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World of Warcraft - Flight is coming to Draenor
- Thread starter Netherscourge
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Principate
Saint Titanfall
One makes them money the other loses them money. The Decision is clear.
A Serious Man
Member
WoW just makes me sad these days.
Everyone is already sick of it. WoD has about as much content as Destiny.
No hyperbole, this is gonna destroy any bit of World PvP that was left. I'm leveling an alt right now, and have gotten into some crazy fights while riding around in my mount. With this easy button, people will just bail the minute they see danger. Draenor actually felt a bit like a warzone.
PvE wise, I can see why people love this change. Will make questing/doing shit much faster.
It's really just a major blow to World PvP.
PvE wise, I can see why people love this change. Will make questing/doing shit much faster.
It's really just a major blow to World PvP.
Pretty much, their idea was really dumb, putting more limits on flying is okay but taking it away entirely was dumb
Maybe if they were more appealing, it won't go to waste.
AlfredX1990
Banned
Well, that "Flight will never be a part of the game again" lasted long
Netherscourge
Banned
This was my reaction.
In order to unlock flight, you have to exhaust all the content that you would have used flight for in the first place.
And just in case you already exhausted most of that content, they're adding 3 new reputation grinds for you to spend a couple month's subscription (or game time tokens) on.
So basically, you get to fly after you have nothing to fly to. lol
Well I canceled last month. Can't say I regret it. Won't be back for 6.2
Maybe the next expansion will be more interesting than
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Yes. When there's a problem to which the answers are simply "yes" or "no", one side will only be happy when the other isn't.
It's mind-blowing, I know.
Another question might be "Is WoW a role-playing game anymore?"
They've been chasing a different demographic for a long, long time now.
I thought they said they wanted to get rid of flying? I haven't played since Cata, but taking away flying would have been an awesome change, it got ridiculous after awhile, I loved Vanilla and getting to explore all over the world and having to run everywhere instead of just flying over everything.
Base content wasn't bad, although there were fewer zones.
But it's been over six months and there hasn't been a content patch. 6.1 just opened a raid that was already in the game.
Rockandrollclown
lookwhatyou'vedone
Thats a ridiculous amount of work to do to unlock flight. I imagine this will get toned down as well. What good is adding back flight if no one is going to unlock it? I'm definitely in the pro flight crowd. I didn't spend all that time doing achievements in ICC and Ulduar to have that shit go to waste. Its cool that they have a different view on it now, but its too late. The cat has been let out of the bag, and removing features is always bullshit.
I knew exactly two things about this expansion: There are garrisons, and there will never be flying. They made a pretty big point of it recently.
Basically. I don't mind them adding flying back in for those that really want flight in Draenor. I absolutely agree with gating it the way that they are instead of just randomly opening it back up. The flight vs. no flight debate for me never really mattered. I've been surviving without it, but will I do the necessary steps to unlock it? Yeah, because why not? Not much else to do besides raid at the moment anyway.
There's a thrill in venturing into a contested zone and having to plan out your quests according to how many opposing faction guys are nearby. Oh there's only one? Cool, i'll do my quest and watch my back in case he tries to get the jump on me. Other times it would be like, "yo there's three of us and three of them, let's go at it". Without being able to speak to the opposing faction, there's a mutual "shit is about to go down" tension in the air until someone finally strikes another player. Chaos ensues, and one side comes out on top (until they call for help, lol).
I don't know man, World PvP is something I've always enjoyed. It gives life to what is otherwise a giant "vs CPU" sandbox.
Wow was pretty surprised at my wife's reaction. Linked her the article, said something else through chat and she's like "hold on, I'm cancelling both my accounts". Stone cold.
So, what I don't get is. After doing all that ass-hattery what possible reason could you actually have to fly around in Draenor? I mean, it was designed with no flight in mind. There are flight paths literally everywhere. So you're going to get done with this thing and then what? Sit around in your garrison?
So, what I don't get is. After doing all that ass-hattery what possible reason could you actually have to fly around in Draenor? I mean, it was designed with no flight in mind. There are flight paths literally everywhere. So you're going to get done with this thing and then what? Sit around in your garrison?
Interfectum
Member
Literally less than a month ago they said no flight was coming. The account cancellations must have been epic.
No flight was there in Draenor for months, and I haven't seen any ounce of World PvP that you guys are so fond of.
Then again, when the end-game content is barren for non-raiding players, it shouldn't be surprising.
If they're going to bring it back (They shouldn't, but clearly the whiny bitch masses win) this is the way to do it - for those that have no idea, those achievements represent BASICALLY everything that flying would completely ruin.
That's because of Garrisons, which they recognize the failing of in that respect. Flying only had nothing to do with it THIS time, the past four expansions Garrisons didn't exist and we saw the effect flying had.
This is a case where whiners want everything to be easy (and no, not in a 'HARDCORE' way, but in a 'hey I'm using cheat codes and making the game actually less fun' way).
That's because of Garrisons, which they recognize the failing of in that respect. Flying only had nothing to do with it THIS time, the past four expansions Garrisons didn't exist and we saw the effect flying had.
This is a case where whiners want everything to be easy (and no, not in a 'HARDCORE' way, but in a 'hey I'm using cheat codes and making the game actually less fun' way).
Sectorseven
Member
I don't know, that quest chain sounds very reminiscent of vanilla wow.
Azzurri
Member
It's sad, the game was so fun back in the day before BG's and you actually had to ride your mount to the instanced allowing for some great OW PvP. But people are so impatient these days that you could never go back.
Good thing is now that new MMO coming out have went back to the old ways using older mechanics which make the game feel fun again, for me anayways.
Which might have just been exacerbated by their latest commitment to no flying, but the writing has been on the wall for a while with WoD. If this is a band-aid to fix bleeding subs, they're probably looking at the wrong things as the root of the issue.
What do you mean? How did they turn out and how were they planned?
I don't think they're going to get any better. Wow is dying on the vine. Not having any real content for 6-12 months at a time will do that.
How does being able to fast travel ruin the game? Is the game so devoid of meaningful content that actually getting from point A to point B is considered part of the challenge? That could explain why there's always a huge exodus from the game mere months after every expansion. When you're making your consumers jump through a stupid amount of hoops just to earn the ability to do something as basic as hopping on their flying mounts, you know your game is lacking in content.
Kagoshima_Luke
Gold Member
Exact wrong way to handle this. They should have either stuck to their guns and disallowed flying all the way through the expansion, or just said "F IT" and made everyone pay 100g to unlock flying after a certain date.
As a rogue player in vanilla, flying was tantamount to giving everyone stealth - you just bypass every single bit of combat to get to what you want at the end. They had to start putting any meaningful quest content inside caves and shit to prevent flying. Flying is pointless.
Fast travel =/= flying. Flying is bypassing content, actual fast travel in a typical game only saves you time getting to general areas IE: flight paths, which always existed and are JUST AS FAST AS FLYING. You won't get anywhere faster with flying except for skipping everything between the flight path and the end goal, which is an important part of making you 'do something' in the first place.
Flying is like playing mega man and skipping right to the boss.
Cant believe you guys are suprised
Blizzard are literally the worst at balancing and decision making when it comes to their online games
See:
Starcraft 2 and its death as an esport
Diablo 3 always online and auction house on PC
Hearthstone PC still looking like an iPad app 2 years after launch
etc etc
Blizzard are literally the worst at balancing and decision making when it comes to their online games
See:
Starcraft 2 and its death as an esport
Diablo 3 always online and auction house on PC
Hearthstone PC still looking like an iPad app 2 years after launch
etc etc
Gentleman Jack
Member
I always wonder if no flying has had quite the impact on subs that people estimate, especially compared to how thin the weekly WoD content grind was once the playerbase realized the Garrison is Simpsons Tapped out with a subscription fee.
Flying is being introduced to this expansion largely the way it was introduced into previous expansions. You couldn't fly from level 60 in Outland, 70 in Northrend, etc. You needed to do significant progress before flight opened up. WoD has delayed it longer than previous expansions for sure, and these requirements are the steepest yet. I think Blizzard is not done relenting to the backlash but further lowering the barriers to flying is not going to bring those 3 million subs back.
Flying is being introduced to this expansion largely the way it was introduced into previous expansions. You couldn't fly from level 60 in Outland, 70 in Northrend, etc. You needed to do significant progress before flight opened up. WoD has delayed it longer than previous expansions for sure, and these requirements are the steepest yet. I think Blizzard is not done relenting to the backlash but further lowering the barriers to flying is not going to bring those 3 million subs back.
I can't believe they're still getting away with that. Content drought was the tipping point that made me quit. Farming ICC for 12 months made me really dislike the game.
soulchilde
Member
Next summer they will just unlock it for everyone else just buy the license from the flight master
God Dayumm
Banned
I will save my sub money for Titan
Interfectum
Member
Diablo 3 I'll give you.
SC2 was inevitable thanks to the rise of LoL and Dota 2.
Not sure about the Hearthstone jab. It's a card game.
I'm on Tichondrius and still see plenty of World PvP to this day. Experiences vary by your server group and what time of the day you play.