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Why do Nazis get free speech apologetics while BLM gets finger wags?
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Jmanunknown
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Your part of the moderate aren't you? You may also be one of those people where racism is quantum locked for them.
MagnaderAlpha
Member
Yeah, the whole, "Wait your turn, buddy. It'll come..." spiel.
POC wait, from young people wanting a nation that promotes freedom and liberty to to extend equality to them, years go by and those people bring children in this world, watch them grow up and see them suffer the ways they did. These people grow old and see that the span of a man's life was not long enough to wait until that "turn". All the while white folk don't have to deal with that shit. They can do anything, live anywhere, and be accepted by other white folks with smiles and welcoming handshakes. A POC moves to these places and people are wondering if trouble's follow them, SIMPLY BECAUSE of the color of their skin.
Lil'DigiOp
Member
MagnaderAlpha
Member
If you have no idea, you shouldn't say anything stupid.
Angelus Errare
Banned
RIP Nana Ruth, late for her new job she died of a broken heart in the back of an ambulance on her way to the hospital.
Yeah, and this thread in particular is infuriating. People care more about being inconvenienced than black people dying.
PixelatedBookake
Junior Member
People on one side really want to be considered equal and not be killed on the street by a government-sanctioned hit squad. People on the other side really want everyone who isn't white (or their idea of white) dead. What about that is equal to you?
Alligatorjandro
Banned
Nazi threads in gaf sure are fun these days
Tangled Up in Blue
Banned
Which side has the extremists that kill people again? I get confused . . .
I'm an extremist cancer curer. Muahahahahahahahaaaaaa!
If you want to stick with the 1950s and 1960s era civil rights movement, the iconic image of that era is the 1963 march on Washington, which was orderly, planned in advance, and mostly utilized public spaces. (I'm admittedly counting "public space" pretty liberally here, because I think it should be expected that roads around the national mall and monuments are going to be rightly called upon to serve as speech venues more often than a random bridge or highway -- this was more like a parade than a protest, to use another poster's terminology).
Much more recently, the US went from sodomy-is-illegal-in-a-bunch-of-states to gay-marriage-is-legal-everywhere almost entirely through reasoned persuasion, court decisions, and a quiet but complete reversal of public opinion, not taking it to the streets.
Again, this isn't to say that civil disobedience is always and everywhere wrong, or never necessary. That would be stupid. But it's demonstrably false to say that it's the only way society ever changes.
smokeandmirrors
Banned
man it must be so great not having to pick a side on anything ever.
Lightning_Roller
Banned
No, ignorance. It is the only way. That thick skull of yours ain't letting that fact sink in.
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
Prototype Viktor
Member
You know what also blocked traffic the Boston bus riots caused by white people upset that black kids were getting bussed to "their" schools
PixelatedBookake
Junior Member
Shitty people have probably been killed by cancer so.....
America has had hundreds of years to stop killing black people, and yet here we are.
Just wait it out, black folks!
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
Don't get used to that.
A LOT of people still unhappy about it, biding their time. It'll simmer and simmer and simmer and then BOOM Trump
You seem to know literally nothing about how gay marriage got legalized in America.
They are unshackled right now because of all this shit in the past few months. Expect it to get much worse before it's better.
MHWilliams
Member
The March of Washington was preceded and followed by years of disruptive protests, many by King himself and did not mark the end of the Civil Rights movement. It also took years to set up as a concept and months as a reality.
It's worth noting that government and other major organizations were so afraid of the potential fallout from the march that the entire march had extra-level precautions.
The large number of people and Kennedy's desire not to have a problem actually gave the protest organizers leverage over the government.
Essentially, the disruption is one due to the size of the protest.
There is, largely, no real thing as a non-disruptive protest.
Also:
Stonewall and more say "hi".
PixelatedBookake
Junior Member
Lol it can get worse? Damn my two decades of being a black man in America has really been privileged in the grand scheme of things...
googleplex
Member
Or about the civil rights movement! Motherfuckers think MLK made a speech and the white power structure went "OK" and ended Jim crow.
You have any ideal how ACTUALLY violent the civil rights moment was?! How many black people were beaten, killed and raped on that road?
Fuck your revisionist history!
White supremacists are unshackled right now in the way you describe.
White supremacy has been ingrained in the structure of this country for a few hundred years. It's not new in the slightest and ignoring its history doesn't make it doesn't go away no matter how much The Good Colorblind Liberal/Moderate would like it to.
Alligatorjandro
Banned
People must still forget they still killed MLK
I literally just googled "LGBT take it to the streets gay marriage" and look what popped up.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/11/08/same.sex.protests/index.html?_s=PM:US
Weren't you the little cunt bag that tried to link the racial profiling of Asian customers to scalpers? Maybe you were like to understand more about freedom of speech before throwing it out there as a shield and of course I am not defended Nazis but here's reasons why Nazi are being defending. So transparent...
Ninja Scooter
Member
This is the part where he declares he's leaving the thread because everyone is piling on and accusing him of being a bigot or something.
Evening Musuko
Black Korea
There were plenty of "peaceful" and "non-disruptive" protests during the civil rights movement.
You know what happened to the protesters?
The police shot them and sic their dogs at them. The firefighters sprayed them with high pressure water. Those at sit in in restaurants were yelled at by angry racist white people and had food and drinks thrown at them. Protesters were stalked and killed and the police were more concerned about protecting and serving white supremacy than the protesters.
If anything, the civil rights movement should teach you that even if you are as peaceful and non-disruptive you can be, protesting against the status quo can, and will get violent.
It's funny, you have no idea how the modern gay rights movement in the United States started.
Messofanego
Banned
Right. So what were the Stonewall riots about?
All those peaceful LGBT Pride parades you have now? LGBT people being open now instead of assimilating and passing as normal before? They have Stonewall riots to thank for.
They are widely considered to constitute the single most important event leading to the gay liberation movement[2][3][4] and the modern fight for LGBT rights in the United States.[5][6]
Gay Americans in the 1950s and 1960s faced an anti-gay legal system.[note 2][7] Early homophile groups in the U.S. sought to prove that gay people could be assimilated into society, and they favored non-confrontational education for homosexuals and heterosexuals alike. The last years of the 1960s, however, were very contentious, as many social/political movements were active, including the Civil Rights Movement, the counterculture of the 1960s, and the anti-Vietnam War movement. These influences, along with the liberal environment of Greenwich Village, served as catalysts for the Stonewall riots.
Very few establishments welcomed openly gay people in the 1950s and 1960s. Those that did were often bars, although bar owners and managers were rarely gay. At the time, the Stonewall Inn was owned by the Mafia.[8][9] It catered to an assortment of patrons and was known to be popular among the poorest and most marginalized people in the gay community: drag queens, transgender people, effeminate young men, butch lesbians, male prostitutes, and homeless youth. Police raids on gay bars were routine in the 1960s, but officers quickly lost control of the situation at the Stonewall Inn. They attracted a crowd that was incited to riot. Tensions between New York City police and gay residents of Greenwich Village erupted into more protests the next evening, and again several nights later. Within weeks, Village residents quickly organized into activist groups to concentrate efforts on establishing places for gays and lesbians to be open about their sexual orientation without fear of being arrested.
After the Stonewall riots, gays and lesbians in New York City faced gender, race, class, and generational obstacles to becoming a cohesive community. Within six months, two gay activist organizations were formed in New York, concentrating on confrontational tactics, and three newspapers were established to promote rights for gays and lesbians. Within a few years, gay rights organizations were founded across the U.S. and the world. On June 28, 1970, the first gay pride marches took place in New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco[10] and Chicago commemorating the anniversary of the riots. Similar marches were organized in other cities. Today, Gay Pride events are held annually throughout the world toward the end of June to mark the Stonewall riots.[11] The Stonewall National Monument was established at the site in 2016.[12]
Gay Americans in the 1950s and 1960s faced an anti-gay legal system.[note 2][7] Early homophile groups in the U.S. sought to prove that gay people could be assimilated into society, and they favored non-confrontational education for homosexuals and heterosexuals alike. The last years of the 1960s, however, were very contentious, as many social/political movements were active, including the Civil Rights Movement, the counterculture of the 1960s, and the anti-Vietnam War movement. These influences, along with the liberal environment of Greenwich Village, served as catalysts for the Stonewall riots.
Very few establishments welcomed openly gay people in the 1950s and 1960s. Those that did were often bars, although bar owners and managers were rarely gay. At the time, the Stonewall Inn was owned by the Mafia.[8][9] It catered to an assortment of patrons and was known to be popular among the poorest and most marginalized people in the gay community: drag queens, transgender people, effeminate young men, butch lesbians, male prostitutes, and homeless youth. Police raids on gay bars were routine in the 1960s, but officers quickly lost control of the situation at the Stonewall Inn. They attracted a crowd that was incited to riot. Tensions between New York City police and gay residents of Greenwich Village erupted into more protests the next evening, and again several nights later. Within weeks, Village residents quickly organized into activist groups to concentrate efforts on establishing places for gays and lesbians to be open about their sexual orientation without fear of being arrested.
After the Stonewall riots, gays and lesbians in New York City faced gender, race, class, and generational obstacles to becoming a cohesive community. Within six months, two gay activist organizations were formed in New York, concentrating on confrontational tactics, and three newspapers were established to promote rights for gays and lesbians. Within a few years, gay rights organizations were founded across the U.S. and the world. On June 28, 1970, the first gay pride marches took place in New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco[10] and Chicago commemorating the anniversary of the riots. Similar marches were organized in other cities. Today, Gay Pride events are held annually throughout the world toward the end of June to mark the Stonewall riots.[11] The Stonewall National Monument was established at the site in 2016.[12]
Lightning_Roller
Banned
Considering he's been silent since his last post, I'm waiting for it.
Yes, I know about Stonewall. It was before my time (I'm 45), which is sort of my point. As recently as 2004, gay marriage was a winning political issues for social conservatives. Stonewall occurred over three decades earlier, so it's kind of hard to argue that that's the thing that turned the tide for marriage equality. And of course, it would be silly to say that no pro-gay rights person every protested between 2004 and 2015 (picking Obergefell as the "moment of victory" here). But that's not clearly not causal. What was causal was millions of gay people coming out of the closet, living their lives, and showing the rest of the country that equality is the right thing.
(I understand at this point people are going to respond with "Well, people came out of the closet because of Stonewall, et. al. That's one that I'm going to just leave in agree-to-disagree territory. My experience with gay rights is that this is one where people became enlightened nearly overnight, mainly by reason).
Most concise explanation in the whole thread.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Messofanego
Banned
Give your disagreement with how the violent Stonewall riots were not the instrumental event for gay rights. What do you mean "mainly by reason"?
polyh3dron
Banned
this this this this this.
such a goddamn contrast between how our current president addresses the opiate crisis, and how reagan addressed the crack epidemic in the 80s. it's fucking sickening.
Really interested to hear how it happened "nearly overnight."
Which night was this?
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
What the actual fuck! Nazis absolutely shouldn't be protected.
I tried to give it in the post you quoted. Stonewall was ancient history by the time the needle moved on marriage equality. It's extremely difficult to argue that a widely-supported 2015 court decision was driven mainly by a 1969 riot.
When I say "mainly by reason," I'm trying to get at two things simultaneously. First, a lot of people who just sort of uncritically accepted marriage-is-between-a-man-and-a-woman in 2004 actually stopped and thought about it and realized that there's no good logical case for that proposition. The other thing, which is really more empathy than reason, is that as gay folks came out of the closet, a lot of straight people observed through their own lived experience that gays aren't evil or depraved of whatever. They're regular people who just want to live their lives on their own terms, and once you realize that, most straight people realized that it's not just intellectually incorrect but cruel to deprive them of equal rights under the law. The important thing about both of those dynamics is that neither one had anything to do with civil disobedience.
Lightning_Roller
Banned
Hell the fuck no!! What are you smoking!?! One is literally talking about genocide of a race, I repeat: what are you smoking!?!
Mammoth Jones
Member
But they're WHITE!!!
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
I was getting a few laughs out of this thread but now I'm just sad again.
Maybe things will be better for our great grandchildren, after America is rebuilt, colonized, and split into smaller more manageable sections by actually functioning nations
Maybe things will be better for our great grandchildren, after America is rebuilt, colonized, and split into smaller more manageable sections by actually functioning nations
Lightning_Roller
Banned
Yeah, maybe like a few centuries from now. And even that's being optimistic.
I feel like they'll probably still have worse lives just because of all the radiation