That is a good question. Maybe Xbox One wont be officially sold in the countries that doesnt have Xbox Live?
Yeah, i dont think that the EU will do much about this. As you say, it will probably take a long time before anything is being done. Look at PC gaming for example, many physical discs cant be resold (well, they can, but they are useless without a online activation code). Its been like this for years now, but EU havnt done anything about it.
Or do like Barney, hook it straigh into the vein hehe.With these drinking game rules you might as well just watch E3 submerged inside a tank of booze.
I see. Yeah, it will be interesting to see indeedWell to be honest, Xbox 360 was never officially sold in my country. PS3 was officially sold though, and we still don't have access to a PS Store, so it is interesting how Sony will tackle this.
That is a good question. Maybe Xbox One wont be officially sold in the countries that doesnt have Xbox Live?
Yeah, i dont think that the EU will do much about this. As you say, it will probably take a long time before anything is being done. Look at PC gaming for example, many physical discs cant be resold (well, they can, but they are useless without a online activation code). Its been like this for years now, but EU havnt done anything about it.
A- A dumb remark by any kid or BRODUDE ( nohomo) actors, do it!
They wouldn't do it but there's nothing technically there to stop them. A firmware update that requires a phone home within a 24 hour period of launching any games or apps? Completely doable, as is locking out any consoles using the old firmware from xbox live.
Again, they *wouldn't* do this for a million reasons. Its not even the slightest worry, just saying that its not impossible, or even difficult.
Has it been clarified which features require a Gold sub? Like if I want to give my friend a game do we both need to be Gold? What about sharing with family? All need Gold subs?
im guessing CEX will probs be the next retail shop to close ? they purely do used items only
Might wanna edit that.
A shame if it happens. I find the staff there very pleasant and educated. Certainly better than my local Gamestation.
I'm pretty sure it's going to be Gold or go home. This is the perfect chance for them to get rid of silver and revamp the pricing structure. I can't wait to see how bad they will screw up this part!
When the European Comission wants to make an example or needs an extra few hundred million euros you can bet things can move quickly. Just ask Microsoft.That is a good question. Maybe Xbox One wont be officially sold in the countries that doesnt have Xbox Live?
Yeah, i dont think that the EU will do much about this. As you say, it will probably take a long time before anything is being done. Look at PC gaming for example, many physical discs cant be resold (well, they can, but they are useless without a online activation code). Its been like this for years now, but EU havnt done anything about it.
It sucks to have this cloud hanging over everything...
Haha, it wasn't. I'm just really disappointed right now, or since a few days ago. As a gamer, there are some games that I really enjoy on the Xbox, like Halo, which I'm naturally going to miss out on now because I can't support this system. More importantly though, what they're doing, if it succeeds, then everything changes. If they show that this can succeed, and if people in the US accept it (who I imagine MS are going to market aggressively too), then it's a dangerous precedent to set. Even companies who may not be going that route, could end up going that route in the long-term future. I hope MS fails, falls flat on their ass, and are forced to re-evaluate how they're doing things.intentional? ...
I genuinely hate what's happening here. It's not that it wasn't known that it's happening for months now, but the fact that it's now confirmed by MS and finally going ahead. I can't even enjoy the upcoming E3 event thanks to them. It sucks to have this cloud hanging over everything. And the worriesome thing is that they're going to push full steam ahead; they have the money, the marketing power, and currently, they have the mindshare in the US, that they can potentially be successful there. It's that trepidation that won't be eased until the console is out and I can see how it's performing in that market. I just hope that's not the case, because if it works, then things are just going to inevitably go south in the future. When you accept things, and you allow them to happen, then it's just easy for everyone else to go with the flow too.
Has anyone seen this moron's article at Cnet? Basically says stopping used games/lending to a friend was "closing a loophole."
He also of course compares this to steam and talks about how much of a success steam has been.
Source
Hmm no, cause they end every second sentence with that. Pretty insecure, aren't they?
Yeah bro, you're awesome, dude!! (Nohomo)
Haha, it wasn't. I'm just really disappointed right now, or since a few days ago. As a gamer, there are some games that I really enjoy on the Xbox, like Halo, which I'm naturally going to miss out on now because I can't support this system. More importantly though, what they're doing, if it succeeds, then everything changes. If they show that this can succeed, and if people in the US accept it (who I imagine MS are going to market aggressively too), then it's a dangerous precedent to set. Even companies who may not be going that route, could end up going that route in the long-term future. I hope MS fails, falls flat on their ass, and are forced to re-evaluate how they're doing things.
Educated in what, Weird playlists of shit music and full sleeve tattoos?
Surely CEX is big enough to become an authorized retailer of Microsofts scheme. I've started using them recently since I like to clear out all the crap I have collected at the end of a console gen. They offer far better trade in value than the competition around here.im guessing CEX will probs be the next retail shop to close ? they purely do used items only
Same here. I literally couldn't care what games get announced tomorrow. Xbox is out of the question forever. All Sony has to do is not announce a similar DRM scheme and I'm sold.I genuinely hate what's happening here. It's not that it wasn't known that it's happening for months now, but the fact that it's now confirmed by MS and finally going ahead. I can't even enjoy the upcoming E3 event thanks to them. It sucks to have this cloud hanging over everything. And the worriesome thing is that they're going to push full steam ahead; they have the money, the marketing power, and currently, they have the mindshare in the US, that they can potentially be successful there. It's that trepidation that won't be eased until the console is out and I can see how it's performing in that market. I just hope that's not the case, because if it works, then things are just going to inevitably go south in the future. When you accept things, and you allow them to happen, then it's just easy for everyone else to go with the flow too.
I agree with your sentiment
If the X1 does well, then this is the future of gaming
Game ownership is dead
And yes I am aware of what VG EULA's have said for a long time but if they sell me a game, I own a game NOT the right to play that game but an actual copy of the game, MY copy of the game
So any guesses as to what publishers will blame next for poor game sales?
No valid piracy or used game arguement to hide behind
I highly doubt they're going to go "yep we messed up. Game was crap"
I think next publisher complaint is going to be review scores
Don't worry though for the Xbox Two, all review scores will be populated by the cloud
All scores will be a random number from 9 - 10 out of 10
We're heading in that direction already. I go to my local Best Buy and the CD racks are bare, most people now just stream or buy their music online. Left and right video outlets have closed down making it near impossible to find a place to rent a hard copy movie. That's all being streamed by your local provider along with NetFlix. Games are the last medium to put up a fight. This is likely the last generation of physical games but then again Nintendo is usually at least 5 years behind the tech spectrum.
I think the PS4 looks fantastic and we'll wait and see what the drm situation is with that, but I don't get people loosing their minds over the 24 hour check in thing. At some point, progress requires change and change can be painful. It's the same thing with backwards compatibility. At some point, carrying all this stuff into future generations becomes a hindrance to progress. My internet is great. If I can't game for an hour because my internet is down I'm not going to loose my mind. I've never used Steam offline mode. I don't want to be accused of being MS defence force, but there's not much to say about the PS4, they've only talked about games. We are yet to get the details on how their DRM will work.
I fully expect the PS4 to come out with similar DRM policies to be honest
This must have been brought to the console makers by a coalition of the biggest publishers, EA probably leading the charge
So I see no reason to believe PS4 will come without similar restrictions
So my question to you is at what point is progress not worth the freedoms, rights, and benefits you have to sacrifice to participate?
Why do I need Microsoft's permission to play my games?
Games that I pay full ticket price for?
No, no thank you
I am out, plain and simple
The publishers don't want my business, that's up to them but I'm done. This is where I draw the line, this is where I will not compromise, where I will not give into their anti-consumer bullcrap
The good news has been confirmed and quoted hundreds of times: Sony will not implement a check-in requirement at the console level - You can take you PS4 and TV on an island with two outlets and have at it.
I'm sure there will be some DRM (i.e. publisher level), However, not as restricted as MS.
-At this rate Online pass seems fantastic... Here's hoping that's all Sony will expound on.
At a roundtable this morning, Sony's game studios chief, Shuhei Yoshida, told reporters that any requirement for users to register a game online in order to play it would be left to game publishers. Sony won't require that."
No, no thank you
I am out, plain and simple
The publishers don't want my business, that's up to them but I'm done. This is where I draw the line, this is where I will not compromise, where I will not give into their anti-consumer bullcrap
CBOAT said:1. Confirmed Microsoft is actively attempting to get developers to not mention PS4 versions. If they don't say "OUR GAME IS EXCLUSIVE FOR XBONE" expect a PS4 version. #truthfact
2. More DRM messaging at Gamescom. There is no rental strategy. Try to sweep it under the rug and hope people don't remember.
3. Cloud power was designed as DRM. Period. DRM was Microsoft's idea. EA and Ubisoft are supporters, Activision slightly less so.
4. DRM plans are actually worse than what they've stated.
5. Mirror's Edge 2 at MS conference.
6. Prince of Persia (reboot?) at MS conference.
7. Secret Phil Spencer game = World of Tanks
8. Live paywall still there.
9. Dead Rising 3, and exclusive DLC for another Capcom game at MS conference.
10. No online paywall for PS4. Unconfirmed.
11. No DRM info for PS4.
Is Microsofts forced switch to DSL only considered a good thing? Why? Some people have mentioned this. Is it because people didn't have to put up with slow connection players in multiplayer? Cause there aren't really any other reasons.
Microsoft said:In our role as a game publisher, Microsoft Studios will enable you to give your games to friends or trade in your Xbox One games at participating retailers. Third party publishers may opt in or out of supporting game resale and may set up business terms or transfer fees with retailers. Microsoft does not receive any compensation as part of this. In addition, third party publishers can enable you to give games to friends. Loaning or renting games won’t be available at launch, but we are exploring the possibilities with our partners.
CBOAT said:2. More DRM messaging at Gamescom. There is no rental strategy. Try to sweep it under the rug and hope people don't remember.
3. Cloud power was designed as DRM. Period. DRM was Microsoft's idea. EA and Ubisoft are supporters, Activision slightly less so.
4. DRM plans are actually worse than what they've stated.
I fully expect the PS4 to come out with similar DRM policies to be honest
This must have been brought to the console makers by a coalition of the biggest publishers, EA probably leading the charge
So I see no reason to believe PS4 will come without similar restrictions
So my question to you is at what point is progress not worth the freedoms, rights, and benefits you have to sacrifice to participate?
Why do I need Microsoft's permission to play my games?
Games that I pay full ticket price for?
No, no thank you
I am out, plain and simple
The publishers don't want my business, that's up to them but I'm done. This is where I draw the line, this is where I will not compromise, where I will not give into their anti-consumer bullcrap
It seems like it really could be worse than it seems now, and that Microsoft really may attempt to just brush it under the rug. The key point here is that lending and loaning won't actually be available at launch according to their very own press release, and if we're to believe CBOAT (who has a crazy good record), maybe these things might not come in to proper fruition at all?
Thoughts and predictions?
My only prediction is that MS won't mention or be willing to talk about anything DRM related at E3, I fully expect them to try and sweep the entire thing under the rug. I don't think we'll learn anything new about what Sony wants to do either, except maybe final clarification that the PS4 won't require an internet connect at all.
My only prediction is that MS won't mention or be willing to talk about anything DRM related at E3, I fully expect them to try and sweep the entire thing under the rug. I don't think we'll learn anything new about what Sony wants to do either, except maybe final clarification that the PS4 won't require an internet connect at all.
It seems like it really could be worse than it seems now, and that Microsoft really may attempt to just brush it under the rug. The key point here is that lending and loaning won't actually be available at launch according to their very own press release, and if we're to believe CBOAT (who has a crazy good record), maybe these things might not come in to proper fruition at all?
Thoughts and predictions?