No 360 game came close to offering walls as exquisitely detailed as these...
Why are those bricks covered in donut glaze?
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WatchDogs on PS4 is Confirmed 1080, X1 version not confirmed
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Why are those bricks covered in donut glaze?
SenjutsuSage
Banned
It was El Torro owned him. He found a tweet of that guy's that was a few days old saying Second Son was more impressive than Ryse and that people should accept XBO is less powerful after he picked a fight with us on twitter saying the only possible reason for resolution differences was the marketing deal because Ryse blows away Second Son.
Screen-grab from a leaked comparison video.
There won't be a notice difference, especially at 900p.
If watch dogs Xbone gets another AC4 level of down porting... Ya that's a blatant difference. 900p plus worse AA plus less stable frame rate = noticeable to anyone who played both.
Fleshfeast
Member
No 360 game came close to offering walls as exquisitely detailed as these...
What game is this?
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
I know a lot about graphics, I played GTA V and Saint's Row 2 on PS3 and I remember them looking exactly like bullshots. With that said I finally found an XBONE screenshot. Now it's taken from a blurry video and I picked this image specifically because I don't like it but there's just enough visual information here for me to come to unflattering conclusions about literally every aspect of the visuals
it's like, there's no anisotropic filtering, the lighting is flat, and just look at those npc character models, they're terrible. Fucking looks like infamous 1. And those textures? Don't even get me started. Delsin's beanie prolly got more polys than the whole city. plus what is that fxaa? Downgrade-a-downgrade truly confirmed
Doesn't look that bad. Hard to tell from a single screenshot.
Still, I expect a big performance gap between Xbone and PS4 versions.
Appollowexx
Member
Well we don't know right now. All that seems to be rumoured is the game is running at 900p on XB1, which as far as I'm concerned is not a big deal. Especially if the framerate, AA and effects are the same across the board.
To be honest I sometimes think these comparisons are blown way out of proportion. Most XB1 ports are close to their PS4 counterparts. Only the super hardcore graphic guys are going to notice much of a difference.
I mean BF4 on my PS4 looks very sharp at 900p, even that Thief comparison gif looks pretty much the same to me.
Solid Samus
Banned
That 'comparison' gif is a bad joke. You can't compare the effects the resolution has on overall IQ when you downsample both comparison screenshots.But is that real evidence? Can you say for sure that the reason Ryse looks a little soft compared to other games is because of it's native resolution?
Where's detective Gaf when you need him!
I did a little investigating myself and this is what I found. Here's what 900p vs 1080p looks like in the most recent example... Thief.
LookAtMeGo
Member
Word.
So there is no not having Nvidia tech on consoles.. I think i just kind of assumed there was some deal with Nvidia and devs to keep that stuff off consoles for going with AMD.
but we all know what assuming does
If it's only a difference of 180 lines ya. That's not too bad. But with ps4 having 2x the pixel performance 180 lines is usually only half the difference. Didn't thief have 3d ground surfaces (tesselation) on ps4 for example.
The Thief gif is 1203x675 in 256 colors so it really isn't the best way to compare.
Solid Samus
Banned
It's almost as bad as comparing last generation screenshots and gifs at not-even-fucking-close-to-the-original-native-res against compressed screenies of modern games at a much higher resolution
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GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
It doesn't 'suck' but when I downloaded the patch, I could definitely see a difference quite clearly.
You don't wanna know.
Pankratous
Member
Poor X1. Yet another title to add to the fast-growing list...
At least, I assume. If X1 was 1080p too they would definitely shout about it.
At least, I assume. If X1 was 1080p too they would definitely shout about it.
Yekshemesh
Member
Agreed, PS4 version should have better graphics/effects to show the better hardware and X1 version should get Kinect integration because that will show off the features of Kinect and separates itself form PS4.
That's also a better AA being used. But ya. It's noticeable.
Kazuma Kiryu
Member
That parity thing is nonsense. Where was parity between resident evil 1 on ps1 and saturn? Where was parity between bayonetta on ps3 and 360? Where was parity between mortal kombat on genesis and snes?
The list goes on and on. There won't be parity this generation either.
What is the better AA?
Syphon Filter
Member
Cant they use ps4 camera?
Yekshemesh
Member
You can, but the X1 has the luxury of having Kinect packed in. And let's be honest, Microsoft needs as many games/software using Kinect as possible before people write it off as a loss cause.
SJRB
Gold Member
I know a lot about graphics, I played GTA V and Saint's Row 2 on PS3 and I remember them looking exactly like bullshots. With that said I finally found an XBONE screenshot. Now it's taken from a blurry video and I picked this image specifically because I don't like it but there's just enough visual information here for my trained eyes to come to unflattering conclusions about literally every aspect of the visuals
it's like, there's no anisotropic filtering, the lighting is flat, and just look at those npc character models, they're terrible. Fucking looks like infamous 1. And those textures? Don't even get me started. Delsin's beanie prolly got more polys than the whole city. plus what is that fxaa? Downgrade-a-downgrade truly confirmed
Very nice.
Codeblew
Member
Don't you wax your bricks?
googleplex
Member
No 360 game came close to offering walls as exquisitely detailed as these...
That looks awful :-(
grosvenor_92
Member
I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be this.
This, still don't get why people are saying 900p is fine because it's "close" to 1080p. That's completely missing the point.
Yeah it's pretty dumb but at the time it was amazing. I mean of course people pointed out the shininess back then too, but coming off of PS2/Xbox parallax mapping was mind blowing.
I know a lot about graphics, I played GTA V and Saint's Row 2 on PS3 and I remember them looking exactly like bullshots. With that said I finally found an XBONE screenshot. Now it's taken from a blurry video and I picked this image specifically because I don't like it but there's just enough visual information here for my trained eyes to come to unflattering conclusions about literally every aspect of the visuals
it's like, there's no anisotropic filtering, the lighting is flat, and just look at those npc character models, they're terrible. Fucking looks like infamous 1. And those textures? Don't even get me started. Delsin's beanie prolly got more polys than the whole city. plus what is that fxaa? Downgrade-a-downgrade truly confirmed
Now I see why Microsoft wanted Ubisoft to not show any Xbox One footage of the game. Looks terrible all around.
17-28fps at 900p. Cinematics run at 24fps for the "feel" of cinematics. Take it or leave it
How do you even know it's Xbone footage? What gave it away? The horrible YouTube compression or the unique to Xbone 1183x609 resolution?
smh
digoutyoursoul
Member
The shit you get away with on here is ridiculous
serversurfer
Member
It's the fuzziness I was referring to actually. I didn't expect to notice much change from the patch, but after relaunching the game, everything was much crisper, especially the distant scenery. I thought that was a nice benefit, but ultimately not that big of a deal. However, as I played, I realized just how much eliminating the fuzziness increased playability.
Pre-patch, when infiltrating a restricted zone, I'd spend a good amount of time hiding in the shadows, waiting for guards to make their patrol routes, all so I could be certain of which way they were facing. It was just hard to be certain whether I was looking at their front or back, and if I was looking at them from the side, it was basically just guesswork.
Post-patch, all of those issues went away. Suddenly, I had no trouble determining which way the guards were facing, and I was able to waltz through restricted zones in what felt like half the time it took me previously. I was actually kind of amazed at how much easier it made the game to play. It goes way beyond prettiness and bragging rights; it literally made the game better.
It still improves as the generation increases.
Love how I'm an "xbox defender" even though what I said was true for pretty much every console. I owned a PS2. I played GT3 in 480p but played GT4 in 1080i.
You are very mature. Love how you have to always reply to anything I say with some form of a dig (whether it's to me or the XB1 in general).
TrueGrime
Member
Was going to retort tactfully, but thank god for being able to go into post history and being able to make the decision to not even bother.
GamingIsDead
Member
yah no it like upscaled 480p to 1080i. It looked awful.
Solid Samus
Banned
right? look at how blurry it is, Final Fantasy X had better IQ than this and that game was open world
I thought it looked much better. If that's the case then my mistake (was 10 years ago).
There were more games that supported 480p on the PS2 as the gen moved along though. The later entries in the Ratchet and Clank series comes to my mind.
Kssio_Aug
Member
I hope the game do not come to us at that state of downgrade:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0q0P5r5rX0A
I mean... thats a HUGE downgrade. Very disappointing tbh. And I know its not hardware limitation (at least for PS4) since inFamous Second Son is visually incredible and still an open world.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0q0P5r5rX0A
I mean... thats a HUGE downgrade. Very disappointing tbh. And I know its not hardware limitation (at least for PS4) since inFamous Second Son is visually incredible and still an open world.
digoutyoursoul
Member
Wow
LOL guys did you see? LittleJohnny re-registered but he called himself PLAYSTATIONBOY so I wouldn't detect his SHITTY POSTING with neogaf's SONY BIASBut is that real evidence? Can you say for sure that the reason Ryse looks a little soft compared to other games is because of it's native resolution?
Where's detective Gaf when you need him!
I did a little investigating myself and this is what I found. Here's what 900p vs 1080p looks like in the most recent example... Thief.
This is what Ryse looks like without sub-surface scattering, a next gen effect that makes skin look diffuse and real. May look sharper as a tack and you could even see the dimples on the skin:
Here's the same model, but with SSSS applied. Notice how it makes it look overall softer. You don't see all the dimples, however this is how real skin is supposed to look.
Could this be the softness that you're complaining about? if so, this has nothing to do with the 900p resolution:
jesus christ.
Exploratory
Banned
Um...it doesn't? You shouldn't judge any consoles performance using launch games. Not just the XB1.
Let me give you a perfectly good example. COD Ghosts is 720p on Xbox One. Now anyone who thinks that's representative of the consoles power is just believing what they want to believe. Not only did BF4 run at the same res with dramatically better textures but Ghosts is a mesa technically on other platforms. On PC Ghosts is garbage (or at least it was at release). I mean we know the XB1s tools were terrible at release they were clearly caught with their pants down by Sony. Now they're getting better and you can see that with many games. Like Watch Dogs if the 960p rumor is true.
PeregrinSe7en
Member
there's nothing wrong with what he said.
The hardware limitation comes from the 360 and PS3 versions.
digoutyoursoul
Member
I never said there was, ok ?
The downgrade is pretty dramatic in that video, disappointing
djblackice
Member
PeregrinSe7en
Member
oh ok i misunderstood then. i misinterpreted the 2nd half of your post
thelastword
Banned
Well something must have gone awry because quite a few early 360 games did not meet that standard. PGR3 was sub and pretty jaggy and so was Halo 3, also, both coming from Ms studios.