Pachinko said:Just remember though gentlemen, the wii isn't meant to be a 5 year system. In 3 years we'll get Wii 2 and it will have 720p support , full backwards compatibility and the general visual capability equal to that of a low end 360 game instead of the current capability which is equal to roughly a middle tier xbox title.
Also within 18 months there'll be some sort of new wii, smaller, including component cables , perhaps something as simple as colored wii's.
I guess all I'm getting at is that the specs don't really matter. The wii was designed for profit first and using lower end hardware achieves that the easiest.
Well, you shouldn't forget that the Xbox CPU isn't a full Pentium III. It has only 256kb of Cache and according to developers memory bandwidth was always a problem the limiting the performance of the first XBox. The GC Gecko got 512kB Cache. The Broadway also got way faster memory than XBox, with fast 1T-SRAM and GDDR3. I agree that with these specs it isn't much more capable than XBox, but that it is a little bit more capable should be pretty clear.Shompola said:If it is true that the Wii CPU is just an extension of the GC CPU, then it really isnt much more than a G3 with an SIMD like feature. And we know how good the G3 class CPU was compared to a Pentium III classs CPU. More or less equal in most types of applications. So unless the broadway is a new G4 derivate of some sort, I will stand by my opinion that the Wii is a best marginally more powerful than the Xbox. Much more capable than Xbox would be something like a G4 class CPU + 9700 class GPU... Something we have yet to see here.
Pachinko said:Just remember though gentlemen, the wii isn't meant to be a 5 year system. In 3 years we'll get Wii 2 and it will have 720p support , full backwards compatibility and the general visual capability equal to that of a low end 360 game instead of the current capability which is equal to roughly a middle tier xbox title.
Also within 18 months there'll be some sort of new wii, smaller, including component cables , perhaps something as simple as colored wii's.
I guess all I'm getting at is that the specs don't really matter. The wii was designed for profit first and using lower end hardware achieves that the easiest.
Crow said:First time I've heard of this. This speculation or is there a source?
Yeah the source is his asshole.Crow said:First time I've heard of this. This speculation or is there a source?
TEV can do vertex. That's how they got fur shading in Star Fox Adventures.Hatorade said:Shaders on the GC/Wii architecture suck compared to DX in general because it can't do vertex and because there is no HLSL which means developers have to write their own language before they can even begin making effects.
_bla_ said:Well, you shouldn't forget that the Xbox CPU isn't a full Pentium III. It has only 256kb of Cache and according to developers memory bandwidth was always a problem the limiting the performance of the first XBox. The GC Gecko got 512kB Cache. The Broadway also got way faster memory than XBox, with fast 1T-SRAM and GDDR3. I agree that with these specs it isn't much more capable than XBox, but that it is a little bit more capable should be pretty clear.
Shompola said:If it is true that the Wii CPU is just an extension of the GC CPU, then it really isnt much more than a G3 with an SIMD like feature. And we know how good the G3 class CPU was compared to a Pentium III classs CPU. More or less equal in most types of applications. So unless the broadway is a new G4 derivate of some sort, I will stand by my opinion that the Wii is a best marginally more powerful than the Xbox. Much more capable than Xbox would be something like a G4 class CPU + 9700 class GPU... Something we have yet to see here.
Fio Maravilha said:Considering this specs on topic true.
Wii CPU > Xbox CPU
Wii GPU > Xbox GPU
Wii Memory > Xbox Memory
It's undeniable that Wii > Xbox.
But, if your point is "omg! Wii SUX0X, TEH SHIT GRAPHIX" based on shit screenshoots released so far, i lament.
Luckyman said:Honestly..
Xbox GPU >> Wii GPU.
You know, the sad thing is that Nintendo have even allowed people to have this discussion._bla_ said:Well, even if Wii GPU really is just GC GPU at 1.5X Clock, then it should still offer higher performance, Xbox is limited by memory performance. It is able to do a lot of fancy stuff but due to lack of memory bandwidth it doesn't perform anywhere near its peak performance in real games. So Xbox GPU features > Wii GPU features while Wii GPU fillrate > Xbox GPU fillrate.
Wii GPU got a EDRAM framebuffer and a big texture cache. Both help a lot against running into bandwith problems. Some launch titles already show some fillrate heavy effects.
I definately said wow. Just not in the way Nintendo wanted. :lol :lolJacobi said:"If you turn on the Levorution, you'll say wow"
The Black Brad Pitt said:You know, the sad thing is that Nintendo have even allowed people to have this discussion.
Honestly its hard to believe just how much they skimped.
Fio Maravilha said:Considering this specs on topic true.
Wii CPU > Xbox CPU
Wii GPU > Xbox GPU
Wii Memory > Xbox Memory
It's undeniable that Wii > Xbox.
Mr. TV Goggles said:I hear there is some GPU feature the Gamecube had (TEV or something) that was never used.
Nintendo doesn't use shaders, they use a different, propiertary technology called TEV, which does basically the same thing in a different way. There are things you can do with shaders that aren't possible with TEVs and vice versa. The main problems with Flippers TEV unit was memory performance and the lack of a few operations, but I'd think that at least the first problem should be fixed with Hollywood.Onix said:I'm not sure it is clear that the GPU is better, is it?
Obviously it is faster, but it doesn't have all the shaders, etc ... so I don't think one can simply compare clock-rate. For some things, it will produce better graphics ... but it is possible that for some things, it will have difficulty pulling off the same effects.
Sweedishrodeo said:they didnt skimp! they said time and time again graphical prowess was not the goal. SUPRISE the system isnt nearly as powerful as ps3 and 360. caring about the specs at this point is worthless. its here. played wii sports a few mins ago. looks fine. doesnt look great, but looks good, and thats all i was expecting.