Vanillalite
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Anyone know if I need to install Zune to get my Windows Phone to sync with the consumer preview of Windows 8?
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no idea, i assume you would for now because i bet windows phone would need to be updated as well. And all the media apps are very early.
My Sedatives
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I'm ultra happy with my Windows Phone, but I am so meh at the moment about the future. I figure if I just ignore everything until Apollo then I will be okay.
I have an upgrade coming in June and I'm on T-Mobile... we will see what happens then I suppose.
I have an upgrade coming in June and I'm on T-Mobile... we will see what happens then I suppose.
I dunno, it seems more noncommittal than anything.
Sounds like they want to make sure that Windows Phone 8 will be a consistently fluid experience, so older hardware that can't run it may not be allowed to officially upgrade.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
I thought 2nd gen devices got a GPU bump, is that not true? Also, some 2nd gen phones got a 20-40% CPU clock speed bump as well, they're not all identical to 1st gen phones. I'm not worried about getting Apollo. I know I'll get a subset of it and I'm fine with that.
Vanillalite
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Either that or moving to the new kernel and stuff just is taking a little more hardware than currently feasible. Yet hardly something that'll matter in years to come. Early adopters get fucked though, and this platform needs all the good will it can get. Plus it fucks over basically anyone who decides to get a Nokia phone seeing as they aren't that old if nobody on WP7 can update to WP8.
I don't disagree, but he might be fucked if the engineers tell him WP7 won't be getting an update.
Vanillalite
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Honestly none of that should REALLY matter as the main spec IE RAM has been consistent through out. I understand if some Tango 256 meg phones get left out, but I see no reason all of the 512 RAM phones shouldn't be treated as equal. The clock speed and stuff shouldn't really be the deciding factor in terms of it things can run here at all.
Completely agree.
I'm glad I was able to snag a used HD7 from eBay for a great price so I could play with the platform while waiting for the next big evolution.
Vanillalite
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Apollo = WP8... or as far as I understand it...
Vanillalite
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Until we know for sure it'll be able to be updated to Windows Phone 8 I honestly think you'd be foolish to even pick one up. That's just me though.
Steelyuhas
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Having purchased the Titan in November, I'd pretty pretty goddamn upset if we can't upgrade this fall.
Also, I'm beginning to think I should just force update to 8107, as it seems clear that AT&T will not be pushing the update.
Also, I'm beginning to think I should just force update to 8107, as it seems clear that AT&T will not be pushing the update.
It's seems pretty on point for the Windows Phone lifestyle.
I suppose there had to realistically be a cut off at some point between generations of phones as the market keeps expanding and progressing. Its one thing to want them to take a big leap to keep up with the mobile jones', its another thing to expect those same advanced features to appear on dated hardware.
The question is, where's the cutoff point? Till we really know officially, I'm reserving judgement. But it does seem like another reason to wait to pick up new phones till Apollo instead of updating early. Maybe I'll snag a Lumia 900 eventually on the off market when they hit around $300 or so, but until I know how updates are going to roll out, it's me and my Focus.
The question is, where's the cutoff point? Till we really know officially, I'm reserving judgement. But it does seem like another reason to wait to pick up new phones till Apollo instead of updating early. Maybe I'll snag a Lumia 900 eventually on the off market when they hit around $300 or so, but until I know how updates are going to roll out, it's me and my Focus.
You really are something...
Anyway, I've almost accepted that my Lumia 800 will end up a bit like my Dreamcast. I wanted it from day one, it's (almost) everything I want it to be, it'll not be as successful as it deserves to be, and I'll remember it fondly for the rest of my days.
Vanillalite
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Because MS made a baseline spec, and virtually all the phones have like 90% of the same hardware.
In terms of what actually matters in OS upgrades usually EVERY SINGLE RELEASED PHONE has the EXACT SAME amount of RAM. Every phone has 512 RAM. This is really the only aspect that matters tech wise that would be a block. CPU wise and stuff 2nd gen just have slightly higher clocked versions of what everyone has. It's nothing mind blowingly different though. Every single device is running a single core, and outside of those new Tango phones previewed everyone is running @1ghz at the least. Nobody is running dual core or anything though. Plus everyone is running at the same resolution as well.
The different between a Samsung Focus and a Samsung Focus Flash or the HTC Surround and the HTC Titan in terms of hardcore specs outside of screen size and form factors is really splitting hairs.
brotkasten
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While panicking is great and all, it's not confirmed that first and second gen devices won't get Apollo.
Vanillalite
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True, and I'll fully admit I'm more thinking AT&T will fuck me on this issue before MS.
I guess I could see a situation where OEMs or carriers wouldn't be bothered to update, test, and deploy a major update to old phones. Especially if the Windows 8 core necessitates major rework at the driver level, which im sure it will.
I do expect that 2nd Gen phones will get Windows Phone 8 though.
I do expect that 2nd Gen phones will get Windows Phone 8 though.
VanMardigan
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Oh wow this is fantastic. Its like People Hub 2.0, I can finally see my wife's pictures rather than just her text posts.
Facebook integration was blocked? This whole time? Outside the US lameness? Haven't had a problem with the people hub myself.
VanMardigan
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Depending on your friends' privacy settings, you may not have been able to see their posts, or more commonly for me, you could see their text posts, but not any pictures they posted. It affected you, you just never noticed.
Has it actually been fixed now? Still not seeing everything on the people hub that is on facebook.... always was annoying.
Interesting. Admittedly I never went exploring on too many profiles on my contact list if I had full access but it's nice to see they've finally managed to parallel the same web access you have with your Facebook friends.
Also read this article this morning and the last quote is something else. We officially live in bizzaro world.
http://wmpoweruser.com/privacy-advocate-demands-google-replace-his-android-phone-with-a-windows-one/
VanMardigan
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The Windows team is clueless. They took what they thought was the "look" of wp7 and what they thought the best things were about the OS, but they totally botched the execution. At this beta stage, its a disjointed mess.
Quick example: on wp7, notifications for the Me tile or a group tile work because it offers only the most recent actions. On win8, they go back too far, so I'm seeing a live tile about a comment, only to realize its a way older comment that has since been supplanted by more recent comments. Its like they dont even understand how to properly use live tiles.
They also managed to make multitasking less intuitive and more hidden than even Apple. This is the Windows platform, for crying out loud, multi-tasking should be the easiest thing in the world for them. But that's it, I dont want to go too far off topic, its just that it's obvious that the wp7 team should've been in charge of UI and usability.
Quick example: on wp7, notifications for the Me tile or a group tile work because it offers only the most recent actions. On win8, they go back too far, so I'm seeing a live tile about a comment, only to realize its a way older comment that has since been supplanted by more recent comments. Its like they dont even understand how to properly use live tiles.
They also managed to make multitasking less intuitive and more hidden than even Apple. This is the Windows platform, for crying out loud, multi-tasking should be the easiest thing in the world for them. But that's it, I dont want to go too far off topic, its just that it's obvious that the wp7 team should've been in charge of UI and usability.
Respectfully disagree, there are many things they got wrong, the multitasking is one of the few things that I like as far as tablet interfacing will go. If the multitasking was limited to the developer preview I'd be throwing a fit, but the implementation in the consumer preview is really nice and I think it'll get even better by launch.
I think the W8 team took a look of great things from WP7, and keep in mind some of the tiles don't poulate correctly for a while, so don't let initial impressions color you too much.
brotkasten
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And you thought I was trolling and being hyperbolic.
Anton Sugar
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You using a tablet or desktop? Multitasking on a tablet is a breeze.
But yes, they need far more influence from WP7 team.
brotkasten
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STFU Coco II!
I'm like Copernicus now, really?
bigtroyjon
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Not at all, copernisuck's entire existence in these threads is to troll people and get them riled up. You are more of a Negative Nancy type who is just posting everything that you don't like while not mentioning anything that's good and making it seem like everything you don't like is the end of the world.
At least that's how it's seemed lately, you are like the hardcore sports fan who constantly complains about how shitty ESPN is while also spending their whole day watching ESPN.
Awesome. No picture was bugging me even though it was for people I don't talk to often XD
In North America, you're on a contract for 2 (USA) or 3 (Canada) years. It's expected that you get updates to your devices for at least 2 of those years and I think that's a perfectly reasonable expectation. People got Windows Phone because they didn't want to be fucked over like Android users.
Buying a Lumia 900 now and not getting updates would be pretty crappy. I don't think that'll be the case but this Focus is pretty damn good so I'll stick with it until we get some Nokia phones with Pureview tech.
VanMardigan
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Damn son, things ain't that bad around here. WE GOT TO STICK TOGETHER!!
antiquegamer
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I wonder if Nokia will have a deal with Microsoft to be the only OEM that gets Apollo on existing handsets... ..
May be they just following market leader practice of 1% model where less than 1% of the hardware have the latest version of the OS.
Anyway, I doubt it. Only thing that stand between your phone and update is shitty carrier. I stop harping on it as long as there are work around for me to get update.
I wonder if Nokia will have a deal with Microsoft to be the only OEM that gets Apollo on existing handsets... ..
Nokia nor Microsoft can force ATT and their greedy asses to upgrade the phones if they don't want to.
Complex Shadow
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carrier updates are so wrong. why can't MS see that.
Unknown Soldier
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Because with the exception of Apple, anybody who tries to tell the carriers what they can and cannot do will find their devices suddenly unapproved for the carrier's network. The carrier owns the infrastructure, they have the manufacturers by the balls and they know it.
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