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[E-phonk]

You know all the mods that are currently at GAF then? You know the ones that returned? Cause none of the rest of us do.

The old mods are almost all on the discord...

 

[Des0lar]

What am I reading... good lord.

This thread is like a litmus test for the "new" GAF. And it's failing hard.

 

[Steeped in a Sea of Games]

I'm sorry that you guys are so upset about actual law that you have to jump straight to strawmen. Just realize that for as much as you scoff at all of this, it could land your ass in jail at worst and is morally reprehensible at best.

But you know, that's where the male privilege comes in to play. It's nice to not have to worry about becoming a victim, no?

Sleepy time.

 

[aygomyownroad]

This is what I don't understand about the younger generation (I am 33). You take risks when younger, Like go in for that kiss, or initiate something else. Sometimes it happened other times the other person would go no. Any right minded person would apologise and then leave, or stay and not continue what they were doing.

Sometimes you read the signals wrong, and its your reaction which justifies if its sexual Misconduct etc.

She went into the shower, he jumped in, misreading the signals, she said no, he left. If he had stayed then it would be morally wrong etc, but he got up and left like any normal person should.

He misread the signals, something that will happen to all of us at some point in our lives.

 

[chicko1983]

This is my last post on neogaf.

I can't support this site and ELs alleged actions and respone.

Catchya!

 

[anothertech]

The old mods are almost all on the discord...

This means nothing. You don’t know who came back do you.

 

[Zojirushi]

If I send a girl a message over skype and it's a kissy face is that sextual harassment?


Where's the door

Not worth it.

Even compliments are suspect. Just stick to porn and jerking off, live that safe life.

Safe life you say? You're watching videos of nude women? Do you ask for their consent before jerking?

DAMN IT ALL

Guess I'll have to move to NC-17 fanfics.

Man this is what GAF will become now?

 

[meanspartan]

Common sense in my world. For all the people going crazy over this, when is it OK to approach a woman?
Do you need a written acceptance before you can even kiss her?

Some people are way too sensitive.

I'm not saying what he did was OK, but you're all talking like he raped her.
They were drunk, in the same hotel room, she didn't close the door. We don't know the mood or what was said between them.
I could sure as hell see that as an invitation.

Obviously it wasn't, and he respected that.
Then they had sex later. What..

Innocent until proven guilty. Ruining a mans life over heresay is so god damn narrow minded, and dangerous.

Thank you.

For anyone who thinks otherwise....is it really just normal to share a room with an opposite gender friend (or same gender if gay) and have it NOT be expected to be taken as an invitation when you leave the door open as you shower?

Maybe Im just old.

Obviously no always means no regardless of signals. And by all ecounts EL respected that.

What is the issue here?

 

[Typical]

.......you just ignored the "hush hush" part of my post and made it about you.

Typical.

So what? ok in your opinion he could have handled it better and been more open and not so "hush hush".

 

[PhantomThief]

If your business is to run a club that allowed members to be under 18, and it was revealed that a former employee and active clubmember was arrested for child pornography, perhaps you should provide some assurances that the employee and member did not abuse his position where members can be under 18, and that there will be stronger vetting of employees in the future. If you lie about knowing the person and delete any mentions of the issue, it isn't handling the issue correctly.

Exactly 100% this. I think a lot of people dont know anything about that situation, but it had so much impact as to how things were handled this time, and mods didnt want to deal with it that way, but were forced to.

 

[Xtyle]

They didnt distance themselves enough is what I'm saying. Maybe you have some reading apprehension.

I never said they were friends lol. Malka lied about not knowing his real name when in fact he did know his name.

Why the fuck would you lie about that? Stop making excuses for Malka dude.

Because NeoGAF is a business? I don't know why he lied but why is it such a big deal? No matter the reason for it, it is clear he wanted to disassociate himself and possibly his business from the criminal.

If you think it is ethically or morally wrong to lie, then obviously you will take issue with people who have a different view.

 

[BBboy20]

Not closing the bathroom door...

Getting drunk partying with a guy friend....

That she shared a hotel room with....

After taking a road trip with him....


Ya, Malka really was just CRAZY to think she wanted him to make a move right? I mean none of that stuff is a signal right? Come the fuck on, were you all born yesterday?

Yes, none of those are consent. And once he realized that she wasnt into it, he stopped immediately.

A person is having his reputation destroyed over nothing.

...........invading one's space and privacy is not "nothing".

 

[The Spacepope]

Nothing about the absolutely appaling behavior of posting the nudes of a forum member's girlfriend in that article I see. GG Malka.

 

[PhantomThief]

So what? ok in your opinion he could have handled it better and been more open and not so "hush hush".

In everybody's opinion, especially the mods who were forced to ban users asking legitimate questions and asking for clear information.

That is why a lot of mods left, this was just the straw that broke the camels back.

 

[Typical]

This is what I don't understand about the younger generation (I am 33). You take risks when younger, Like go in for that kiss, or initiate something else. Sometimes it happened other times the other person would go no. Any right minded person would apologise and then leave, or stay and not continue what they were doing.

Sometimes you read the signals wrong, and its your reaction which justifies if its sexual Misconduct etc.

She went into the shower, he jumped in, misreading the signals, she said no, he left. If he had stayed then it would be morally wrong etc, but he got up and left like any normal person should.

He misread the signals, something that will happen to all of us at some point in our lives.

Exactly, the reaction on here from some is exactly what this forum is criticised for by some on the right / alt right and you know what they are right. And i hate it when the alt right are right.

 

[PhantomThief]

Because NeoGAF is a business? I don't know why he lied but why is it such a big deal? No matter the reason for it, it is clear he wanted to disassociate himself and possibly his business from the criminal.

If you think it is ethically or morally wrong to lie, then obviously you will take issue with people who have a different view.

Its a big deal because Amirox was a mod for years, and was arrested for being a pedophile.

How is that NOT a big deal? Jesus christ. If he wanted to disassociate himself he should have been open and clear instead of hush hush and banning people for asking legitimate questions.

 

[sneas78]

My opinion regarding these subjects is not what is shared by the modern wave of ultrasensitive - PC culture. However to me this changes everything.

In my opinion the guy made his move on her, she rejected him and he took off. What's the problem? I understand it is invasive for someone to jump into the shower with you but it's not like he was trying to force himself on her and this whole reaction would make anyone think it was like that.

And, if on top of that, the girl eventually did have sex with him... Well, I guess it wasn't that traumatic experience. I'm not doing victim blaming but if you feel someone sexually assaulted you, it's kind of idiotic to continue traveling with the guy and even worse to end up sleeping with him. People that think that this is possible have no clue about what (real) sexual assault means for a person.

I know that I'm risking being banned for talking about this subject but in a sense I feel is kind of poetic this is happening. The community has been affected by hypersensitivity for a long time and a lot of people have been crucified for shit similar to this. Overreacting to stupid shit has been a staple of NeoGaf for a while.

I never cared for drama like this before so I'm not leaving this site. I really hope this puts shit in perspective for everyone who is quick to call for pitchforks. This is not a second chance for Evilore, it's a second chance for the community. Let's try to man up and behave like fucking adults and recognize real traumatic experiences as they are and stop trying to make any stupid sexual (or otherwise) advance into a rape attempt. Shit like that doesn't help real victims.


Let's talk about some fucking games. NeoGAF is the best community in my opinion. Let's try to keep it that way.

Awsome! Let’s remind the internet and everyone here who thinks they might want to leave .. why they were here from the beginning. And whatever happens in the courts.... is not what we do here .. we do Gaming and future consoles.. and we even do 4K and checkboarding 4K

 

[tci]

Way to go Klepek for getting the SCOOPS. Dude's a badass, doing actual investigative reporting on shit that matters.

Second, I love GAF, been coming here for almost a decade. Its been an amazing place to come read about games, insight into the industry, and other's thoughts/opinions. I can't remember how many times I've come here and learned some hot news a week before a major news site picks it up. Like any forum, the strength lies in the community. Time will tell if GAF has the strength to rise again, I suppose. Its a bummer to think of this place becoming a ghost town.

My thoughts on this debacle are.. COME THE F' ON! I'm glad Klepek wrote the piece and shined some more light on the story.

It went from #metoo, I was sexually assaulted by evilore and everyone get their pitchforks shined up, TO

They are travelling together, sharing hotel rooms, getting lit. She had a boyfriend!!! (But at the same time, admittedly polyamourous, in an open relationship....so yeah, the boyfriend aspect has about zero relevance) and there was obviously some kind of relationship between the two, likely coupled with a good amount of sexual tension. They both get drunk, she goes to shower and "maybe leaves the door open partway" which could be interpreted a few different ways, (not saying it was supposed to be an invitation, but they're drunk and staying in a hotel room together here, could be easily misinterpreted) and dude tries to make an ill-thought-out move (sure, it was a little over the top way to break the ice) and she says no. He leaves.

Then the bombshell - "oh we had sex a few months later as I continued to travel with him." Oh, ok. Must have been a really horrible experience there a few months back. (Whoever claimed this is like a domestic violence victim coming back to her abuser - get real. Domestic victims come back to their abusers because of the long standing circle of abuse - the abuser has all the power, has stripped the victim of their self-worth and independence - financially and by cutting them off from their friends/family. Kids are often involved. They come back because the whole abuse cycle is designed to break them down, leaving is hard as fuck financially, and there are legit fears of violence to self/kids if they try to walk away. This woman has her own life, career, circle of friends/family/boyfriend and could've walked away at any point and never talked to this guy again. Not even remotely similar situation.) This makes me believe this whole interaction was no big deal when it happened, maybe even laughed about the next morning, and over the passage of time and a soured relationship, it becomes something else entirely.

When the whole story comes out, this seems more like someone who wanted to join the #metoo movement and came up with a salacious, half-truth of a story to join the club.

Don't think for a minute that I am an apologist for sexual offenders, I work in the court system and when someone goes to the pen for a sexual assault it FEELS GOOD. Fuck people that truly sexually victimize others, and part of me hopes they themselves get victimized behind bars to know what it feels like.

This though...c'mon.

Bringing me to my last point, BRING BACK OFF-TOPIC FORUMS. Talk like this has no business in a forum dedicated to video games

That pretty much sums it up. My exact feelings about this topic. I really do not like to jump to conclusion and make accusations left and right. Give me the details and facts so I can make up my mind. Watching the twitter reactions and posts on this forum have shown that people are quick to judge and spread hate. And not take into account any facts or information.

As for the OT, yes bring it back, but keep politics out of it. Like it seems is the plan. Politics leads to so much hate and toxicity. Take that to other places. To me GAF is about the games and community.

 

[PhantomThief]

This is what I don't understand about the younger generation (I am 33). You take risks when younger, Like go in for that kiss, or initiate something else. Sometimes it happened other times the other person would go no. Any right minded person would apologise and then leave, or stay and not continue what they were doing.

Sometimes you read the signals wrong, and its your reaction which justifies if its sexual Misconduct etc.

She went into the shower, he jumped in, misreading the signals, she said no, he left. If he had stayed then it would be morally wrong etc, but he got up and left like any normal person should.

He misread the signals, something that will happen to all of us at some point in our lives.

He misread the signals, but doesnt say that.

No he says her allegations are false and that she is mentally unstable.

Wtf dude big difference no?

Yall keep making up excuses for Malka. Why? You dont even know the guy... neither do I but I'm going by his words, not my imagination of who he is personally.

 

[meanspartan]

This thread is like a litmus test for the "new" GAF. And it's failing hard.

Because we dare to think that this series of events does not by any reasonable standard constitute sexual assault?

For the record, the other incident where he grabbed some woman's ass undoubtedly IS sexual assault. But for whatever reason, thats not the one that caused the blowup.

 

[Top%Rattata]

I don't know what to say.

It's really awful being abused by someone and feeling like you can't say anything about it. Of course, it would also be awful if it were untrue, so quick judgments are probably not a good way forward. I will say:

1/ Allegations of sexual harassment/ assault should always be taken very seriously;
2/ Those involved have the right to make their statements, and follow formal processes if appropriate. (I've never been a fan of Internet bandwagons - let people whose job it is to deal with it, deal with it).
3/ Innocence should be presumed until guilt is proven
4/ It tends to take time for details to emerge; Avoid immediate hot-takes, give it time, see what comes to light and evaluate accordingly.

It's not a spicy point of view, but I am far removed from the situation & cannot possibly judge it fairly. Just waiting and watching for me I guess.

Very sad what's happened

 

[Screaming Meat]

Yes, none of those are consent. And once he realized that she wasnt into it, he stopped immediately.

A person is having his reputation destroyed over nothing.

Which reputation: The one for arse-grabbing, the one for sending revenge porn or the one where he covered for a nonce?

Pick your poison.

 

[Herr Schwarz]

Man this is what GAF will become now?

Yeah sorry I can't sum up any vitriolic outrage at an incident that is still a bit hazy on the details. An incident of, nudity!

You're making this sound like an aggravated sex attack.

Just a really shit way to appear sexy and brash?

 

[BBboy20]

So what? ok in your opinion he could have handled it better and been more open and not so "hush hush".

YES

 

[blankempathy]

Amir0x's past and him being arrested for possessing CP was the forums worst kept secret. Covering it up and distancing themselves made it look like they were protecting him and themselves. Being honest would have been better for the community.

 

[Typical]

In everybody's opinion, especially the mods who were forced to ban users asking legitimate questions and asking for clear information.

That is why a lot of mods left, this was just the straw that broke the camels back.

OK so mods haven't left because EL is a creep, it's because they didn't appreciate how he handled the situations which made their modding harder. Fair enough that's their choice and they have every right to make it.

That's actually a relief, perhaps EL can learn from this making life easier for future mods, making things clearer to the community.

 

[Xtyle]

Exactly 100% this. I think a lot of people dont know anything about that situation, but it had so much impact as to how things were handled this time, and mods didnt want to deal with it that way, but were forced to.

I can see your point. And I know your post isn't aimed at me.
But you know what, most businesses aren't transparent. They aren't going to tell you everything in the working.

Seriously I am not defending him, he may very well made a mistake by being as you said, "hush hush" but that would be a business mistake?

 

[Typical]

YES

Ok he should have handled it better...

 

[meanspartan]

...........invading one's space and privacy is not "nothing".

She left the fucking door open after she spent the night partying with him whilst staying in a room with him.

Come the fuck on, this is not a privacy violation.

 

[meanspartan]

Which reputation: The one for arse-grabbing, the one for sending revenge porn or the one where he covered for a nonce?

Pick your poison.

As I said, to the extent those are true maybe this is karmic justice.

But none of those caused a blowup...this did

 

[kess]

Who is to say that Evilore wouldn't use this site to slander someone else, or censor discussion? If the woman can be accused of acting in bad faith, one cannot discount Tyler using this site in bad faith as a man in a position of power.

This is a mess, and the rest of the site shouldn't have been subjected to it. How is Gaming Forum supposed to be neutral as this runs through the courts?

 

[blankempathy]

She left the fucking door open after she spent the night partying with him whilst staying in a room with him.

Come the fuck on, this is not a privacy violation.

She was also sick and throwing up. I doubt she was in a state of mind where locking the door was a top priority. Maybe she trusted him enough to not try something while she was in that state? She was likely mostly just concerned with jumping in the shower to feel better.

 

[Typical]

She left the fucking door open after she spent the night partying with him whilst staying in a room with him.

Come the fuck on, this is not a privacy violation.

Lets not go down the path of "victim blaming", he fucked up, misread signals to a higher degree than normal but thats all it was from what she has described.

 

[TheGraykid]

This is what I don't understand about the younger generation (I am 33). You take risks when younger, Like go in for that kiss, or initiate something else. Sometimes it happened other times the other person would go no. Any right minded person would apologise and then leave, or stay and not continue what they were doing.

Sometimes you read the signals wrong, and its your reaction which justifies if its sexual Misconduct etc.

She went into the shower, he jumped in, misreading the signals, she said no, he left. If he had stayed then it would be morally wrong etc, but he got up and left like any normal person should.

He misread the signals, something that will happen to all of us at some point in our lives.

Dude this girl was completely smashed, basically throwing up in a shower, I don't know how you can read that as a signal to engage. And even if you did, I'd assume you wouldn't from that point forward basically treat the other person like shit (which is alleged here). The answers we see in the article it makes it seem even worse, calling someone "a deeply disturbed, malicious individual," for essentially sharing what he later described as a pretty accurate depiction of what happened. It all just seems pretty fucked and more than a little worse than "misreading signals".

 

[Des0lar]

Because we dare to think that this series of events does not by any reasonable standard constitute sexual assault?

For the record, the other incident where he grabbed some woman's ass undoubtedly IS sexual assault. But for whatever reason, thats not the one that caused the blowup.

Not closing the bathroom door...

Getting drunk partying with a guy friend....

That she shared a hotel room with....

After taking a road trip with him....


Ya, Malka really was just CRAZY to think she wanted him to make a move right? I mean none of that stuff is a signal right?

This is the "light" version of, "well she shouldn't be wearing these kinds of clothes at night when she goes out alone".

She left the fucking door open after she spent the night partying with him whilst staying in a room with him.

Come the fuck on, this is not a privacy violation.

And one more time. Leaving a bathroom door open is a signal to enter naked nowadays? Thank god I don't have friends like you.

 

[LeroyPantwether]

Amir0x's past and him being arrested for possessing CP was the forums worst kept secret. Covering it up and distancing themselves made it look like they were protecting him and themselves. Being honest would have been better for the community.

It never made sense . Amirox was terrible even before the CP. How and why he was allowed to stay was/is such a huge mystery for me .

 

[Noboru Wataya]

I don't know what to say.

It's really awful being abused by someone and feeling like you can't say anything about it. Of course, it would also be awful if it were untrue, so quick judgments are probably not a good way forward. I will say:

1/ Allegations of sexual harassment/ assault should always be taken very seriously;
2/ Those involved have the right to make their statements, and follow formal processes if appropriate. (I've never been a fan of Internet bandwagons - let people whose job it is to deal with it, deal with it).
3/ Innocence should be presumed until guilt is proven
4/ It tends to take time for details to emerge; Avoid immediate hot-takes, give it time, see what comes to light and evaluate accordingly.

It's not a spicy point of view, but I am far removed from the situation & cannot possibly judge it fairly. Just waiting and watching for me I guess.

Very sad what's happened

You summed it up perfectly.

I have a friend who, when we were teenagers, still lived at home.He has a younger brother, a mother, and a father.

One day his younger brother and another kid in the area from a rough family got in a fist fight. The other kid lost. He went home in anger and told his mother that my friends dad had touched his penis and that's why they were fighting.

After police raiding the house, the mother having to go to hospital due to heart problems, all the video tapes, and computers games all taken away for months. The entire neighbourhood was talking, he was branded a peadophile and threatened.

After the case was dropped, no evidence, all their belongings returned.. the kid admitted to his mother that he made it up.

That poor family went through absolute hell because of people like the ex-gaf members. And people who lack reason and empathy on a human level have no place here... and for that I say so long.

 

[blankempathy]

It never made sense . Amirox was terrible even before the CP. How and why he was allowed to stay was/is such a huge mystery for me .

And people say they didn't know him personally. Bullshit. It was clear to anyone that he was given leeway due to favoritism. Even non mods knew his real name. Of course Evilore knew it as well.

 

[meanspartan]

Way to go Klepek for getting the SCOOPS. Dude's a badass, doing actual investigative reporting on shit that matters.

Second, I love GAF, been coming here for almost a decade. Its been an amazing place to come read about games, insight into the industry, and other's thoughts/opinions. I can't remember how many times I've come here and learned some hot news a week before a major news site picks it up. Like any forum, the strength lies in the community. Time will tell if GAF has the strength to rise again, I suppose. Its a bummer to think of this place becoming a ghost town.

My thoughts on this debacle are.. COME THE F' ON! I'm glad Klepek wrote the piece and shined some more light on the story.

It went from #metoo, I was sexually assaulted by evilore and everyone get their pitchforks shined up, TO

They are travelling together, sharing hotel rooms, getting lit. She had a boyfriend!!! (But at the same time, admittedly polyamourous, in an open relationship....so yeah, the boyfriend aspect has about zero relevance) and there was obviously some kind of relationship between the two, likely coupled with a good amount of sexual tension. They both get drunk, she goes to shower and "maybe leaves the door open partway" which could be interpreted a few different ways, (not saying it was supposed to be an invitation, but they're drunk and staying in a hotel room together here, could be easily misinterpreted) and dude tries to make an ill-thought-out move (sure, it was a little over the top way to break the ice) and she says no. He leaves.

Then the bombshell - "oh we had sex a few months later as I continued to travel with him." Oh, ok. Must have been a really horrible experience there a few months back. (Whoever claimed this is like a domestic violence victim coming back to her abuser - get real. Domestic victims come back to their abusers because of the long standing circle of abuse - the abuser has all the power, has stripped the victim of their self-worth and independence - financially and by cutting them off from their friends/family. Kids are often involved. They come back because the whole abuse cycle is designed to break them down, leaving is hard as fuck financially, and there are legit fears of violence to self/kids if they try to walk away. This woman has her own life, career, circle of friends/family/boyfriend and could've walked away at any point and never talked to this guy again. Not even remotely similar situation.) This makes me believe this whole interaction was no big deal when it happened, maybe even laughed about the next morning, and over the passage of time and a soured relationship, it becomes something else entirely.

When the whole story comes out, this seems more like someone who wanted to join the #metoo movement and came up with a salacious, half-truth of a story to join the club.

Don't think for a minute that I am an apologist for sexual offenders, I work in the court system and when someone goes to the pen for a sexual assault it FEELS GOOD. Fuck people that truly sexually victimize others, and part of me hopes they themselves get victimized behind bars to know what it feels like.

This though...c'mon.

Bringing me to my last point, BRING BACK OFF-TOPIC FORUMS. Talk like this has no business in a forum dedicated to video games

Yep. Precisely this.

(Also a lawyer)

 

[Neece]

This is what I don't understand about the younger generation (I am 33). You take risks when younger, Like go in for that kiss, or initiate something else. Sometimes it happened other times the other person would go no. Any right minded person would apologise and then leave, or stay and not continue what they were doing.

Sometimes you read the signals wrong, and its your reaction which justifies if its sexual Misconduct etc.

She went into the shower, he jumped in, misreading the signals, she said no, he left. If he had stayed then it would be morally wrong etc, but he got up and left like any normal person should.

He misread the signals, something that will happen to all of us at some point in our lives.

The thing is, he can misread the signals and it still be morally wrong. And by morally wrong I'm not even talking about a criminal case. Just talking about actions that hurt a friendship or make a person feel uncomfortable around you. Actions have consequences, even the "I innocently misread the signal" ones. And a good way to move past that mistake is owning up to it and not making excuses for why it wasn't a big deal.

But this is beside the point since this isn't what he claims happened. According to what he has offered so far, it wasn't a missed signal, or a young mistake, or a bold move that backfired. He says the entire thing was consensual and she is lying and crazy and making the whole thing up. So why do we keep going back to the "he made a mistake" angle when that isn't even his position?

For the record, I would be willing to let it go as a drunken missed signal, since the woman in question seemed to interpret it that way herself which is why she continued to be friends with him, but he is denying that version of events, and denying that he made a mistake or an apology is warranted so...why should we grant him an explanation he says isn't true?

 

[Hydrogen Bluebird]

Man, all these people making judgements based on assumptions and incomplete facts...but it's the internet so this is a given, especially with anonymity.

And yes, it won't be the same and the accusations towards the site/forum owner are too much for a lot of members for them to continue using the site. A lot of people hit the breaking point even with assumptions and incomplete info. Unavoidable I guess.

I'm just glad the gaming forum is back.

 

[LeroyPantwether]

And people say they didn't know him personally. Bullshit. It was clear to anyone that he was given leeway due to favoritism.

But why the favoritism ? That's the mystery...

 

[hohoXD123]

Just reading through the article this seems less like a cut and dry sexual harassment scenario like Weinstein and more like simply misreading signals, unknowingly giving signals and just general back and forth drama bs, unless if more stories pop up. Was going to say that if anything he was just a dick for trying to hit on a girl who has a boyfriend, then read this little tidbit:

Leupp said that, at the time, she was polyamorous and in an open relationship with a boyfriend, but the open part of her relationship was exclusive to women, not men. Leupp said her boyfriend knew and trusted Malka.

So fuck it, I give up. His response to this story coming out was stupid and childish.

 

[blankempathy]

But why the favoritism ? That's the mystery...

Either he had something huge on the staff or he was their friend. I mean theres not too many reasons you'd let him get away with stuff.

 

[meanspartan]

This is the "light" version of, "well she shouldn't be wearing these kinds of clothes at night when she goes out alone".



And one more time. Leaving a bathroom door open is a signal to enter naked nowadays? Thank god I don't have friends like you.

I guess I am just getting old then. I never leave a bathroom door open with friends around.

As for the "blame the victim" you are accusing me of, by your standard ANY misreading of signals = sexual assault.

Had Malka not left when she asked, then ya. But thats not what happened.

 

[Skoen]

Asking for permission to kiss someone, seriously?

Maybe if you want to ruin the moment, make the girl start laughing and run the other way and never call you again.

Reading signals, reading people. If you haven´t learned that after 20/30+ years of living I really don´t know what to say..

 

[DrDomVonDoom]

So the Mods are all gone, first Amir0x now this BS. Did the mods leave because they were outraged, or did they run off to circle the wagons and lay low? Birds of a feather flock together, and so far I'm not impressed with the walk vs talk when it comes to those in power. I wonder who else will we see get nipped in the butt later on. Truth will always come out,

 

[BBboy20]

She left the fucking door open after she spent the night partying with him whilst staying in a room with him.

Come the fuck on, this is not a privacy violation.

OH MY FUCKING GOD

 

[samar11]

YeH i dont know how to feel about my girlfriend going with a guy friend on a road trip and getting drunk and staying in the same apartment I believe? :/ Not saying I dont believe the story but why would her bf be ok with that?

 

[meanspartan]

Dude this girl was completely smashed, basically throwing up in a shower, I don't know how you can read that as a signal to engage. And even if you did, I'd assume you wouldn't from that point forward basically treat the other person like shit (which is alleged here). The answers we see in the article it makes it seem even worse, calling someone "a deeply disturbed, malicious individual," for essentially sharing what he later described as a pretty accurate depiction of what happened. It all just seems pretty fucked and more than a little worse than "misreading signals".

Wasnt Malka drunk as hell too? If not, Ill grant that shifts things a bit.