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[Avalanche]

But see it’s not. What it is, is a bunch of trolls that know shit about the situation jumping to conclusions and pretending they know somthing they don’t. It’s called ignorance, and mob attack mentality.

The trolling is at a point that people are making threads to get banned cause it’s cool, when they could just leave and go somewhere else.

It’s about a bunch of ignorant fucks trying to get attention by bashing the GAF owner, and that’s about it.

Oh right, didn't realise that's what it was.

Crazy that getting in the shower with someone without their consent is actually a bunch of trolls that know shit about the situation jumping to conclusions and pretending they know somthing they don’t! My bad!

Sure, the trolling and account suicides are unnecessary but the idea that this happening absolves Malka in some way is bananas. You're just making excuses because you care more about getting gaming news than supporting women.

 

[eso76]

Sexual act with intent to ignore consent = sexual harassment/assault.

Which is not what happened here.
When consent was not given, he left.

He made a wrong assumption. Given what we know and what we can infer about the context, a lot of people could have assumed the same.

Maybe he was expecting her to be too drunk to deny consent, but that would also be an assumption. Assumption are why this thing blew the way it did.

Sorry, I'm not with the "always believe women no matter what" side. Men can lie, women can lie.
The fact that this woman later had consensual sexual encounters with the assaulter makes me at least doubt the episode was nearly as bad as it was presented.

 

[anothertech]

Dude, the mods all left because EL admitted to it.

Also untrue and steeped in ignorance for the most part. We don’t know what mods are here or actually left do we.

 

[Herr Schwarz]

Yep, it's pretty bizarre. And from the outside looking in, it lends more toward a bullshit charge against EvilLore than a guilty charge.

Yup. Now think of all those holier than thou accounts self immolating for no good reason.

 

[meanspartan]

If there is no prior consent, then it's still sexual assault. Kissing someone without consent could get you a battery charge. Just because you're in a relationship doesn't mean you can't rape someone. Being in a relationship doesn't give a person carte blanche to do whatever they want to another person.

Who asks for consent before a first kiss at the ennd of a date?

 

[Mahadev]

Dude, the mods all left because EL admitted to it.

You don't know what you're talking about, this never happened. I've read Evilore's statement to the mods because they "accidentally" leaked it and he says the complete opposite.

 

[numble]

Also untrue and steeped in ignorance for the most part. We don’t know what mods are here or actually left do we.

The mods that left have said so on various social media and other websites. Why is there a need to pretend that we are all ignorant?

 

[PhantomThief]

Also untrue and steeped in ignorance for the most part. We don’t know what mods are here or actually left do we.

All the mods left. All of them.

The thing is this isnt just about the allegations. Its also how the Amirox pedophile situation was handled and barely any talk on it was allowed.

Im sure even the mods knew that shit was messed up, that noone could talk about it or you would get banned.

 

[Steeped in a Sea of Games]

You guys realize we've all been hanging around the old mods off site for the last two days, right?

 

[blankempathy]

You don't know what you're talking about, this never happened. I've read Evilore's statement to the mods because they "accidentally" leaked it and he says the complete opposite.

If I was a mod and read that batshit crazy excuse I'd step down too.

 

[Typical]

You're forgetting the past behavior from EL that is what ultimately drove the mod team out. This wasn't the result of just one event.

Past behaviour? Yes you mean he grabbed a hustlers ass in club in Spain. Omg the monster (sarcasm)

Jesus is that’s all you have on the dude in 33 years or however old he is he sounds like a fucking saint.

Past behaviour, give me a break.

 

[ShogunX]

You guys realize we've all been hanging around the old mods off site for the last two days, right?

All of who? and why are people meant to give a shit?

 

[Mahadev]

You guys realize we've all been hanging around the old mods off site for the last two days, right?

Yes. He still didn't admit shit, I've read the statement a couple of times already.

 

[Steeped in a Sea of Games]

Past behaviour? Yes u mean he grabbed a hustlers ass in club in Spain. Omg the monster (sarcasm)

Jesus is that’s all you have on the dude in 33 years or however old he is he sounds like a fucking saint.

Past behaviour, give me a break.

The mods said they were all about to leave after the Amirox incident. This is what put them over the edge.

 

[anothertech]

Oh right, didn't realise that's what it was.

Crazy that getting in the shower with someone without their consent is actually a bunch of trolls that know shit about the situation jumping to conclusions and pretending they know somthing they don’t! My bad!

Sure, the trolling and account suicides are unnecessary but the idea that this happening absolves Malka in some way is bananas. You're just making excuses because you care more about getting gaming news than supporting women.

like I said, you know nothing. Like the rest of us.

But we sure like to jump to conclusions about people don’t we. Fuck. lol

 

[Steeped in a Sea of Games]

Yes. He still didn't admit shit, I've read the statement a couple of times already.

I'm not talking about that statement.

 

[Neece]

Who asks for consent before a first kiss at the ennd of a date?

You're adding stuff like"at the end of a date" and ignoring "could get you a battery charge."

If you randomly kiss the girl you're having a conversation with at the bus stop, you could get a battery charge.

There are social cues and expectations in place for first dates where you may not need to verbally ask for consent, but you get non-verbal consent like leaning in for a kiss.

 

[meanspartan]

Because she fucking said so?

Not closing the bathroom door isn't consent.

As per the girl's words later when they talked, what happened was "not okay."

Not closing the bathroom door...

Getting drunk partying with a guy friend....

That she shared a hotel room with....

After taking a road trip with him....


Ya, Malka really was just CRAZY to think she wanted him to make a move right? I mean none of that stuff is a signal right? Come the fuck on, were you all born yesterday?

Yes, none of those are consent. And once he realized that she wasnt into it, he stopped immediately.

A person is having his reputation destroyed over nothing.

 

[Mahadev]

I'm not talking about that statement.

There's a statement here and there was a statement to the mods a couple of days ago. Was there some other super secret statement no one knows about?

 

[psychowave]

A person is having his reputation destroyed

[citation needed]

 

[PhantomThief]

Past behaviour? Yes you mean he grabbed a hustlers ass in club in Spain. Omg the monster (sarcasm)

Jesus is that’s all you have on the dude in 33 years or however old he is he sounds like a fucking saint.

Past behaviour, give me a break.

It has more to do with Malka silencing mods, banning people for asking normal questions like wtf happened with amirox?

So many regular forum posters who had been posting here for a long time still didnt know Amirox got arrest for pedophilia.

The fact that shit like that could not be discussed bred a lot of confusion, ignorance and it could have easily been cleared up.

 

[Typical]

The mods said they were all about to leave after the Amirox incident. This is what put them over the edge.

What has amirox got to do with EL? Guy was a creep in his private life. He hasn’t got magic powers to identify creeps now has he. Most creeps turn out to be family members, do we blame family members too?

 

[meanspartan]

You're adding stuff like"at the end of a date" and ignoring "could get you a battery charge."

If you randomly kiss the girl you're having a conversation with at the bus stop, you could get a battery charge.

There are social cues and expectations in place for first dates where you may not need to verbally ask for consent, but you get non-verbal consent like leaning in for a kiss.

You were replying to someone bringing up a date

 

[Typical]

It has more to do with Malka silencing mods, banning people for asking normal questions like wtf happened with amirox?

So many regular forum posters who had been posting here for a long time still didnt know Amirox got arrest for pedophilia.

The fact that shit like that could not be discussed bred a lot of confusion, ignorance and it could have easily been cleared up.

I’m not surprised who the hell wouldn’t want to distance themselves and their business from a pedophile.

What to you think any other person would do?

 

[ChazGW7]

Not closing the bathroom door...

Getting drunk partying with a guy friend....

That she shared a hotel room with....

After taking a road trip with him....


Ya, Malka really was just CRAZY to think she wanted him to make a move right? I mean none of that stuff is a signal right? Come the fuck on, were you all born yesterday?

Yes, none of those are consent. And once he realized that she wasnt into it, he stopped immediately.

A person is having his reputation destroyed over nothing.

What am I reading... good lord.

 

[Herr Schwarz]

If I send a girl a message over skype and it's a kissy face is that sextual harassment?


Where's the door

 

[Seventy70]

It has more to do with Malka silencing mods, banning people for asking normal questions like wtf happened with amirox?

So many regular forum posters who had been posting here for a long time still didnt know Amirox got arrest for pedophilia.

The fact that shit like that could not be discussed bred a lot of confusion, ignorance and it could have easily been cleared up.

How would awareness of amirox possibly have helped anyone? The guy was a known piece of shit around here for quite a while and pretty much no one liked him.

 

[PhantomThief]

What has amirox got to do with EL? Guy was a creep in his private life. He hasn’t got magic powers to identify creeps now has he. Most creeps turn out to be family members, do we blame family members too?

Because Malka claimed to not know the guys name while he donated to amirox when Ami lied about his mother and bought drugs with the money.

After the pedo allegations Malka claimed not to know his name. Any threads on the subject were deleted per Malka's instructions and a half assed statement.

The mods didnt like how this very serious situation was handled.

Sounds like you dont know jack shit about what happened on gaf in recent years and have it in your head this is all about the shower incident.

Its NOT.

 

[Neece]

You were replying to someone bringing up a date

You're right.

 

[PhantomThief]

I’m not surprised who the hell wouldn’t want to distance themselves and their business from a pedophile.

What to you think any other person would do?

How would awareness of amirox possibly have helped anyone? The guy was a known piece of shit around here for quite a while and pretty much no one liked him.

Maybe a good statement regarding his arrest, keep the discussion about it open and fair. He was a longtime mod and member of this site so it shocked many here.

But still many people dont even know that this happened and that is because it was not discussable. The way this was handled was not taken lightly by the mod team afaik.

 

[Steeped in a Sea of Games]

What has amirox got to do with EL? Guy was a creep in his private life. He hasn’t got magic powers to identify creeps now has he. Most creeps turn out to be family members, do we blame family members too?

Mods got a lot of heat over the Amirox thing. They gave EL point because as they quoted "It's his website, so we'll let him decide how to proceed".

EL brushed it under the rug which pissed off a lot of mods, especially after how much leeway EL gave Amirox, which made their lives more difficult. They thought he was being shady about the whole situation.

 

[Typical]

Because Malka claimed to not know the guys name while he donated to amirox when Ami lied about his mother and bought drugs with the money.

After the pedo allegations Malka claimed not to know his name. Any threads on the subject were deleted per Malka's instructions and a half assed statement.

The mods didnt like how this very serious situation was handled.

Sounds like you dont know jack shit about what happened on gaf in recent years and have it in your head this is all about the shower incident.

Its NOT.

Again who wouldn’t want to distance themselves from a convicted pedophile. It’s seems like normal behaviour to me.

So amirox lied to EL too and scammed him out of money, that’s great just shows he didn’t know him that well if we was willing to scam him. That’s not what friends do.

 

[Real Hero]

There's a statement here and there was a statement to the mods a couple of days ago. Was there some other super secret statement no one knows about?

yes, it is amazing

 

[meanspartan]

What am I reading... good lord.

What part of that is shocking?

Had he refused to leave, then ya he'd deserve all this shit. Instead, it seems he misread what seemed like clear signals and immediately stopped when she said no.

 

[ShogunX]

Mods got a lot of heat over the Amirox thing. They gave EL point because as they quoted "It's his website, so we'll let him decide how to proceed".

EL brushed it under the rug which pissed off a lot of mods, especially after how much leeway EL gave Amirox, which made their lives more difficult. They thought he was being shady about the whole situation.

Think this is fair and just like this latest incident it was handled poorly. The whole Amirox thing was some seriously shady shit.

 

[BBboy20]

Again who wouldn’t want to distance themselves from a convicted pedophile. It’s seems like normal behaviour to me.

Distance via trying to be hush hush with the hiring of such a person?

 

[Messofanego]

Bye.

 

[numble]

I’m not surprised who the hell wouldn’t want to distance themselves and their business from a pedophile.

What to you think any other person would do?

If your business is to run a club that allowed members to be under 18, and it was revealed that a former employee and active clubmember was arrested for child pornography, perhaps you should provide some assurances that the employee and member did not abuse his position where members can be under 18, and that there will be stronger vetting of employees in the future. If you lie about knowing the person and delete any mentions of the issue, it isn't handling the issue correctly.

 

[sirap]

If I send a girl a message over skype and it's a kissy face is that sextual harassment?


Where's the door

Not worth it.

Even compliments are suspect. Just stick to porn and jerking off, live that safe life.

 

[Typical]

Distance via trying to be hush hush with the hiring of such a person?

Hiring, he was a mod on a Internet forum. If I mod you right now (if I had a forum) perhaps because you was a good poster or debater or just because you were active and you turned out to moleste children in your spare private time off site, what the hell does that have to to with me. Guess what I’m gonna distance myself from you, I don’t know you really do I, I don’t know what you do in your private time nor am I responsible. I don’t want to be associated with you nor my business. This is normal.

 

[anothertech]

The mods that left have said so on various social media and other websites. Why is there a need to pretend that we are all ignorant?

You know all the mods that are currently at GAF then? You know the ones that returned? Cause none of the rest of us do.

Like I keep saying, we don’t know the state of their relationship before, during, or after the incident, and the more we learn the worse it seems for her.

What we know is fuck all, and the people jumping to conclusions based on 0 facts is just gross.

Why Is there a need to pretend we know shit that we don’t sir.

 

[Steeped in a Sea of Games]

Hiring, he was a mod on a Internet forum. If I mod you right now (if I had a forum) perhaps because you was a good poster or debater or just because you were active and you turned out to moleste children in your spare private time off site, what the hell does that have to to with me. Guess what I’m gonna distance myself from you, I don’t know you really do I, I don’t know what you do in your private time nor am I responsible. I don’t want to be associated with you nor my business. This is normal.

You missed the part where the whole Amirox thing made the mod's lives hell and made them feel complicit.

 

[Herr Schwarz]

Not worth it.

Even compliments are suspect. Just stick to porn and jerking off, live that safe life.

Safe life you say? You're watching videos of nude women? Do you ask for their consent before jerking?

 

[BBboy20]

Hiring, he was a mod on a Internet forum. If I mod you right now (if I had a forum) perhaps because you was a good poster or debater or just because you were active and you turned out to moleste children in your spare private time off site, what the hell does that have to to with me. Guess what I’m gonna distance myself from you, I don’t know you really do I, I don’t know what you do in your private time nor am I responsible. I don’t want to be associated with you nor my business. This is normal.

.......you just ignored the "hush hush" part of my post and made it about you.

Typical.

 

[sirap]

Safe life you say? You're watching videos of nude women? Do you ask for their consent before jerking?

DAMN IT ALL

Guess I'll have to move to NC-17 fanfics.

 

[PhantomThief]

Again who wouldn’t want to distance themselves from a convicted pedophile. It’s seems like normal behaviour to me.

So amirox lied to EL too and scammed him out of money, that’s great just shows he didn’t know him that well if we was willing to scam him. That’s not what friends do.

They didnt distance themselves enough is what I'm saying. Maybe you have some reading apprehension.

I never said they were friends lol. Malka lied about not knowing his real name when in fact he did know his name.

Why the fuck would you lie about that? Stop making excuses for Malka dude.

 

[Xtyle]

If your business is to run a club that allowed members to be under 18, and it was revealed that a former employee and active clubmember was arrested for child pornography, perhaps you should provide some assurances that the employee and member did not abuse his position where members can be under 18, and that there will be stronger vetting of employees in the future. If you lie about knowing the person and delete any mentions of the issue, it isn't handling the issue correctly.

Stop comparing. Neogaf isn't a club and we don't know if the own and mods actually know each others IRL (as in person).

I think if you do believe he lied (I assume many do, and I do too) but my take is it was done as a business strategy. And for business, you got to do what you got to do to survive.

 

[Typical]

You missed the part where the whole Amirox thing made the mod's lives hell and made them feel complicit.

Ok so it was tough on the mods, they had to take more than usual heat from members on the forum. Complicit in what? Pedophilia, that's just stupid.

What has that got to do with EL being lynched publicly for making a couple of bad calls, literally a couple. He's been made out to be a fucking monster for shit that happens in everyday normal life. I don't know him, I have no reason to defend him but anyone with any kind of decency can see a lynch mob from a mile away.

 

[Shari]

This is hard to read for some of us that don't know all the intricacies of the life of every single party involved in this.

Admittedly, the thing with Tyler smells really bad but there are two things, if true, that for me speak louder that each person's version of the thing.

Am I correct this is not a Weinstein scenario and we're passing judgment over 1 report from 1 supposed victim? Are there other Tyler incidents in the books?

And most important, is it true that Keplek reported that they had sex months later after this incident? If this is true I just can't understand how she's is sunk in such emotional trauma that she can't tell her friends but ends up sleeping with his assailant months later. Something ain't right or someone is not telling the full story.

That's my thoughts on this issue, but there's another one. Can anyone explain me what's up with mods? I can understand a couple of them leaving because of this thing but I dont understand the whole lot leaving unless they're absolutely certain the claims are true, and since they didn't give any public statement I don't really know what to think.

I also don't like the fact that you either stay here with a new set of mods purely chosen by Tyler or you choose this new RESETERA forums where the mods have self proclaimed leads of the community.

I don't like either option to be honest and I think its mainly because there's a big lack of transparency from every side so it's hard to take a stance.

Lastly I think Tyler's public statement its pretty bad and focuses more on trying to make the girl look unreliable than actually clarifying how things happened. Again, transparency and also quickness would have went a long way here.

 

[ValfarHL]

What am I reading... good lord.

Common sense in my world. For all the people going crazy over this, when is it OK to approach a woman?
Do you need a written acceptance before you can even kiss her?

Some people are way too sensitive.

I'm not saying what he did was OK, but you're all talking like he raped her.
They were drunk, in the same hotel room, she didn't close the door. We don't know the mood or what was said between them.
I could sure as hell see that as an invitation.

Obviously it wasn't, and he respected that.
Then they had sex later. What..

Innocent until proven guilty. Ruining a mans life over heresay is so god damn narrow minded, and dangerous.