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WiiU "Latte" GPU Die Photo - GPU Feature Set And Power Analysis
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TheGreatMightyPoo
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Interceptor
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So your points are:
1. Look at the chip how weak it is!
2. But don´t look at the enourmus amount of WTF functions on the same chip. It could weaken point 1.!
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Yes.
versus is just a little airborne
Relaxed Muscle
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Do we know all fixed functions (especulated) space are for GC/Wii BC?
For what it's worth, BG had the Orbis specs right months ago, and a lot of his info (as opposed to his speculation) on Wii U was correct. That's entirely off-topic, mind.
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
Well you still haven't told me why you consider it less than 1.5x as strong as the 360 based on the photo.
That was kind of the (not least) important part.
If you're stalling waiting for someone else who actually knows about it to explain why that's okay though, I'll wait too.
If there's a bandwagon here it's people who are about as knowledgeable as me about it jumping on the it sucks train.
Schnozberry
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I don't know. I guess that was the point. We can't compare it until we get a better analysis. Somebody from Chipworks is supposed to be sending an analysis over to Fourth Storm later today.
Umm BG never claimed to be psychic.
Well those sections would be used in Wii U so I can imagine a world where they put in enhanced versions of those that worked for BC and also allow Wii U titles access to them.
If there is indeed a bunch of custom stuff in there it is possible it may still hit 400 in the end, we just can't easily do the AMD calculation to get there.
What makes you say that exactly?
Most people did.
Am I overreacting a bit? Sure. I'll admit it.
I feel bad for you if you're not even the slightest bit emotionally invested in something you spend hundreds of dollars on.
cyberheater
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How much of this chip is wasted so it can run Wii software?
This is an interesting point. It doesn't look that way at all in the RV770 shot due to its arrangement, but the "uncore" parts actually do take up as much area as the "core" parts. So the ratio on the Wii U GPU isn't too different (though still more imbalanced).
Please show me where? The non-core aspects of the chip look about proportional to any GPU, look at the 4870 die shot I posted, it has a lot of non shader/tmu etc parts too. All sufficiently advanced chips do. CPUs have a lot of uncore parts rather than logic parts.
If someone can show me why that's not true I'd be happy to reconsider, but "fixed function" appears to be the newest fallback. The uncore looks the same as the uncore of any GPU to me. And some of that would go to backwards compatibility too.
BrokenEchelon
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So...theoretically it's between a 360 and PS3, while the Durango and Orbis will be 8x~ more powerful at least?
In terms of FLOPs? Did I get that right?
In terms of FLOPs? Did I get that right?
Can you tell which part of the chip are dedicated to BC and what does they do?
Moral Panic
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Is it 40nm?
mega threads are unwelcome in this forum. That's why.
InsaneZero
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Because useful information like this should never be restrained regardless of the implications.
KillerTravis
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It weirds me out that there's already a bunch of people in here waiting for confirmation that Wii U is a weak piece of garbage.
Seriously, what's the deal with this nonsense?
Also, you guys are crazy for spending 200 bucks on a photo just to analyze a chip
It's all for the sake of science.
Yeah it's weird.
Putting all the pointing and laughing aside, I don't understand this info.
For all the people who are laughing it up, how is Wii U able to run ME3, AC3, BlopsII, etc? How is it able to run X?
And don't be jackass and say "poorly lol," that's not the goddamn point. Those games, for the most part run fine and I'm not sure how that's possible.
As a layman, I don't understand what's going on here one bit.
For all the people who are laughing it up, how is Wii U able to run ME3, AC3, BlopsII, etc? How is it able to run X?
And don't be jackass and say "poorly lol," that's not the goddamn point. Those games, for the most part run fine and I'm not sure how that's possible.
As a layman, I don't understand what's going on here one bit.
What are you exactly doing here? Go do something more productive with your time.
Thread whining is a bannable offense.
What this guys did is commendable.
176GF worse case
Around 600 absolute wish-upon-a-star best case
How many ALUs per shader unit (8 units at 20 or 40 or 80 ALUs)? No one seems to know exactly. Or if the fixed function stuff is Wii only, or hybrid. Of the later, how do we measure GF performance of an unknown?
So basically, wait.
dampflokfreund
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Useful in what way?
Schnozberry
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Yeah, it's right next to the LOLWTF interface and the weaksauce bridge. Nintendo has been been using this design since the GameCube.
/sarcasm
Portugeezer
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What do we gather from this picture? I see disappointed people.
Because now instead of rumor or speculation we have hard facts to shut some of them down. Certain people on both sides of the debate no longer have any real foundations for their claims or hopes at one time about specs. What we see know is different than most what actually and exactly expected or thought nintendo would actually do.
Being near the bullseye doesn't mean you were on it or really all that close.
DeviousAngel
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Indeed. It's a little sad but, at the same time, I'm kinda curious about this whole partnership approach Nintendo has taken as of late. It makes even more sense now, in light of this new information. I foresee that what WiiU will lack in third party ports, it will make up in kooky third party exclusives and an increased output of first party content due to collaborations. We've already seen several examples.
It is certainly an interesting console and I think it will translate into an interesting generation for Nintendo. I look forward to more analysis.
That's just people reading selectively and going 'Oh Nintendo' as soon as they see something remotely negative. The point of this thread is to actually find stuff out.
Moral Panic
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The WiiU GPU is a lot more customised than we thought, the initial looks of it is that it may be very weak, but there are a lot of stuff on it that we are not 100% about.
I think that's the gist.
michaelius
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What happened to 480sp rumour that was leaked from AMD helpdesk ?
No.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Of course.
As far as I understand, some people suspect using the fixed functions will be able to push it passed the 360/PS3-esque limits but that few third parties will actually try exploiting that, and it'll be a feature only first party games will see good usage of.
Most of the "useful information" in this thread is being pulled out of people's asses rather than from the photo.
Which kind of defeats the purpose no?
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
Somewhere between 100% and none?
Do some of the people in this thread posting strong opinions realize they're making asses of themselves?
BrokenEchelon
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