CitizenCope
Member
Yeah no and I'm a graphics whore. I don't have the patience for the issues I see in some of these multiplat threads.
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Why the PC Should Become The Home Base for Every HardCore Gamer
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RyanReedyMusic
Banned
Im already on homebase.
Because it has Ultra.
flyinpiranha
Member
I tried, I bought Mass Effect 3 (figured I'd finish out the series), HDMI-out to my 60", had the Xbox controller all ready to go ... and ... no 360 controller support without doing some bullshit mapping.
Yeah. I don't mind PC gaming, but it's the little shit that just bothers the fuck out of me like this.
Yeah. I don't mind PC gaming, but it's the little shit that just bothers the fuck out of me like this.
CambriaRising
Member
As a PC gamer of 15+ years, I can understand why ANYONE would not want to be one and would prefer consoles instead.
So the Wii u will be your only 8th gen console in this case? (Btw - lots of drm free games on PC)
You have a choice because you can support individual games or wait until they come out with DRM free versions. On console you are stuck with whatever the default DRM of the console is.
For example:
-Ubisoft had crappy Securo ROM DRM in their games, then last year the removed it.
-Humble Bundles generally come with DRM free and Steam versions of all games.
-Some Steam games have Steamworks DRM, some do not.
-Most indie games are available directly from the creator's website DRM free or conveniently available on Steam.
-All games on GOG are DRM free versions.
It isn't simply "You have a gaming PC now you have to put up with Gaming PC DRM." Some games have DRM, some games have none. Some games have it on one digital store platform but not on another. Some have it when they are released and then remove it later. On console it's all standardized. You have no choice.
Pegasos123
Member
I love all the pc indie games but playing on the pc isnt apealing for me because of the hardware prices, mouse & keyboard are imo not so confortable as controllers (i know many games support them) and the fakt that you have a huge tower which isnt so easy to transport. also PCs are loud (the ones i had) :-/
Back then i had plenty of problems with tower PCs ... cooling issues, noise, not enough raw power for games like oblivion etc
i hope that all the indie developers make their game also for ps4
Back then i had plenty of problems with tower PCs ... cooling issues, noise, not enough raw power for games like oblivion etc
i hope that all the indie developers make their game also for ps4
Haunted
Member
Agreed on all points. Fantastic post for someone not aware that the option exists.
not every first reply on GAF can be a winner.
MikeE21286
Member
If we start going into the completely digital always-online DRM space, I'm moving to PC.
The reason being that I know, no matter when or how I upgrade that I'll always be able to access my games through the same box/machine.
The reason being that I know, no matter when or how I upgrade that I'll always be able to access my games through the same box/machine.
There are very few games that can't be cracked. And for the vast majority of them it takes 2 minutes.
But what about the Nintendo titles?
I've always been curious about PC gaming but for me it seems a bit too complex. I have been keeping an eye on the console-type PC setups like the Alienware but it is still too complex for me. Though, I am in my late thirties and have never owned a PC so far in all my years.
I've always been curious about PC gaming but for me it seems a bit too complex. I have been keeping an eye on the console-type PC setups like the Alienware but it is still too complex for me. Though, I am in my late thirties and have never owned a PC so far in all my years.
fluffydelusions
Member
Locking yourself into any one system is pretty silly. You're always going to miss something.
chickdigger802
Banned
In the past 5 years I've rarely had any issues playing pc games at launch. And if there is an issue 90% of the time a restart of the pc fixes that. Other times a quick google leads to a ini file tweak, and it works perfectly.
When something goes wrong on console games (which is more and more often these days), you pretty much just gotta twiddle your thumbs until a patch comes weeks later.
The lack of jrpgs suck... but lets be honest, they are pretty much all terrible these days. Just get a 3ds if you really need a taste... or better yet, ps2, ps1, snes emulators that make the jrpgs of the past the bestest they can be.
pc is aight.
When something goes wrong on console games (which is more and more often these days), you pretty much just gotta twiddle your thumbs until a patch comes weeks later.
The lack of jrpgs suck... but lets be honest, they are pretty much all terrible these days. Just get a 3ds if you really need a taste... or better yet, ps2, ps1, snes emulators that make the jrpgs of the past the bestest they can be.
pc is aight.
Don't worry, that is how it works on NeoGAF. There's especially this crusade against PC-elitists as some of us are branded, for liking the PC and arguing for it to a point where certain individuals follow you around in various threads just to call you out. I do very much agree with your points but it's just one big game of pros and cons which is perceived different for each individual. Also what is important to you as a gamer.
When I hear modding, I think of endless amounts of free content that can add hundreds of hours to a game I already own, make it look better, turn it into a better game.
For others they just think of a big hassle, downloading, installing, working out any problems and ultimately they don't feel it's worth their time.
When I hear 30FPS / 720p, I cringe and get these flashing images on my retina of low-resolution games with lots of jaggies that feels very sluggish.
For some they aren't sensitive to that stuff, they can perfectly play with and enjoy 30FPS and sit far enough away for 720p ( less / more ) to never bother them.
When I think about PC building, I get this warm feeling of being able to buy a lot of great hardware at the price point I want and can scale the performance with the price, plus I'm able to make my PC faster whenever I want.
For others it's about figuring out what to buy, having someone built it perhaps or go through building your first PC which can be scary. Plus it probably seems very expensive as that latest AMD Afterburner Thrustmaster X2000 is like $600!!
When I think PC exclusives, I just think simulators, lots of niche and indie titles and games that allow for a greater visual range and control scheme.
For others they are most likely just boring games and it's certainly no <Insert Y console exclusive>
And the list goes on, and on ...
What most people react on is when you call out a superiority to any of these opinions, like that's what the hardcore would choose or that's the 'best option' you will naturally fall into the same old comfy couch / PC abilities discussions.
Oh and some want the best of both worlds, get a console and a PC, gets to enjoy everything
MrNyarlathotep
Banned
Can you build Lego?
Because assembling a PC nowadays is about as difficult as making a Lego construction
just with much more expensive bricks
It also shouldn't cost you £1000 unless you're going extremely high end.
That's the beauty of customisation. You can go as high end as you feel your budget can handle.
BomberMouse
Member
Building and maintaining a gaming PC is something I don't enjoy.
I just want to buy a title and play it. Don't want another hobby on top of my hobby.
I just want to buy a title and play it. Don't want another hobby on top of my hobby.
Snkfanatic
Banned
iNvid02
Member
1st Course
Member
Sure but what if someone wanted to play BF3, ME3 or Dark Souls on PC? What if someone just don't want to deal with Steam at all? What about Diablo 3? DRM is a real problem on PC, it's really the only thing that I dislike about PC gaming tbh.
MrNyarlathotep
Banned
Out of interest, what in your mind does maintaining a PC consist of?
Isn't that the dude always in WiiU threads talking about how underpowered it is?
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But consoles are by their very definition hardware DRM.
That's an interesting type of gamer, the one that thinks that Nintendo platforms are too underpowered but the other consoles are just right -- exactly up to the point where their successors are released.
Cerebral Assassin
Member
P*?
Most games have fairly good benchmark tests to automatically set you up with the best settings for your system to have the smoothest experience. You don't really have to do things like tweak your .ini's like you used to. Experimenting with settings is now something you do because you want to and not because you have to. Drivers and crashes? I haven't even bothered to check to see if a new video driver was out for my laptop (which is also my gaming pc) and I've been trouble free for all games that I've played for well over a year now.
Cleaning the dust trays, running anti-virus software? Haha that's all that comes to mind for me.
You play new-releases? Because I can't get away with that shit for new releases, performance gains are too great.
It needs rust treatment, washing, services and parts replacement when worn. It all adds up.
palpabl_purpura
Member
Why not wait for steambox and get the best of all worlds? I.e. pc games without alot of the upgrade hassle
In my mind, it means looking for patches, updates, keeping it virus-free, etc. And making sure everything constantly works connecting it to your HDTV. Worrying about resolutions, fitting. Making sure you have controller settings mapped properly for each game (since would have no desire to play at a desk with a keyboard and mouse). Since I like older games, making sure they get emulated properly and conform to the screen. For mame-like stuff, making sure they play in the cabinet properly. Boot up times. Keeping the OS software current and well as being able to keep legacy OS current. Hard stuff to maintain. I'm having trouble updating flash on my crazy old Mac here.
Easy and done.
For choosing parts, the OP in this thread is amazing and anyone in it will help you make customizations and suggestions:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=509570
It has charts that you can use as a template according to whatever budget you want to spend starting as low as $417 for the "Budget" build.
As for the building process, here are two great videos. As others have said, it is pretty close to putting legos together as there is really only one place and one way most parts can go in.
My friend who just built his first gaming PC two months ago? He did it by himself using those videos. I was suppose to help him when I came to town but he didn't want to wait. He didn't even know what a harddrive looked like or what it really was before using those videos. They are pretty step by step.
http://techreport.com/review/23624/how-to-build-a-pc-the-tech-report-guide
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPIXAtNGGCw
They even start by just explaining what all the parts are and how they work.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
As a PC gamer that tries to keep relatively current hardware, I can understand the appeal of the game console. While I do think commonly cited PC gaming "issues" are at this point exaggerated, game consoles do what they're intended to do very well.
Having said that, I do think a people can be unreasonable if they harp about graphics and their "high standards" while simultaneously demanding game consoles be twisted to fit the desires of the so-called graphics whore.
That isn't what consoles are for. They're mass-market products designed to provide a balance of value, features, and accessibility.
Having said that, I do think a people can be unreasonable if they harp about graphics and their "high standards" while simultaneously demanding game consoles be twisted to fit the desires of the so-called graphics whore.
That isn't what consoles are for. They're mass-market products designed to provide a balance of value, features, and accessibility.
Word. Capcom and NetherRealm need to step up their PC game.
It's not so difficult anymore. I understand where you're coming from, and it can be tough for some games prior to this generation. But PC gaming is pretty simple now. I won't say "It just works", but you can get the most out of your games with relative ease now a days. And most of the time, if you just plug in a 360 controller, you're good to go.
I'm aware, I meant console exclusives. 100% of my playtime the past few months have been MMOs, Mobas, ARPGS, or RPGs that are exclusive to PC. My point, is that I play games as much as any of the so called "Hardcore" gamers, yet the statement that all hardcore gamers have every platform always comes up.
I do not consider myself to have narrow tastes, I just dislike the control scheme on consoles enough that any game with aiming is written off, leaving a small amount left, and those I generally have no interest in.
I can safely say, your thoughts about this stuff is way, way overblown.
Maybe 12 years ago.
Always-honest
Banned
Haha, yuuuuup.
Yeah maybe this is better now. But this was certainly very much true some years ago. It was very frustrating sometimes.
I'll admit i might not be the most tecnphnical person when it comes to pc's but i know my way around and i still wanted to throw it out of the window at times..
I guess a lot is improved since en but i share that feeling.
BigJonsson
Member
HardCore! Buzzwords!
But if you actually were a graphics whore you would have abandoned consoles a long time ago.
I don't even understand that. The majority of sales for a console platform are pressed discs that you can take out of your system and sell.
The definition of DRM is that it restricts the control you have over digital content after a sale took place.
Current consoles suck at DRM if their objective was to restrict me from doing what I wanted with my games.
While I think his post is absolute garbage, attribution that statement to him seems completely made up.
How do you know he didn't think PS3/360 graphics have been shit for 2 years already?
Likely, but as I said, I can't even get Flash updated on my Mac right now. I just don't have the knowledge of how PCs work. I am finally using one at work and learning how they work and stuff, though. I definitely feel one belongs in everybody's gaming center, though. And would like to add one.