To be honest, Konami of America never has. They have treated the Suikoden series like garbage. Remember the terrible Suikoden I box art? KoA has always had truly shitty graphic design, including Suikoden V and even the Metal Gear series, but Suiko I takes the cake.Metalic said:
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Why is Suikoden II still not on PSN?
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Except that came out at the tail end of the period where "americanizing" covers was still the thing to do, and I doubt they collectively don't care or anything. At worse it's probably some of the execs not caring for a nice, polished release, and even then that hasn't been an issue past the second game.ctrayne said:
In this case though, yeah, I think they're just assholes. Note how seemingly only their most popular games (and, uhh, Threads of Fate) managed to surface there, there's no SaGa Frontier, Bushido Blade, or Tobal either.TheSeks said:
sixteen-bit
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They noticed how the vastly superior R-Type Delta was already on the service, and out of fear of having their boring sacred cow of a shooting game torn apart they decided against it.TheSeks said:
decoyplatypus
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Dark Schala said:
Annalee's song and "Passione commouve la storia" always bummed me out. I never knew about the chant for the final duel. I think I actually prefer silence for that scene. Major story spoilers:
Not that the chant is bad, but it resonates with the mythological significance of the fight when the focus ought to be on what the duel means for Riou and Jowy personally
Not talking about the artwork, but the actual graphic design. Typefaces, color usage, spacing/margins, quality of the written text, microscopic screenshots on the spine, cheap black and white manuals, etc. They are really, really bad about it. Very cheesy stuff. Someone there doesn't understand basic principles of design.Syril said:
"Tragedy and Destiny Intertwine Surrounding the Legendary Sun Rune!" doesn't have the same ring to it as "I'll take back what's mine" (the JP slogan of Suikoden V if I recall).
Also, the official strategy guide for SV has a really messed up description for Oboro. Look it up, it looks like lyrics to a song or something. They let stuff like that slide all the time.
Edit: to be fair, until recently, and even now sometimes, graphic design on game boxes leaned towards ugly. But some of KoA's stuff is really bad. The back of MGS1's box was the polar opposite of it's minimalistic front.
Sapphire Dreams
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Believe me, Box arts are the least of their problems.ctrayne said:
I agree, but if you can't even put a good face on for the world to see, then the inside is probably rotten, too. That's my point.Metalic said:
If it looks cheap on the shelf, people won't even look at it. Same rules apply for DVDs, food, headphones, etc. I felt like KoA never took pride in Suikoden.Sapphire Dreams
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Which is kind of odd, since Box arts help market the game, shitty box arts can scare people away.ctrayne said:I agree, but if you can't even put a good face on for the world to see, then the inside is probably rotten, too. That's my point.
Absolutely. Public perception is important. It won't make or break sales, but it will help or hinder.Metalic said:
Here's what effective pack art should look like. This too.
Luckily, Suikoden has always had strong artwork at least.
Sorry for the slight tangent.
Dark Schala
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But you're dressed as Beatrix! You can fight back... :OGravijah said:
Fumi Ishikawa is one of my favourite artists. <3ctrayne said:
TheBanditKing
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Because they have to save something for the Vita's PSN debut....
You know, I actually forgot how horrible this box was. It actually deterred me from playing it before I found out more about the game.
B.K. said:American boxart:
You know, I actually forgot how horrible this box was. It actually deterred me from playing it before I found out more about the game.
TheBanditKing said:
Sadly enough, it scared me away too. This was before message boards, hype machines, and really even gaming mags for me. I eventually rented it because I played every RPG back in those days (even Beyond the Beyond!) and I never looked back afterwards.
Of course, outside of a little time spent on GAF and CAG, I am without all those things again.
Dark Schala
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I blew the allowance I had been saving up for a game before summer vacation for Beyond the Beyond when I was younger because I liked the boxart.Yanksfan said:
I beat it twice even though I didn't like it. -_-
My dad bought Suikoden I for me because he thought it was going to be like DragonLance based on the cover (which my cousins got me into at the time), lol. I ended up asking him to buy Suikoden II for me when he took me to the store to buy a game because in addition to liking the first one, I really liked the cover art. :3
TheSeks said:
Square Enix hates pennies. In their mind, that business is pennies. I know this because we approached them to get the license for PSN for the Taito games we did (Taito is part of the borg now) at WD. Weren't interested. In the least. Even though they would have to do nothing but collect a quarterly check. It's a business they don't seem to care about. (Shrug)
RelentlessRolento
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never played II, and thus same reason why I want it on PSN.
The PSN release of Suikoden I was the first time I played it and I enjoyed it even with me not playing much RPGs nowadays... been dying to play II ever since beating I and how much people say II is great.
The PSN release of Suikoden I was the first time I played it and I enjoyed it even with me not playing much RPGs nowadays... been dying to play II ever since beating I and how much people say II is great.
Dark Schala
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You see it in the first 30-60 minutes out of a possible 30-40 hours depending on your pacing?Cruzader said:
If you were being serious, I'm so sorry. I can't tell if people are being serious with all these plot spoilers lately.
I can't tell if people are being serious with all these plot spoilers lately.
This is one of the very few, rare cases where the fact there is not a PSN release yet both makes me mad and dumbfounded at the same time. I bought Suikoden 1 as soon as it went up and evidently so did a lot of other people.
I've been fortunate enough to get to play the first several hours of the 2nd game and I can honestly say this is one of the very rare once in a blue moon cases where the enormous hype surrounding it is justified. It's a great game with a story that for some reason pulls you in right away. From a narrative standpoint 2 is a gigantic step forward from the first game.
I'd read last year in a few places both Sony and Konami were extremely happy with how well 1 sold digitally, and that Konami was only too happy to put the 2nd game up but that the ball is in Sony's court now so it's up to them when and if it happens.
The insane asking prices for the game on Ebay sicken me, this is one of the few must experience games that everyone deserves to play and these fools want upwards of 200 dollars for a copy in good condition. Just put it up already Sony, 10 bucks is a much more fair price that will finally allow people to experience this game.
I cannot deny they are doing a much much better job with PS1 games on PSN. A lot of games that should have been there a long time ago have finally gone up but there's still a ways to go, since at least several more big ones have yet to show up on there. I think the Import section is a great idea and I do keep hoping some RPGs will end up there but I'm thinking they are going to stick to games that require little or no reading in order to play.
I've been fortunate enough to get to play the first several hours of the 2nd game and I can honestly say this is one of the very rare once in a blue moon cases where the enormous hype surrounding it is justified. It's a great game with a story that for some reason pulls you in right away. From a narrative standpoint 2 is a gigantic step forward from the first game.
I'd read last year in a few places both Sony and Konami were extremely happy with how well 1 sold digitally, and that Konami was only too happy to put the 2nd game up but that the ball is in Sony's court now so it's up to them when and if it happens.
The insane asking prices for the game on Ebay sicken me, this is one of the few must experience games that everyone deserves to play and these fools want upwards of 200 dollars for a copy in good condition. Just put it up already Sony, 10 bucks is a much more fair price that will finally allow people to experience this game.
I cannot deny they are doing a much much better job with PS1 games on PSN. A lot of games that should have been there a long time ago have finally gone up but there's still a ways to go, since at least several more big ones have yet to show up on there. I think the Import section is a great idea and I do keep hoping some RPGs will end up there but I'm thinking they are going to stick to games that require little or no reading in order to play.
Takamura-San
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_dementia said:
Came to post this.
this is a crime. Why hasn't no one fan localized this?
The collection looks gorgeous.
airmangataosenai
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Haha, this is the first thing I thought after I finished the first game back in January.....
Takamura-San
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I would rather someone patch the PSP game.
It looks so much better and has diagonals and 16:9.
It baffles me that no-one has decided to take on patching this version of the game.
It looks so much better and has diagonals and 16:9.
It baffles me that no-one has decided to take on patching this version of the game.
â Narayan
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I ask this question every time I turn my PS3 on.
Dark Schala
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I agree. The scenario is more poignant due to the silence.Drkirby said:
The other audio glitches are a bit of a shame, though.
Hours Left
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When Annallee started singing Orizzonte at HQ my third time through the game, I was shocked. It's really too bad that they didn't catch that in the quality control, (which must of been pretty light, unfortunately) it would of made her recruitment so much more interesting.Dark Schala said:
I'm pretty sure there are fans to this day that don't know you can actually hear her sing.
Gunloc said:
I'm pretty sure that Annalee doesn't sing Orizzonte at the HQ -- she sings Due Fiumi. I remember stumbling upon that one completely by accident and being totally shocked by the inclusion of an actual song in the game, in a totally optional situation. It's so weird that her recruitment song didn't make it, but this one did.
XANDER CAGE
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B.K. said:
I dunno about you guys, but I think that looks baller as hell.
H.Protagonist
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Gunloc said:
Nooooooo! I LOVED the Matilda glitch! If you could survive that first fight, everything was golden. (level up +100!) (^_^)
That said, I would totally work on this. ;_; I'm still under the charm of playing it 15 years ago, but if they required a re-trans I would love to work on it (personally speaking).
Dark Schala
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I remember recruiting her on my first playthrough, with the options being "I'd like to hear you sing some more" or "it's not much, but please take it", and not knowing what I had to say since I didn't hear a song being sung. I thought there was something wrong with my game back then.Gunloc said:
Imagine my further surprise when I passed by the stage and she sang Due Fiumi, which ended up being one of my favourite vocal songs on the soundtrack.
I use the Matilda glitch every time I play through it now, lol.H.Protagonist said:
H.Protagonist
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Dark Schala said:
Maybe it was just my kid brain, but all the omissions felt really poignant at the time. I 'imagined' her singing in that initial audio glitch, and it elevated the moment somehow. Yeah there were a lot of issues about the game, but they kind of made it for me when I was a kid.
As for the Matilda glitch... SCORE. I found it out by accident and the thrill/terror of trying to survive that first fight is still fresh in my memories even now.
It would be lovely to play again... I listen to the Greenhill song while I'm working pretty often these days. Greenhill Theme
Hours Left
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Greenhill! My favorite town.H.Protagonist said:
PumpkinPie
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OP, go and check out the EU store, then come back and see me. We've got like five fucking RPGs on there
Man God said:
Maybe they really are attempting a boots-up makeover and looking at all the pennies they pooh-poohed in the past? Haven't talked to them about licensing for a year or so, but my impression is that, these releases aside, they haven't really changed their attitude much.