NoblesseOblige
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Google trends show Tupac generates more queries than Cobain.
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Which death impacted the music world more.. Kurt Cobain or Tupac Shakur?
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What did he mean by this?
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Suicide creates them pyschological rifts while murder is more political. Hmm, gotta go with Cobain
No, the English language says it doesn't.
Your statement can be verified as false. It is not subjective. To turn it subjective your statement would have had to have been:
"I'd say Kurt. Nirvana is still played and referenced to this day. I only hear about Tupac in reference to the circumstances of his death it seems."
And no one would have batted an eye at that.
On-Topic:
'Pac's death lead to Biggie's death. Both of them had a major impact on the direction of rap and hip-hop.
Kurt's genre died without him.
Take that for what you will.
Angelus Errare
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Tupac.
PHOENIXZERO
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Kurt's genre is what lead to rock's direction for the last 23 years since his death.
Tupac would probably be doing more acting than rapping for a while now.
torre_avenue
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This is definitely going to be split along whether you're a rap or a rock person.
Randolph Freelander
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They're only searching the circumstances of his death it seems.
But anyway...
At the time, 2pac's death affected me more, as I was a huge fan of his music. He was probably my favorite rapper at the time (the other candidate being Snoop), I was a total mark and took his (and Death Row's) side in the war with Bad Boy Entertainment, and all of that. When he died, I was devastated. That said, I was also a fan of Nirvana and was impacted by Cobain's death, but 2pac's hit more more.
These days, I still listen to Nirvana but not 2pac, because I stopped listening to rap laced with obscenities somewhere not long after the turn of the century, so it's just not in my rotation since very little of 2pac's work was particularly clean.
As for the world? Who knows where their careers would have gone. 2pac would have produced much more music than Cobain, based on their outputs prior to their deaths, that much seems certain at least.
burn this down
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It's Pac. After his death he transcended celebrity and became almost a sort of modern day folk hero. A character representative of an ideal. One seems almost larger than life, treated with a ton of reverence. Cobain was important, but no one's going to be having a post-mortem interview with him or actively discussing his legacy.
Feel free to produce charts and graphs letting me know that my personal opinion is wrong. I would get much enjoyment out of that. Again-it's a difference of opinion - there's no need to be upset about it.
Well there is this too.
I think you're overestimating Grunge's influence a bit there.
I am not debating your opinion. Your original statement was not one of opinion. That is why everyone found it ridiculous. I am trying to help you avoid such mistakes in the future, but you are too ridiculously defensive to listen.
MiloHoffman
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none, John Lenon
TheTylerRob
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Tupac's music is by Tupac.
Kurt Cobain's music is by Nirvana.
So should we add the Nirvana searches to Kurt Cobain?
Obviously we need to go deeper on this important science.
NoblesseOblige
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Nirvana is a religious/philosophical concept. Can't rely on adding that.
Edit: apparently you can specify the band - but then the results are empty.
Well I wasn't asking for your help-but you've done enough work derailing the thread-so have a good night and I hope you enjoy the rest of the conversation about the music. Here's hoping you get what you want out of the thread.
TheTylerRob
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and who says Tupac isn't huh?
NoctisVsStar
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NoblesseOblige
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Aren't there all sorts of murder theories about Cobain too?
Edit: Apparently there's even Cobain is still alive theories.
Depends what demographics, where you live. Tupac death hit a lot of hip hop and rap fans hard. Also lead to death of Notorious BIG. Kurt Cobain suicide hurt the grunge scene totally, and influenced Dave Grohl to continue etc. I see Tupac remembered more. I mean you have holograms of him made, hear his songs played on radio. Can't remember last time I heard Smells like teen spirit or a Nirvana song played on radio, but I heard Changes and California Love this month on the radio. I do think had Kurt Cobain not killed himself so early into his popularity he would have been remembered far more. Though Tupac and BIG deaths made people like Jay Z and Diddy and Snoop and others leaders of the hip hop and rap scenes. I think had Nirvana survived longer, rock would have remained at the forefront of American culture longer too.
Both are apple and orange deaths as well. Kurt was yet another death in a line of musician suicides/self harm deaths. Tupac was killed in a shooting.
Both are apple and orange deaths as well. Kurt was yet another death in a line of musician suicides/self harm deaths. Tupac was killed in a shooting.
Randolph Freelander
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I mean, we all know Courtney Love did it.
Google trends literally does not want you to make this comparison.
I can put in Nirvana and specify rock band on the front page and get results.
Then when I add Tupac it gives me results for Tupac, but makes Nirvana's disappear.
NoblesseOblige
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I'm going to push my new theory that Cobain and Tupac are both still alive and in a polygamous relationship with Elvis.
Well Cobain shooting himself killed grunge as a whole and made an entire generation of boring white suburban kids worship him like some kind of prophet so I guess Cobain. Pac's death was a cataclysm (and his actual music was far, far more important and influential) but his death wasn't mythologised and fetishized to the extent that Cobain's was.
Cobain and Nivana created a liminal point in music. They were already on one side (with some others), but, caused a shift of everyone else. For almost 20 years there was an inexorable march of glam rock until Nevermind hit. Not only did he kill off glam rock to the point of making it a niche at best; he also nearly killed off the 1980's new wave which didn't make a resurgence into mainstream pop music until about 20 years later.
In one stroke Cobain and Nirvana irrevocably changed music forever.
In one stroke Cobain and Nirvana irrevocably changed music forever.
IrishNinja
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doesn't this entirely hinge on your genre of choice? both deaths were tremendous
Angelus Errare
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Imagine if they did a Smells Like Teen Spirit remix together.
NoblesseOblige
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Maybe. Though I like Nirvana's output more than Tupac's, yet I think Tupac will have a greater impact on music overall, if he hasn't already.
Mass Appeal
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Not for me. I lived in and around parts of LA when I was in college and Tupac was played on radio heavily. Even to this day living south of LA, Orange County specifically, I hear way more Tupac then Nirvana on radio and I listen to both types of music radio.
TheTylerRob
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Randolph Freelander
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Google "2pac Nirvana Still ballin'"
I live in San Antonio and it ain't even close here.
sankt-Antonio
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Well,one revolutionized and revitalized a genre and could be named the most important musician of the 90s, the other needed help from Dr Dre to kickstart his career. So ....
Its Kurt 
PHOENIXZERO
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You're right, it was probably like 15 years from when grunge broke out but grunge still influenced a generation to pick up a guitar and was pretty much the last "revolution" of rock.
Exactly. Apples and oranges comparison.
sankt-Antonio
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Who actually sold more records and had more number one singles ? That, in the 90s, should be a much better indicator of social relevancy then Google hits 25 years after their Death.
interestingly they are both mostly tied at around 75-77 million records sold
Randolph Freelander
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This part's a joke, right?