know, not click on the thread.
Which is pretty much all Zen_Arcade does in threads about racism/black people.
Lightning_Roller
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So what you're saying is tales from your ass. Got it.
Zen_Arcade
Banned
In what way? Literally the first post in this thread is shitting on the article, and that's been the consistent tone since then.
So mind telling me how this thread isn't a whiny, negative mess?
Oh you.
Mammoth Jones
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What exactly did we say when we "bitched and moaned"? You're completely skipping past the point we're making. You making it sound like we just whining for the sake of it with no underlying observations or points about this story or how it's being used to push a narrative. You're not even taking the time to disagree with it point-by-point. You're not discussing this in good faith.
You haven't even given anything resembling a coherent opinion on the story. You're just defecating on posters responses. Disagree all you want but our reasoning has been laid out. Now if you too much of an intellectual coward to break our reasoning down point by point that's cool. But don't pretend you're doing anything other than bitching your damned self.
Zen_Arcade
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There are plenty of posts in here already mentioning "Both sides" and people talking about how they can't wait until people come in here to bring it up in regards to the article.
That is quite literally people whining for the sake of it. It's them preemptively whining. Literally no one in the beginning of this thread, nor the article push this narrative. So the people jumping in to immediately complain just bring their negative experiences with what is, at it's core, a nice article and immediately focus on the negative aspects of something that wasn't even present in this thread yet.
My point isn't that it's unreasonable to be annoyed at people using something like this to push a narrative you don't like. My point is maybe people should actually wait until that narrative pops up before turning the thread into that.
Okay white folk stanning for this guy:
If someone wanted YOU dead, joined an organization that wanted YOU dead, and gleefully wished that YOU would die, would YOU have an open conversation with him and see that he's human?
No? Then why suggest black people do it towards the fucking Klan?
Here's an idea, maybe it should be white people should be telling these racist white people that their views are wrong. And not let a minority risk his/her fucking life.
If someone wanted YOU dead, joined an organization that wanted YOU dead, and gleefully wished that YOU would die, would YOU have an open conversation with him and see that he's human?
No? Then why suggest black people do it towards the fucking Klan?
Here's an idea, maybe it should be white people should be telling these racist white people that their views are wrong. And not let a minority risk his/her fucking life.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Ignore the derail, people.
So you didn't read the thread is what I'm getting from this post.
You are a bad faith poster.
Zen_Arcade
Banned
I read the article and first page. What part of it goes against what I posted?
The onus ain't on us to reach out to these people. Shit is fucking infuriating.
Mammoth Jones
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So you still don't actually have a retort for the reasoning posters have laid out and are just thread-shitting? Got it.
I'll be the adult here and actually make a cogent argument: The reasoning the article isn't 'nice' to me is because it reeks of white-moderate-fantasy that the social onus is on the Black man to be patient and ever loving in order to help rid the misguided White man of his bigotry. It's only a feel-good story if you're fucking myopic like shit. Take a step back and see how it's being used in a wider context.
That shit only feels good to folks that get to read the article, smile and go right back to their snow-globe of a life where they are unconcerned w/ being black on the day to day in a nation awash w/ folks that hate their guts.
This. This. This. That's my point.
So you're bitching because of a technicality? This ain't court mofo, lol. I don't have to wait until evidence has been submitted to raise an objection when I know god damn well how his story gets used by White-moderates and folks that wanna use this to say "See, BLM...this is what ya'll need to do. Hugs not protests!"
Lightning_Roller
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Thank you, thank you. It sucks that people have to repeat this in the thread.
Zen_Arcade
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I don't even disagree with the points people are making. It's just extremely odd that people are making them when no one in this thread said anything that went against the points they're making in the first place.
As for your second paragraph, you're kind of proving my point. You see what is a positive article and immediately focus on the negative aspects of it. Aspects that aren't even present in the article you're describing.
I'd rather not have a conversation with people that base their philosophy on murderers and lynchers and that wish that the times they could do that without consequences could come back.
Might as well start a conversation with motherfucking ISIS. That'll go well.
Is it really that bizarre to think about the context of this article and its message in our current climate? Why is this such a stretch for you?
Chmpocalypse
Blizzard
If all you can take away from this conversation is that people are "whiny" and "negative", you're barely even skimming the topic.
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Deleted member 17706
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I doubt he wants to understand. To him, we're all just trying to detract form his enjoyment of a model magic negro and the idea that white supremacists are just like normal folks!
Wag
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuu3gTMbc_s
Holy shit, this guy can play.
At the very least he introduced some racists to some good music.
Holy shit, this guy can play.
At the very least he introduced some racists to some good music.
Lightning_Roller
Banned
Looks like that's the case considering his posts.
Zen_Arcade
Banned
Did it take a long time to build that strawman?
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Deleted member 17706
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No strawman here. It's clear as day from your behavior in this thread (and supposedly others if certain posters are to be believed). Congrats on starting some bullshit and making this thread all about you, though. Must be fun.
Mammoth Jones
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Ok, now we're getting somewhere. So you're more concerned with posters bitching @ no one and not what they're actually saying? Strange but ok.
There's nothing positive in the article to me. It's not what's in the article it's how it's been used for YEARS.
Zen_Arcade
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I don't see how I'm making anything about me. I'm only answering to people who are talking to me.
In fact, if you want to continue the conversation, we can do it in a PM. That way we aren't clogging up the thread with posts you feel are off topic.
We can continue this through PMs as well if you'd like. If I am distracting the thread in a way people feel is off topic it would probably be the best way to continue.
I understand why people are talking with me. My point was that I don't feel like the thread is "About me" or that other people that aren't in our conversation aren't able to have the conversation they want to have. It feels like we are having a conversation within a thread, which is what being on GAF always feels like when you get into a conversation.
Mammoth Jones
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You barged in with this mega-shit post:
Don't act shocked or confused with the reaction you getting.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Rabid Dwarf 76
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I certainly don't speak for everyone but I'm enjoying y'all's dialog actually. I wouldn't mind if it continued.
I think this work is 100% valid, worthwhile, and amazing. Tremendous change can come when you reach out to someone in this way, even people with extreme bigoted beliefs.
It's by no means the only way to combat fascism, though. Antifa and black and brown power movements are just as valid and important -- violent and non-violent both.
Edit : Forgot to mention: the lack of condemnation on Trump isn't helping anyone, though.
It's by no means the only way to combat fascism, though. Antifa and black and brown power movements are just as valid and important -- violent and non-violent both.
Edit : Forgot to mention: the lack of condemnation on Trump isn't helping anyone, though.
Chie Satonaka
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Nobody would ever ask people to do this.
Nobody would ever ask surviving families of ISIS violence if they forgive their attackers, either.
Curious that ISIS and ISIS sympathizers are put into the exact box they should be, but people constantly find ways to empathize and sympathize with nazis and white supremacists.
Hmm.
excelsiorlef
Member
Weird that this never gets mentioned as part of the story
The narrative pops all the god dammed time
well... white people tell muslim people to talk to ISIS all the time, as if every person who might be arab has them on speed dial
Mammoth Jones
Member
Almost like a narrative is being pushed. Amazing...
On the other hand, it would be rather productive if more white people were to confront their racist family members and genuinely call them out on their shitty beliefs.
I do this, and I'm not even white.
It hits a lot more closer to home for white moderates. They probably have that racist relative or hell have had racist thoughts themselves. That's why their language is so forgiving and accomodating. ISIS though we have to bomb the shit out of those guys.
Lightning_Roller
Banned
Quite a quandary indeed.
It would probably be a small asterisk, with even smaller print saying "results may vary."
excelsiorlef
Member
Reading from some of the quotes they just pretend he and only he isn't Black.
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