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[OrangeGrayBlue]

Something tells me there are obvious reasons this would be a bad idea that I'm overlooking, but I feel like both new countries would be able to govern a lot more efficiently if they weren't in a constant push-pull over which direction to lead. My gut tells me this new South USA would become an impoverished pseudo-theocracy, but that's what they're voting for so that's what they'll end up with. I get that letting the south do what it wants may come across as, like, a human rights violation to some, but as long as democracy is held intact you can't be upset that people are choosing to cut taxes and restrict rights to their detriment.


To be specific, I'm talking about Arkansas, Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Kentucky and Tennessee being made into their own country.


So, what say you gaf? Why not push for something like this?

 

[waypoetic]

It would, like on the first day, turn into a theocracy.

 

[HK-47]

Let the Texas and Florida economies secede? lol

 

[FlowersisBritish]

So i've thought about this before, and I think this would be good for the North. The new South would be a terrible place to live for a lot of people! Way worse than before. But the New North would be a little radder and probably move on sociopolitical issues a lot quicker and more progressively. But let's be real. Obama with his hard on for Abe Lincoln(to be fair who doesn't have a hard on for Lincoln he was pretty ridiculous and great) wouldn't let them darn confederates secede.

 

[Zoned]

Give Texas and Florida to mexico or Canada please.

 

[ClosingADoor]

Does the majority in the south even want something like that?

 

[OrangeGrayBlue]

Give Texas and Florida to mexico or Canada please.

Texas would probably opt to be a stand-alone country given its history, which may be in their best interest.

 

[rrvv]

Cause Manifest Destiny

america.jpg

 

[potam]

Something tells me there are obvious reasons this would be a bad idea that I'm overlooking

yeah, they already tried this

 

[Grizzlyjin]

The constant push and pull is what keeps us from moving in one direction too fast. Efficiency is nice in some things, but the government is set up expressly to avoid that. A lot of people might get emotionally caught up after an event and sign their rights away.

And then I honestly don't know who would advantage from it. Seems like both sides would just get weakened. It's a cool concept for a alternate history book though. Like if the Civil War had ended in a protracted armistice (Like the Korean War), what would thw two American cultures be like today?

Now if we're talking about splitting California up into more states, I'm cool with that. Why? No real reason, I just think new state names would be cool. Lol

 

[Kabouter]

Because it'd massively reduce America's power and international stature? Because the vast majority of Americans living in the South don't want to secede? Because the South is increasingly economically important?

 

[Speevy]

Yes, let's become like those other countries that view certain areas as being occupied by second class citizens.

*goes back to playing banjos and screwing sister*

 

[linkboy]

Now if we're talking about splitting California up into more states, I'm cool with that. Why? No real reason, I just think new state names would be cool. Lol

There's no way that would work, northern California (the area north of Sacramento) doesn't really have any way to make money. The state of Jefferson would fail worse than Kansas currently is.

 

[ISOM]

The US came to a decision that it's better to have the nation together than split it apart, even by force. You know that's why the civil war was fought for?

 

[OrangeGrayBlue]

Does the majority in the south even want something like that?

I don't have any study to cite here, but my gut says yes. The GOP already throws around a lot of dog whistles: "real" america, states rights, referring to dems as "liberal elites" in "big cities", confederate flags, etc. There's a lot of us vs. them terminology that's directly linked to the Civil War to this very day.

 

[HK-47]

The US came to a decision that it's better to have the nation together than split it apart. You know that's why the civil war was fought for?

Nah it was for state rights

=3

 

[Brakke]

Because I care about them and they'd do a shit job of things without the rest of us.

 

[A Fish Aficionado]

Civil War and such.

 

[Speevy]

I don't have any study to cite here, but my gut says yes. The GOP already throws around a lot of dog whistles: "real" america, states rights, referring to dems as "liberal elites" in "big cities", confederate flags, etc. There's a lot of us vs. them terminology that's directly linked to the Civil War to this very day.

My gut says you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

In 31 years I have never met a single person in favor of secession.

 

[potam]

I don't have any study to cite here, but my gut says yes. The GOP already throws around a lot of dog whistles: "real" america, states rights, referring to dems as "liberal elites" in "big cities", confederate flags, etc. There's a lot of us vs. them terminology that's directly linked to the Civil War to this very day.

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No. While the GOP may throw around a lot of divisive language to pander to their dumber constituents, please don't believe that your average Southerner is dumb enough to believe they'd be better off as their own country.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

 

[redmetal86]

Hell no, you're stuck with us for life.

 

[A Fish Aficionado]

Now if we're talking about splitting California up into more states, I'm cool with that. Why? No real reason, I just think new state names would be cool. Lol

And lose our badass flag?
No sir.

 

[ISOM]

I don't have any study to cite here, but my gut says yes. The GOP already throws around a lot of dog whistles: "real" america, states rights, referring to dems as "liberal elites" in "big cities", confederate flags, etc. There's a lot of us vs. them terminology that's directly linked to the Civil War to this very day.

The GOP likes to bluster about seceding from the US but they aren't dumb enough to think it's an actual viable idea. Only the nutters of nutters think that.

 

[Seanspeed]

Because the world is better off having both political and social pressures put on them rather than let them think and believe the way they do without question.

And there are plenty of people in the south who do not buy into all the conservative and religious shit that is so common there. Lets not let them hang out to dry, ya know?

 

[Jzero]

Give Texas and Florida to mexico

Why the hell would we want a bunch of racists and weirdos?

 

[Chance Hale]

Texas doesn't actually have confederate flags on every street. Houston's mayor is a lesbian!

 

[davepoobond]

You forget the Midwest is full of red states too. It's not that simple anymore mr gut feeling

 

[OrangeGrayBlue]

The US came to a decision that it's better to have the nation together than split it apart, even by force. You know that's why the civil war was fought for?

There's a big difference between the South trying to secede while the North forcibly maintains the union and, as I'm talking about in this hypothetical, something that's done in a peaceful way. I guess I didn't make that clear, but I'm thinking of a scenario that's more like 2/3 of the senate voting on the matter, having it approved and then it's a done deal rather than a repeat of the civil war.

 

[vas_a_morir]

The US came to a decision that it's better to have the nation together than split it apart, even by force. You know that's why the civil war was fought for?

Well, there are decades-long underlying reasons. Directly, it was because the Union refused to withdraw its military from sovereign Confederate territory.

 

[potam]

You forget the Midwest is full of red states too. It's not that simple anymore mr gut feeling

bu bu bu but the South!

 

[SatoAilDarko]

This is really an incredibly stupid idea.

 

[BocoDragon]

The North US and Canada would be like the bestest bros. I might even support Canada merging with them depending on how things turn out after the separation.

 

[ISOM]

There's a big difference between the South trying to secede while the North forcibly maintains the union and, as I'm talking about in this hypothetical, something that's done in a peaceful way. I guess I didn't make that clear, but I'm thinking of a scenario that's more like 2/3 of the senate voting on the matter, having it approved and then it's a done deal rather than a repeat of the civil war.

No one logical in the US government would voluntarily vote to weaken the United States just because of ideology.

 

[OrangeGrayBlue]

My gut says you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

In 31 years I have never met a single person in favor of secession.

You might be right. Mind you, I'm aware that most of the politicians (at least on the federal level... state legislatures seem to attract legit wackos) are just pandering and recognize they'd be screwed on their own. However, they're pandering because they have a sizable portion of the constituency starving for that kind of rhetoric because that's what they believe. And I have certainly met some folks that argued in favor of secession. That was in West Virginia, ironically enough.

 

[AnathemicOne]

Because it'd massively reduce America's power and international stature? Because the vast majority of Americans living in the South don't want to secede? Because the South is increasingly economically important?

I'm genuinely curious of what sort of economic power the South currently has (aside from Texas). Considering we (or at least I) was taught in middle and high school history classes was that the North had industrial might and that has only exponentiated over the decades. I mean there's no San Francisco in the South is there?

 

[OrangeGrayBlue]

You forget the Midwest is full of red states too. It's not that simple anymore mr gut feeling

That doesn't matter. The loss of the south would push "North USA" pretty far to the left on a national level unless you think the GOP would still be as successful with their current rhetoric.

 

[Speevy]

Reality does not conform to things people on television say!

I'll bet all them Californians are like those liberal movie stars! Prove me wrong NEOGAF!

 

[OrangeGrayBlue]

No one logical in the US government would voluntarily vote to weaken the United States just because of ideology.

The government was shut down just last year over ideology.


edit- not to say Ted Cruz is logical.

 

[Stahsky]

yeah, because everyone in the south thinks like this.

what the fuck

 

[OrangeGrayBlue]

yeah, because everyone in the south thinks like this.

what the fuck

Politicians campaign on what they believe the majority will support. It's not about presumed ideological homogeneity, it's about a shift in demographics.

 

[kamakazi5]

I don't have any study to cite here, but my gut says yes. The GOP already throws around a lot of dog whistles: "real" america, states rights, referring to dems as "liberal elites" in "big cities", confederate flags, etc. There's a lot of us vs. them terminology that's directly linked to the Civil War to this very day.

Please don't lump all of us in with some vocal idiots.

 

[Tabris]

If you guys drop the south and midwest, the US can then join Canada to form a better country.

 

[OrangeGrayBlue]

Please don't lump all of us in with some vocal idiots.

I'm not. However, if that kind of rhetoric works on a national level currently, do you think it would fail in a country comprised only of the Southern US? I think a lot of posters assume I'm stereotyping the South, but I'm only acknowledging the political demographics there and making a projection as to how such a place would govern. If you feel there would be any sort of liberal majority anywhere, I'm interested in hearing why.

 

[HK-47]

If you guys drop the south and midwest, the US can then join Canada to form a better country.

Why would we drop the place where we get most of our food from?

 

[Brakke]

You forget the Midwest is full of red states too. It's not that simple anymore mr gut feeling

Coloring states is sort of silly though. We only think that way because we have the Electoral College but the Electoral College is stupid. We should at least consider counties.

(distorted for population

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election/2012/

 

[MC Safety]

There's a big difference between the South trying to secede while the North forcibly maintains the union and, as I'm talking about in this hypothetical, something that's done in a peaceful way. I guess I didn't make that clear, but I'm thinking of a scenario that's more like 2/3 of the senate voting on the matter, having it approved and then it's a done deal rather than a repeat of the civil war.

Because the answer is not differences = secession.

We are one country.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

You giving Cali back to Mexico too or nah

 

[Krappadizzle]

Dude, you're an idiot.


It's very Hitler-like what you're saying.

 

[Zeus Molecules]

because the north already fought the south on that issue and won.

 

[Shard]

Nah it was for state rights

=3

A state right to do what Mr. Greene?