I bet Sony's system would be bigger and have a external power supply if it was meant to be always on and act like cable box of sorts.
If this thing runs considerably quieter/cooler than the PS4 then it's vindication. If the differences are minimal then yeah, they're not as efficient as they could be.
speaking of quiet - if the TDP is only about 250W right now it could be possible to have an entirely passively cooled system come the 22nm shrink no?
An external power brick is ridiculous. Now I have to put it behind my TV and never look at it again.
220W (12 x 17.9 + 5 x 1)
Obviously the system isn't going to draw anywhere near 220
So realistically this thing is going to consume 100-120 watts right?
seriously, if Sony made the HW and MS did the OS, they could have something FANTASTIC
Console size: We wanted it to run cool, to run for a very long time, and we wanted it dead silent. To do so, big fans are needed, which leads to a larger size.
External power supply: One less thing to cool internally. When your power supply stops working, that's the only part that needs to be replaced, not the entire console.
A little more, as far as I know PSU gets efficient when running 80%+ of overall capacity.
Let's say 160-170.
An external power brick is ridiculous. Now I have to put it behind my TV and never look at it again.
170W is far too high for what the Xbox One is specced at.
Hardware specs: The number of shader cores, type of RAM etc. were all chosen for a reason that works best for our set of features. Running multiple OS'es, instant switching, running app side by side, the Kinect, and so forth.
Man that is HUGE.
You obviously don't own a 360S it seems.
220W (12 x 17.9 + 5 x 1)
An external power brick is ridiculous. Now I have to put it behind my TV and never look at it again.
Dat MS hardware engineering.
How many cable boxes come with an enormous power brick? I've had cable boxes since the remote was tethered to the box via a long cord and have never seen one.
Because cable boxes have power bricks... right ?
What's the point about being so angry over the power brick? Especially when they lay it out so clearly why they chose to make it external. They want to generate less heat in the box, for a system that is designed to always be on, and is easily replaceable. Seems pretty simple to me. Seriously, we"re going to complain about a power supply?
What's the point about being so angry over the power brick? Especially when they lay it out so clearly why they chose to make it external. They want to generate less heat in the box, for a system that is designed to always be on, and is easily replaceable. Seems pretty simple to me. Seriously, we"re going to complain about a power supply?
Point is: what's the point in shipping a large 220W PSU when your hardware cannot draw more than 120W ?
seriously, if Sony made the HW and MS did the OS, they could have something FANTASTIC
How many cable boxes double as a console with CPU, VGA, Ram, and Blu ray drive?
Re: xbox one dev
it's funny because the MS power supply was the only one to break on me this gen.
and xbox batteries (packs) were the only ones to fail on me this gen.
I have no idea. But since both the PS3 and Wii U ship with well over-specced power supplies, you can't make any conclusions about the XB1's power draw from the rating.
Try looking at it from an engineering design point of view rather than Xbox did it worse.
Hardware specs: The number of shader cores, type of RAM etc. were all chosen for a reason that works best for our set of features. Running multiple OS'es, instant switching, running app side by side, the Kinect, and so forth.
Console size: We wanted it to run cool, to run for a very long time, and we wanted it dead silent. To do so, big fans are needed, which leads to a larger size.
External power supply: One less thing to cool internally. When your power supply stops working, that's the only part that needs to be replaced, not the entire console.
Controller internal\external batteries: Same thing here. When the batteries works, you're wireless, great. When your batteries are drained, simply swap in another pair, you're still wireless. If they are internal, you'd have to be wired until they are charged.
We made it bigger and less powerful by design.
The power supply and AA batteries points are hysterical.
Why is it bigger than the 360's? Isn't the Xbone supposed to be more efficient?
There's no external PSU for PS3.
Point is: what's the point in shipping a large 220W PSU when your hardware cannot draw more than 120W ?
If I were to buy into the premise that I might need to replace the PSU (only PSU I've ever had die was a single proper cheap one in 20 odd years of fiddling with computers) , so it needs to be external (it could still be internal and be replaced easily) what do you do if your HDD dies?
Yeah.
That's why this "when your power supply stops working, that's the only part that needs to be replaced, not the entire console" excuse is just another example of Microsoft completely bullshitting the consumer.
The hard drive is way, WAY more prone to failure than the power supply in a system. So by that engineering "logic," why doesn't Microsoft make that part user-replaceable, like Sony does?