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Waypoint: Everyone Seems Ready to Rip ME:A to Shreds
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Its not though lol
SmackAttack
Member
Yup. I may have been skeptical about it since the announcement because of how disappointing ME3 was but I, in no way, wanted this game to get the reception it seems to be getting. I was hoping they'd knock it out of the park and surprise me with something great. Maybe I will like it, who knows, but seeing the impressions of it leave me sad and kind of regretting feeling the way I did in the first place.
broncobuster
Banned
Feels like there's always a rush to dump on the hate pile but it's possible to transcend it if it's good. Pre-release for Horizon had that one cutscene going around and folks tried hard to make it a big deal. It fizzled out soon after. One thing I'll say about the response to Mass Effect Andromeda is how lady Ryder was hated before the rest of the game got out there. Used to see people saying the male Ryder was fine, and "what happened?" to her model. But, boy, both of the models turned out to be bad.
Sorry but this kind of thing I just cannot agree with. Bethesda put voiced main characters into Fallout 4 for a reason. They have story arcs, quest chains and hundreds of named characters.
Just because some people play Bethesda games as "walking in the woods simulators" doesn't mean that story and characters are unimportant.
The main story quests since Oblivion at least have been utter dross. Poorly written, predictable and totally boring. The faces of major NPCs are disgustingly hideous and they're all voiced by pretty much the same 7 people.
Fallout 4's main character looked like he'd been made of melting wax and the voice acting and dialogue was truly appalling. However these issues were all conveniently forgotten.
People criticise Andromeda for having bugs, when Bethesda games often require numerous community mods and patches to fix gamebreaking bugs all over the place. They still get showered with praise.
I have no problem with people criticising Andromeda for having poor facial animation - it is a genuine weak point in the game. However people are taking it absurdly far. They're ripping the game to shreds repeatedly on forums left right and centre, despite the fact that many other games in the genre seem to get away with worse.
Nier Automata is a sci fi game with a great story that came out on PC about a week ago.
ScatheZombie
Member
"It's not that bad..." is one of those lies you tell yourself so you don't have to accept how bad something actually is.
I actually made this exact argument in the other thread from the opposite direction.
The Mass Effect titles have always been mediocre pap. And people are willing to accept that, even praise it, because they aren't terrible and they're one of the only games in that space-opera RPG-shooter sub-genre.
I actually made this exact argument in the other thread from the opposite direction.
The Mass Effect titles have always been mediocre pap. And people are willing to accept that, even praise it, because they aren't terrible and they're one of the only games in that space-opera RPG-shooter sub-genre.
Oh precious little snowflake, its not defending.. and this goes for any game... some people just hate something so much, they need to post something bad about it in every single thread. It happened with almost every game recently.. but i guess its nothing new.. some people just dont have anything better to do
It is a dissapointing score but it doesn't mean it's a bad game. I know you like to shit on it but hey that seems par for the course with your posting.
Yea i know its a good game but its characters and world dont really interest me
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
Please don't ever use "snowflake". Only assholes say "snowflake".
Just had to take the time to reply to your ignorant posts from both yesterday and today. I'm def down to play some more when I'm home later today though!
Or, you know, they just like it more than other people. Opinions, what are those?
Ploid 3.0
Member
Hopefully this means they will put a ton more effort in making sure Dragon Age 4 is even better than what it would be if ME4 was just a runaway hit with everyone.
Fortunately I'm no ME fan. Bring on DA 4, though please don't make it even more accessible with DA:I's non tactics menu flexibility, and stick to one character gameplay. It made DA Multiplayer good, but it doesn't work well for a party realtime with pause rpg. Bring it back to isometric main focus.
I hope a lot of the Dragon Age people didn't work on this. I'd feel bad for the gang. Luke was awesome, I guess I should start watching their Bioware Twitch Mass Effect multiplayer streams to see if it's the same people.
Fortunately I'm no ME fan. Bring on DA 4, though please don't make it even more accessible with DA:I's non tactics menu flexibility, and stick to one character gameplay. It made DA Multiplayer good, but it doesn't work well for a party realtime with pause rpg. Bring it back to isometric main focus.
I hope a lot of the Dragon Age people didn't work on this. I'd feel bad for the gang. Luke was awesome, I guess I should start watching their Bioware Twitch Mass Effect multiplayer streams to see if it's the same people.
You must be still living in 2007 playing mass effect 1 using a flip phone without a browser
LectureMaster
Member
Yeah, I always want to post a lttp thread :what if 1886 was a $39.99 title. I loved that game and think being 39.99 price would justify everything the game offered.
Though I got it for 8 bucks.
On topic, I have not played the game yet, any gaffer can tell how the graphic looks like on PS4 pro?
ScatheZombie
Member
Then they'd have an actual defense or opinion.
That phrase specifically is exactly what I just described.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
Okay. No need to be petty.
It does seem weird the amount of hate the animations are getting when you get games like Fallout 4 or Yakuza which are even worse in that department slip under the radar. They're bad of course, but a lot of the criticisms have obviously gone way too far especially with many of the developers being harassed online.
Pretty much this, though I would say Mass Effect 2 happened instead of 3. That was when I started to lose patience with Bioware.
I wanted ME: A to be good but everything about it just looks terrible, namely the story.
I wish people would actually read the article before deciding to post, as half the posters here deriding the article would realize it's actually agreeing with them.
The article itself is a little weird in the sense that it's more just thinking out loud than really coming to some big point, but there's nothing in there inflammatory or controversial, at all.
It's an absolute bummer the game has turned out like it did though. I really loved Mass Effect 1, and although I liked each successor a bit less, I still found them to be fun games with a potential for (and some realization of) an amazing universe of stories. The animation and visual glitches are easy to laugh at, but it seems like the game has deeper problems than that (as noted in the article when comparing the gifs and videos of BF1 glitches compared to Andromeda). Unfortunately, those surface issues have completely turned me away from playing Andromeda (I ended up just watching the ending on a live stream, and will probably just go through bits and pieces of the story by reading wiki articles once that stuff is written down).
The article itself is a little weird in the sense that it's more just thinking out loud than really coming to some big point, but there's nothing in there inflammatory or controversial, at all.
It's an absolute bummer the game has turned out like it did though. I really loved Mass Effect 1, and although I liked each successor a bit less, I still found them to be fun games with a potential for (and some realization of) an amazing universe of stories. The animation and visual glitches are easy to laugh at, but it seems like the game has deeper problems than that (as noted in the article when comparing the gifs and videos of BF1 glitches compared to Andromeda). Unfortunately, those surface issues have completely turned me away from playing Andromeda (I ended up just watching the ending on a live stream, and will probably just go through bits and pieces of the story by reading wiki articles once that stuff is written down).
I can't really agree with this article. It comes down to the fact that this is a simple cash in. It doesn't need to exist, it doesn't push some artistic vision or transcend the narrative of the trilogy. It was made because EA decided it needed another Mass Effect because people buy those.
I get the idea of people dog piling on an "ok" game and making it out as a horrible one, but this is one hell of a lame duck hill to die on.
I get the idea of people dog piling on an "ok" game and making it out as a horrible one, but this is one hell of a lame duck hill to die on.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
The Order deserved it's bullshit though the developers literally said they choose 30fps and were actually considering 23fps because it was more "cinematic". Sadly for them 23fps was too much of sacrifice in input response but it's no wonder the game ended up the way it did and got ripped on the way it was.
Ploid 3.0
Member
If it's only about the animation and the character creator it's no big deal to me. I'm sure they can't be as bad as Fallout and Skyrim, and I played those a ton. I even enjoyed Dragon Age 2 for the gameplay (nightmare with focus on tactical planning, and difficulty mods), and story.
One thing I can promise you, speaking as someone who grew up gaming in arcades back when arcades were a thing, is that after a while the "How could they do this!?" changes to "Eh, guess I'll play something else". There are just too many other things to do to get caught up on a disappointing game.
rochellepaws
Member
This is sort of what happens when publishers invest in multi-year marketing campaigns and conference showcases to build hype, forge excitement and secure pre-orders and then the game disappoints. Are we supposed to feel sympathy for the giant corporation?
When you've pumped in god knows how much money with multiple years of work 'generally Favourable' is probaly not what EA is looking for
TVexperto
Member
Destiny 2 and Red Dead Redemption 2 are not out yet
Why should anyone feel they have to justify their opinions to strangers on the internet? Or rather why should someone have to justify an opinion that is different than mine? It's an opinion, 100% subjective. People are allowed to like or dislike whatever games they please. The idea that they had better come prepared to rigorously debate and defend their opinion of a video game is hilarious. If they like it, good for them. If they dislike it, also good for them. One opinion is in no way more or less valid than the other. This is an open forum, if someone wants to say that a they don't think a game is as bad as many others do, or vice-versa, they're welcome to say so.
Saucycarpdog
Member
Except the part where Hello Games lied about a great deal of features.
There was more to the NMS controversy besides the hype you know.
gundamkyoukai
Member
Pubs and devs care about scores . ( Some bonuses are tied to scores for some pubs well at least back in the day )
People also care like me since this was going to be my first ME game.
ScatheZombie
Member
That's... not what my comment is about. Let's try an exercise here. Imagine if I said... Mass Effect Andromeda is shit. And you said "It's not that bad..." as a defense - which the article and several posters have done.
What are you actually saying? You are actually agreeing with the premise that the game is bad. You are disagreeing with the degree of my criticism, but not the actual criticism itself. It's not a defense of a product. It's just a slightly less harsh criticism with the implication that you are criticizing others for having harsher criticism.
And that's arguably more stupid that hyperbolically saying Andromeda is shit in the first place.
thepenguin55
Member
Yeah, I'm a defender of this game but fully acknowledge that it's loaded with problems and is a disappointing Mass Effect game. Having said that, I don't really know how Patrick could take this stance on the game. It very clearly has major problems that go beyond glitches and bugs. While I would argue that the Mass Effect series has always had janky/bad animations there's no reason why it should still be like that on the 4th entry 5 years after the last one and animations are just the start of the game's problems.
Also, I would argue there was way more hype behind NMS than this game.
Also, I would argue there was way more hype behind NMS than this game.
Or you know .. "its not that bad" simply means the game is good but has some flaws? You're reading into it too much.
Yeah, I think a lot of it comes down to this.
The Mass Effect brand was damaged by Mass Effect 3, and EA really needed to hit this one out of the park to restore customers' faith in the series.
I think they should've done the ME Collection Remastered and put it out now, and given this game the time it needed to be excellent. Because the team probably knew that things were going this way, and EA made them ship it so it hit this fiscal year.
Crankshaft
Member
If no one had pointed out the animation I probably wouldn't have noticed. I'm usually reading the subtitle anyway. The writing i definitely would have noticed.
I'm mostly just disappointed that they didn't take this opportunity to overhaul what's become the Bioware style. New dev team, a new start in a new galaxy millions of light years away and it all felt very samey. I don't think it feels like a bad game, just not one I want to run out and buy right away.
ScientificPizza
Banned
They're not wrong tbh. People are being vitriolic about a middling game
Taliban Stan
Member
Well, I made the bad choice of buying a XB1 so I have no Zelda, no Nioh, no Near, no anything Japanese, and a variety of other nos. ME:A doesn't seem that bad.
How does the writing compare to stuff like Heavy Rain and Beyond? Those games got crazy slammed for terrible writing and story, but story and characters are like the only aspect of those games I like and I LOOOOOOOVE those games.
I remember listening to Weekend Confirmed when Beyond came out and everyone was ragging on the writing but Jeff was like, "I audition for plays and parts in TV shows every week. I honestly don't see what makes this bad compared normal tv and plays."
How does the writing compare to stuff like Heavy Rain and Beyond? Those games got crazy slammed for terrible writing and story, but story and characters are like the only aspect of those games I like and I LOOOOOOOVE those games.
I remember listening to Weekend Confirmed when Beyond came out and everyone was ragging on the writing but Jeff was like, "I audition for plays and parts in TV shows every week. I honestly don't see what makes this bad compared normal tv and plays."
chillybright
Banned
I assume one of them is the leaked footage a while back?Haven't played the game yet but it is not looking good.
Toa Axis
Member
They better looking one was in an official trailer IIRC
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
I don't like Mass Effect 3 at all and all of the previews looked....Suspect to me and I still really hoped the reviews would say it was surprisingly good. I wanted to be sold on this game
Head.spawn
Junior Member
So it needs to be darker and have rain?
*referring to Drewtons post.
*referring to Drewtons post.
A big factor in the disappointment is that this took five years.
I remember in 2012 there were rumours of a prequel game or even a multiplayer-focused game that could come faster.
Yeah, the one on the left.
It's not just an artistic change, the whole video shows there's been a huge downgrade to the lighting.
I remember in 2012 there were rumours of a prequel game or even a multiplayer-focused game that could come faster.
Yeah, the one on the left.
It's not just an artistic change, the whole video shows there's been a huge downgrade to the lighting.
Haven't played the game yet but it is not looking good.
I dont really mind, playing the game upscaled to 4k or even 1440p on PC looks absolutely stunning on the different planets and its opitmized insanely well. I guess textures/lightings like those would matter for console players though.
i dont think it looks like ass. at least on ultra on pc it looks very good, specially the aliens. animations are wonky, dialogue is bad too, but you know...its not as bad as everyone says it is. bought it when i said i was not going to even touch it.
Sometimes it's just people justifiably smelling blood in the water though.
The franchise limped to a finish with ME3 and given timing of launch vs Zelda/Horizon and with heavy weight of expectations any failure to excel vs franchise peak was obviously going to be pounced on.
Releasing a decent if flawed entry wasn't going to be good enough launching now after that long in development.
The franchise limped to a finish with ME3 and given timing of launch vs Zelda/Horizon and with heavy weight of expectations any failure to excel vs franchise peak was obviously going to be pounced on.
Releasing a decent if flawed entry wasn't going to be good enough launching now after that long in development.