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What's the biggest drop in quality between a game and its immediate follow-up?
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Piston Hyundai
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Neversoft Tony Hawk games to Robomodo Tony Hawk games
I agree with this.
But my real answer is Ace Attorney Investigations 2 to Ace Attorney 5. My biggest disappointment in all of gaming, only game that's close to disappointing me as much is MGS5.
There were like 2 or 3 games in between
Laevateinn
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Phantasy Star 2 is great. It's a bit clunky and it sucks that there's no backgrounds in the battles but it has one of the best atmospheres in gaming, a good story and phenomenal character design. Some of the dungeons are a bit terrifying but they were meant to be mapped out by the player.
Solid answer.
While I think Mass Effect 1 is a better game than 2 personally, I can't see how anyone can say it had a drop in quality.
Mr_Antimatter
Member
I agree with all of these.
Hibiki Kurosawa
Member
First one that comes to mind is Final Fantasy XII to Final Fantasy XIII. From one of my favourite Final Fantasys to one of my least favourite Final Fantasys.
Well it's right to some people. ME2 was disliked by many compared to the first.
Well it's right to some people. ME2 was disliked by many compared to the first.
SoulUnison
Banned
I refuse.
I finished Mass Effect 1 thinking it was a game with a lot of potential but almost every edge was rough and it ended on a bit of a whimper.
Mass Effect 2 polished nearly everything that needed to be and had one of the most gripping endgames I've ever played.
Seriously. Pretty much everything from the Omega-4 Relay to the credits roll is sublime.
TheSpoiler
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You are insane if you think TTT isn't better than 3. It's far better in every direction besides the personal choice of not liking the Tag aspect. 3 was good for its time, but it doesn't hold a candle to TTT on any level besides maybe the music.
4? Now, that I can agree upon. Besides the obvious graphical overhaul, that game was straight ass and the most broken Tekken game of all time in the mainline series. Only redeeming thing was the music and Hei in a diaper.
People are expressing their perceived biggest drop in quality. Disappointingness is hardly an objective property, and is only quantifiable as the difference between expectations and reality.
They were invested in the formula created by a game, believed it could evolve to be even better, and deemed the follow up to have failed to reach this potential by a wide margin. If they have arguments to justify their feelings, who are you to say that they have to get real?
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Sonic Adventure 2 -> Sonic Heroes was where the decline began, but Heroes was still decent. Heroes -> Shadow, though? That's when you knew Sonic was dead.
I just replayed the Dark story on SA2, and yeah, it did age somewhat badly, but it's a legitimately good game with a story that's not too overbearing nor too cartoony. The Adventure games really captured the feel of the Genesis games, IMO, which may be an unpopular opinion. They started going way downhill afterwards.
I just replayed the Dark story on SA2, and yeah, it did age somewhat badly, but it's a legitimately good game with a story that's not too overbearing nor too cartoony. The Adventure games really captured the feel of the Genesis games, IMO, which may be an unpopular opinion. They started going way downhill afterwards.
Yuppp
Except I'd put Grandia II to Grandia Xtreme since that came out before III. Also bad. Either way, the Grandia series got fucked hard and never recovered.
Shame on Ubi for ruining the Lunar franchise with DS. They do a lot of shit, but it's really up there as one of the worst things they've ever done. Fuckers got the rights to one of the most beloved JRPG series of all time and they just played us all like a fiddle.
Here's some more JRPG related ones:
Phantasy Star II to III. I don't even think I need to explain this one.
Chrono Trigger to Cross. I know some people love Cross, but I tried replaying it and I just couldn't finish it. Got about halfway and lost all patience. Meanwhile, Trigger is still a classic.
A few more controversial ones IMO:
RE 4 to 5. I just felt like 5 lost the soul of 4. The gameplay was about the same, but it just didn't have that special something that 4 had for me.
Silent Hill 3 to 4 (The Room). I remember importing The Room all excited for a new SH game. And then it was garbage, in my opinion, or at least not a SH game. It was obviously a different game that was hastily repurposed into a SH game. It was very upsetting.
You could argue it was different than 1, which is a totally acceptable argument. But ME2 wasn't a bad game by any metric. DMC2 is irredemable shit and followed directly after 1, a stellar game.
SchrodingerC
Member
You could see what they wanted to do, but the execution was so poor it's difficult to complete the game. The DLC was a step up in quality though.
mrmickfran
Member
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Mass effect 2 to mass effect 3: the game was worse in pretty much every respect.
Dark souls 2 - Dark Souls 3: i haven't been back since the release basically, but the severe balance issues and what felt like very undertuned magic builds really killed the build variety and fun for me.
Dark souls 2 - Dark Souls 3: i haven't been back since the release basically, but the severe balance issues and what felt like very undertuned magic builds really killed the build variety and fun for me.
EmbersToAshes
Neo Member
Oblivion -> Skyrim
I don't know, I was just hideously disappointed. It wasn't so much mechanically poorer as it was just bland. The world never blew me away like Oblivion's did, and what they did to the guilds was horrendous. We went from fleshed out side stories in Oblivion to 'just there' lines that I plain didn't enjoy. There's not a single memorable quest in Skyrim, whereas the Dark Brotherhood and Thieves Guild lines in Oblivion are still some of the most fun I've had playing games. The murder mystery-esque DB quest was particularly brilliant. Skyrim lacked soul.
Saying that, I'll buy it again next week, because it's still better than anything else I've fucking played in forever.
I don't know, I was just hideously disappointed. It wasn't so much mechanically poorer as it was just bland. The world never blew me away like Oblivion's did, and what they did to the guilds was horrendous. We went from fleshed out side stories in Oblivion to 'just there' lines that I plain didn't enjoy. There's not a single memorable quest in Skyrim, whereas the Dark Brotherhood and Thieves Guild lines in Oblivion are still some of the most fun I've had playing games. The murder mystery-esque DB quest was particularly brilliant. Skyrim lacked soul.
Saying that, I'll buy it again next week, because it's still better than anything else I've fucking played in forever.
paragonpro
Banned
Not a drop in quality id say, but it went from a janky but ambitious in scale rpg, to a pretty good third person shooter. Which was dissapointing to me
Halo 4 to halo 5. From a campaign perspective. Halo 4 told a really great personal story that did amazing things for character development for the series. Halo 5 shat away all of that
Hibiki Kurosawa
Member
Yeah, but some people loved ME1 and hated ME2. To them that would be a a big drop in quality, so it's a valid answer.
Would WRPG fans agree with Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind -> The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion?
I haven't played either extensively, but Morrowind struck me as much more unique and imaginative. Oblivion had much more forgettable, generic, smaller fantasy world. Despite the combat being slightly improved in Oblivion I would much rather return to Morrowind than Cyrodiil. I wouldn't say Oblivion is a bad game, but it failed to capture my imagination nearly as much as Morrowind and I played both at roughly the same time.
I haven't played either extensively, but Morrowind struck me as much more unique and imaginative. Oblivion had much more forgettable, generic, smaller fantasy world. Despite the combat being slightly improved in Oblivion I would much rather return to Morrowind than Cyrodiil. I wouldn't say Oblivion is a bad game, but it failed to capture my imagination nearly as much as Morrowind and I played both at roughly the same time.
breakfuss
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Absolutely not. We're discussing only quality, and ME2 is almost polished to a fault. ME1 remains my favorite but that doesn't mean it didn't have a lot of deficiencies.
There's only ever one answer to this one.
Yup. It's this and DMC2
Sword Of Doom
Member
I don't like Dark Souls 2 so that would be my choice
Hotline Miami 2 is another one
Hotline Miami 2 is another one
Rexatality
Member
Fine, fine, I'll go with a different answer. Sheesh >_>
Fallout: New Vegas to Fallout 4. I hoped Bethesda would learn a few things from New Vegas, but I was too naive to believe that.
EmbersToAshes
Neo Member
Heh, I think TES is just divisive. Personally, Oblivion is the best game I've ever played, and Skyrim fell a long way short. Morrowind was fun but it just played far too clunkily for me to really sink my teeth into.
Super Monkey Ball 2 -> Banana Blitz
Or 2 -> Adventure if that counts. Though that one actually isn't as bad as Banana Blitz despite Adventure's bad reception. The single player was just sort of bland moreso than anything, it still had some fun minigames. Though its technical performance was awful for some reason.
Or 2 -> Adventure if that counts. Though that one actually isn't as bad as Banana Blitz despite Adventure's bad reception. The single player was just sort of bland moreso than anything, it still had some fun minigames. Though its technical performance was awful for some reason.
Mega Caprison
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Minty_Fishbowl
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Metal Gear Solid 3 to 4 seems fitting.
The sad part is MGS4's gameplay is pretty fantastic...for the 30 minutes worth of actual gameplay in the game.
The sad part is MGS4's gameplay is pretty fantastic...for the 30 minutes worth of actual gameplay in the game.
iceblade997
Member
This. Considering what they were going with DA:O ("spiritual successor to Baldur's Gate") and what DA2 turned out to be, it was a really bad downturn.
IrishNinja
Member
Zombies Ate My Neighbors to Ghoul Patrol
latter's not even that bad, just ain't ZAMN
tempted to say ToeJam & Earl/Panic on Funkotron, cause Panic is neat but way to ditch a cool roguelike, man
nahhh, i mean RE6 sucks butt but 5 wasn't so great, the real drop was 4 to 5. and MGS V is way better than 4 too
latter's not even that bad, just ain't ZAMN
tempted to say ToeJam & Earl/Panic on Funkotron, cause Panic is neat but way to ditch a cool roguelike, man
nahhh, i mean RE6 sucks butt but 5 wasn't so great, the real drop was 4 to 5. and MGS V is way better than 4 too
giant_frying_pan
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Rainbow Six 3/Black Arrow -> Rainbow Six 4 Lockdown.
Any other answer is wrong.
Any other answer is wrong.
DecoReturns
Member
The sequel to Shadow Dragon is way better then Awakening. It just looks really ugly. Radiant Dawn is better Gameplay wise, but the story is a little bloated and Part 4 and last is a little silly.
I say Pokemon Sapphire to Diamond/Pearl. its the most disappointing to me and theres worst examples then this
BlueDogAnchorite
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FFVII to FFVIII
Different direction and more streamlining, sure.
Big drop in quality? Are you ill?
For me it's Metroid Prime 3 to Other M
Dragon Age to Dragon Age II