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Weekly european hardware sales [Wii/360/PS3] CW 1 - CW 42 / 08

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dolemite

Member
Hcoregamer00 said:
If you mean by dominating next gen with Wii 2 the same way the Playstation 2 was, then it will likely happen.

Arrogance takes two generations, not one

^__^
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Nintendo had plenty of SONY moments with Virtua Boy, N64, and Cube. And yes, it did take two generations (NES and Super Nintendo) to get there.
 
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Psychotext

Member
Hcoregamer00 said:
If you mean by dominating next gen with Wii 2 the same way the Playstation 2 was, then it will likely happen.
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I was specifically looking for a "The battle for first place is over..." quote. :)
 
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donny2112

Member
Captain Smoker said:
Ok, here's the monthly comparison between US, Europe and Japan for every system.
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Cool! I have a lot of work to do to update my worldwide estimates with this new data next week. At initial glance, it looks like I'm pretty close for Wii/PS3 in total YTD (probably need to adjust individual months, though) but was underestimating 360's improvements this year.

Thanks, Captain Smoker! :)
 
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apujanata

Member
Captain Smoker,

I noticed something odd about your X360 total.

When I input the monthly figure into spreadsheet, the YTD 2008 total I got is 1,417,000 , which is different than yours (1.556.000).

I think you are using the Week 1 - 42 as your total figure, while the monthly figure should use week 1 - 40 as total (since Jan to Sep only have 40 weeks, with Jan, March, June and September 08 having 5 weeks). Week 1 - 40 total is 1,417,000, while week 1 - 42 is 1,556,000. Since you are using Week 1 - 40 total for Wii and PS3 total, I think you should be consistent and also use Week 1 - 40 in your X360 total.

It is a pity that even with the significant price cut, X360 still didn't manage to cross streams in Europe. This doesn't bode well for X360 NPD Oct # (assuming Europe and US have similar result, which might not be the case).
 
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apujanata

Member
Seems that VGC data is very different from the Nintendo's source. Any thoughs on why this happen (other than the fact that VGC ended on Oct 18, while Nintendo ended on Oct 19)

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Week 42, Nintendo vs VGC :
X360 : 67,000 vs 73,318 (9% over)
PS3 : 52,000 vs 80,216 (50% over)
Wii : 117,000 vs 169,874 (45% over)

Such a big difference for PS3 and Wii is puzzling, to say the least.
 
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DarkMehm

Member
apujanata said:
Seems that VGC data is very different from the Nintendo's source. Any thoughs on why this happen (other than the fact that VGC ended on Oct 18, while Nintendo ended on Oct 19)

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Week 42, Nintendo vs VGC :
X360 : 67,000 vs 73,318 (9% over)
PS3 : 52,000 vs 80,216 (50% over)
Wii : 117,000 vs 169,874 (45% over)

Such a big difference for PS3 and Wii is puzzling, to say the least.
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I don't really want to defend that chartz site, but countries like Australia, Eastern Europe and all other countries in the world are included in those numbers. Doesn't make them any better though.
 
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Captain Smoker

Member
apujanata said:
Captain Smoker,

I noticed something odd about your X360 total.

When I input the monthly figure into spreadsheet, the YTD 2008 total I got is 1,417,000 , which is different than yours (1.556.000).

I think you are using the Week 1 - 42 as your total figure, while the monthly figure should use week 1 - 40 as total (since Jan to Sep only have 40 weeks, with Jan, March, June and September 08 having 5 weeks). Week 1 - 40 total is 1,417,000, while week 1 - 42 is 1,556,000. Since you are using Week 1 - 40 total for Wii and PS3 total, I think you should be consistent and also use Week 1 - 40 in your X360 total.

It is a pity that even with the significant price cut, X360 still didn't manage to cross streams in Europe. This doesn't bode well for X360 NPD Oct # (assuming Europe and US have similar result, which might not be the case).
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You're right, thx, I've selected too much cells in Excel. ^^

I've added Canada to the worldwide overview, but I don't have numbers for August and September.

-> = merged with the following month
? = no numbers

Code: 
[B][U]Wii[/U][/B]

Month	Europe		USA		Japan		Canada

Jan	383.000		274.000		542.982		38.500
Feb	399.000		432.000		288.359		->
Mar	512.000		721.000		268.720		123.500
Apr	575.000		714.200		210.851		57.000
May	536.000		675.089		208.778		34.500
June	605.000		666.700		224.245		64.500
July	483.000		555.000		164.704		58.000
Aug	478.000		453.000		162.470		?
Sep	548.000		687.000		144.379		?

Total	4.519.000	5.177.989	2.215.488	376.000


YTD:	12.288.477
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[B][U]Playstation 3[/U][/B]

Month	Europe		USA		Japan		Canada

Jan	315.000		269.000		217.366		31.900
Feb	180.000		280.800		69.202		->
Mar	306.000		257.120		71.325		->
Apr	242.000		187.071		34.954		82.600
May	218.000		208.700		33.995		23.350
June	245.000		405.488		138.835		39.000
July	145.000		225.000		43.911		29.500
Aug	181.000		185.353		39.861		?
Sep	250.000		232.400		40.033		?

Total	2.082.000	2.250.932	689.482		206.350


YTD:    5.228.764
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[B][U]Xbox 360[/U][/B]

Month	Europe		USA		Japan		Canada

Jan	164.000		230.000		29.361		24.700
Feb	82.000		254.600		10.096		->
Mar	191.000		262.000		9.041		->
Apr	176.000		188.000		5.231		63.600
May	188.000		186.600		6.678		->
June	147.000		219.800		16.878		40.700
July	119.000		205.000		18.315		25.000
Aug	128.000		195.200		38.995		?
Sep	222.000		347.200		62.571		?

Total	1.417.000	2.088.400	212.785		154.000	


YTD:    3.872.185



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[B][U]Market Comparison[/U][/B]

Month	Europe		USA		Japan		Canada

Jan	862.000		773.000		789.709		95.100
Feb	661.000		967.400		367.657		->
Mar	1.009.000	1.240.120	349.086		->
Apr	993.000		1.089.271	251.036		326.700
May	942.000		1.070.389	249.451		->
June	997.000		1.291.988	379.958		202.050
July	747.000		985.000		226.930		112.500
Aug	787.000		833.553		241.326		?
Sep	1.020.000	1.266.600	246.983		?

Total	8.018.000	9.517.321	3.102.136	736.350


YTD:	21.373.807
 
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apujanata

Member
DarkMehm said:
I don't really want to defend that chartz site, but countries like Australia, Eastern Europe and all other countries in the world are included in those numbers. Doesn't make them any better though.
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Well, if what you said is the cause (VGC others have more countries than Nintendo's others), I am really surprised that X360 is only 9% under, unlike PS3 and Wii which are around 50% under. If X360 is around 40% under, your explanation could be the logical explanation.

What is funny is that the original pixel counter come from VGC, and it helped prove that VGC own data is flawed. VGC debunked by VGC member :D

Psychotext said:
Can't be quoted enough, so I'm going to quote it three times....
Because VGC make up their numbers.
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Lol. I think the truth lies somewhere between "totally making up their numbers" and "totally accurate representative data alternative for Gfk". I wonder if VGC will do one of their world famous "change our data without notice" action using Nintendo's graph :D.
 
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Captain Smoker

Member
Handheld Europe 2008:

1 pixel = 1.024 units

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Code: 
Week	NDS		PSP

CW1	116.439		83.920
CW2	111.194		48.254
CW3	156.301		49.303
CW4	120.635		39.862
CW5	129.027		38.813
CW6	161.546		37.764
CW7	186.722		36.715
CW8	167.840		35.666
CW9	177.281		38.813
CW10	143.713		38.813
CW11	153.154		39.862
CW12	167.840		40.911
CW13	153.154		41.960
CW14	166.791		43.009
CW15	152.105		36.715
CW16	146.860		34.617
CW17	140.566		31.470
CW18	145.811		37.764
CW19	143.713		34.617
CW20	131.125		31.470
CW21	137.419		29.372
CW22	126.929		30.421
CW23	120.635		34.617
CW24	162.595		31.470
CW25	186.722		44.058
CW26	216.094		53.499
CW27	216.094		56.646
CW28	226.584		54.548
CW29	209.800		47.205
CW30	203.506		43.009
CW31	216.094		48.254
CW32	196.163		46.156
CW33	177.281		46.156
CW34	166.791		35.666
CW35	166.791		34.617
CW36	160.497		31.470
CW37	139.517		27.274
CW38	132.174		25.176
CW39	132.174		26.225
CW40	147.909		31.470
CW41	141.615		27.274
CW42	139.517		31.470

Total	6.694.718	1.656.371
 
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Captain Smoker

Member
Ok, here's the complete YTD comparison: Wii, PS3, 360, NDS, PSP & Total Market Comparison.


Code: 
[B][U]Wii[/U][/B]

Month	Europe		USA		Japan

Jan	383.000		274.000		542.982
Feb	399.000		432.000		288.359
Mar	512.000		721.000		268.720
Apr	575.000		714.200		210.851
May	536.000		675.089		208.778
June	605.000		666.700		224.245
July	483.000		555.000		164.704
Aug	478.000		453.000		162.470
Sep	548.000		687.000		144.379

Total	4.519.000	5.177.989	2.215.488


YTD:	11.912.477
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[B][U]Playstation 3[/U][/B]

Month	Europe		USA		Japan

Jan	315.000		269.000		217.366
Feb	180.000		280.800		69.202
Mar	306.000		257.120		71.325
Apr	242.000		187.071		34.954
May	218.000		208.700		33.995
June	245.000		405.488		138.835
July	145.000		225.000		43.911
Aug	181.000		185.353		39.861
Sep	250.000		232.400		40.033

Total	2.082.000	2.250.932	689.482


YTD:    5.022.414
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[B][U]Xbox 360[/U][/B]

Month	Europe		USA		Japan

Jan	164.000		230.000		29.361
Feb	82.000		254.600		10.096
Mar	191.000		262.000		9.041
Apr	176.000		188.000		5.231
May	188.000		186.600		6.678
June	147.000		219.800		16.878
July	119.000		205.000		18.315
Aug	128.000		195.200		38.995
Sep	222.000		347.200		62.571

Total	1.417.000	2.088.400	212.785


YTD:    3.718.185
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[B][U]Nintendo DS[/U][/B]

Month	Europe		USA		Japan

Jan	633.596		251.000		599.354
Feb	693.389		587.600		225.413
Mar	784.652		698.000		281.085
Apr	585.342		414.800		186.686
May	539.186		452.600		161.892
June	902.140		783.000		207.159
July	855.984		608.000		217.437
Aug	707.026		518.300		251.534
Sep	712.271		536.800		276.745

Total	6.413.586	4.850.100	2.407.305


YTD:	13.670.991
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[B][U]Playstation Portable[/U][/B]

Month	Europe		USA		Japan

Jan	260.152		230.000		544.777
Feb	148.958		243.115		262.131
Mar	204.555		216.458		422.358
Apr	140.566		192.700		364.423
May	125.880		182.300		296.855
June	220.290		337.400		301.342
July	193.016		222.000		259.655
Aug	162.595		253.000		212.182
Sep	141.615		238.100		145.008

Total	1.597.627	2.115.073	2.808.731


YTD:	6.521.431


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[B][U]Market Comparison[/U][/B]

Month	Europe		USA		Japan
					
Jan	1.755.748	1.254.000	1.933.840
Feb	1.503.347	1.798.115	855.201
Mar	1.998.207	2.154.578	1.052.529
Apr	1.718.908	1.696.771	802.145
May	1.607.066	1.705.289	708.198
June	2.119.430	2.412.388	888.459
July	1.796.000	1.815.000	704.022
Aug	1.656.621	1.604.853	705.042
Sep	1.873.886	2.041.500	668.736

Total	16.029.213	16.482.494	8.318.172


YTD:	40.829.879
 
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Rolf NB

Member
Copycat_Wannabe said:
So the European and American market is about the same size, that's interesting.
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Actually the home console market is a bit smaller (-16% in units), but the handheld market is bigger by just enough to make up for it if you sum them up.
 
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Copycat_Wannabe

Member
Europe sure is a growing market, it will be interesting to see just how big it can become the next 5-10 years.

The European market used to be treated like shit with games being released years after US/Japan, i don't think that will be the case much longer.
 
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DefectiveReject

Banned
jorma said:
Cool. But where do Nintendo get the numbers? Is it charttrack-numbers originally?
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where don't they get them should be the qustion you ask.
They have access to Chart-Track, GfK, retailers, distributors and many more...... i think they also use V.G.Charts!
 
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donny2112

Member
DefectiveReject said:
i think they also use V.G.Charts!
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DefectiveReject
Retard Defense Force: Captain Retard

Nintendo gets their internal figures for their own systems directly from retailers. i.e. Their internal figures are more accurate than NPD, MC, Famitsu, GfK, Chart-Track, etc.
 
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donny2112

Member
Psychotext said:
I very much doubt Nintendo does their own tracking of the sales of other companies (other than at a most basic level) when people like Chart Track / GFK can do it for them more cheaply, and more accurately.
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Yeah. I was just referring to their own system sales. :)
 
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jvm

Gamasutra.
I'll try to comment on this later, after I get an article finished on this stuff but you should pay careful attention to Nintendo's UK+DE+FR+ES YTD sales graph and the monthly/YTD figures Captain Smoker has pulled together. There appears to be an important multiplier (or more than one, I'm not sure yet).
 
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Captain Smoker

Member
I've calculated the Handheld hardware numbers for 2007 now.

2008: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13463013&postcount=63



1 pixel = 1,049 units

2007

26l.jpg


Code: 
Week	NDS		PSP

CW1	156.301		105.949
CW2	91.263		50.352
CW3	83.920		37.764
CW4	89.165		34.617
CW5	98.606		35.666
CW6	90.214		32.519
CW7	94.410		33.568
CW8	87.067		29.372
CW9	94.410		33.568
CW10	88.116		28.323
CW11	81.822		26.225
CW12	88.116		26.225
CW13	90.214		30.421
CW14	112.243		31.470
CW15	100.704		27.274
CW16	100.704		26.225
CW17	106.998		30.421
CW18	126.929		41.960
CW19	120.635		44.058
CW20	115.390		41.960
CW21	106.998		41.960
CW22	127.978		51.401
CW23	106.998		41.960
CW24	112.243		43.009
CW25	125.880		46.156
CW26	165.742		55.597
CW27	183.575		57.695
CW28	176.232		44.058
CW29	169.938		36.715
CW30	203.506		29.372
CW31	216.094		25.176
CW32	178.330		23.078
CW33	163.644		17.833
CW34	155.252		13.637
CW35	151.056		12.588
CW36	129.027		54.548
CW37	118.537		61.891
CW38	113.292		55.597
CW39	122.733		49.303
CW40	131.125		49.303
CW41	141.615		46.156
CW42	144.762		51.401

Total	5.261.784	1.656.371
 
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DefectiveReject

Banned
donny2112 said:
DefectiveReject
Retard Defense Force: Captain Retard

Nintendo gets their internal figures for their own systems directly from retailers. i.e. Their internal figures are more accurate than NPD, MC, Famitsu, GfK, Chart-Track, etc.
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I can't believe you think I was serious about them using VGC.
You're in need of that tag, not me. Sarcasm. Look it up one day.
 
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jvm

Gamasutra.
Dunno if you guys think it's worth its own thread. If so, I'll make one, but it's a busy day for me so... Someone else feels its worth it, go for it.

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/3841/the_mushroom_growth_plan_inside_.php

Note that Nintendo appears to be multiplying UK+DE+FR+ES sales by 1.4 (or 1.5) to get the full European sales. This is interesting, esp. given that they say in the handheld portion of their presentation that those markets represent 75-80% of the European market.

Will check back later, esp. to see if you guys found something I messed up.
 
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Psychotext

Member
jvm said:
Dunno if you guys think it's worth its own thread. If so, I'll make one, but it's a busy day for me so... Someone else feels its worth it, go for it...
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Found it interesting that the UK and France are still by far the biggest players in Europe for hardware sales.

Figures in the past have always hinted at the UK making up around 30% of the European total but it's interesting to see it apply for real... at least where the Wii is concerned.
 
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jvm

Gamasutra.
I only showed tie ratios at the 23-month mark, but I have a table for the first 23 months of each console. For the most part, the data I have from press reports jibe very well with the figures I computed from Nintendo's slides. This can be broken down as first-vs-third as you can see with my graph showing 2008 tie ratio by month for Wii.

Nintendo seems to multiply the UK+DE+FR+ES data by 1.35 to get its own complete Euro figures. The Xbox 360 and PS3 data are each multiplied by 1.5 to get full Euro data. I have no idea why the discrepancy, except that Nintendo may be 'correcting' the retail tracker data by taking into account its own shipment data.

I don't recall if it made it into the article, but for the Wii the category of "other America" (i.e. Americas without U.S.) appears to be pretty uniformly 20% of the full Americas market, for the data I have available. Put another way, Wii sales in all of the American contents appears to be 125% of the U.S. figure.

These are the kinds of things I found out going through the slides, and I wasn't able to do everything I wanted because of time constraints. They really are a treasure trove of information.
 
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