Are you kidding? The psu is not universal again? What the hell is wrong with them?
Why I am glad it's region free this time. Being in a grey market and buying a US console was a major pain thanks to this brick.
Are you kidding? The psu is not universal again? What the hell is wrong with them?
I bet Sony's system would be bigger and have a external power supply if it was meant to be always on and act like cable box of sorts.
no, i don't. lol
There's no external PSU for PS3.
I don't like when comparisons are made without something everyone knows included in the photo as a reference. I have no idea how small or big a 360S powerbrick is. Anyone care to add some regular daily item to the pic?
I can't wait for someone to tear apart the PS4 so we can compare both systems' internals. I really want to know how Sony managed to build a more powerful system that's smaller with an internal power supply.
ODD is WAY more prone to failure than hard disks.
How many cable boxes double as a console with CPU, VGA, Ram, and Blu ray drive?
It actually is meant to be always online. That was one of the highlights when they first revealed the PS4 in February. Instant Resume, background downloads, etc.I bet Sony's system would be bigger and have a external power supply if it was meant to be always on and act like cable box of sorts.
Does it matter? The internal PSU is still rated for a certain output.
seriously why is this so huge while PS4 doesn't even have one ?
I'm also very curious how the hell Sony is cooling that thing. Their PSU is internal.
With the number of power supply failures I've had on my PC over the years (and I pay a lot for reputable brands), I'd kind of like to have a power brick solution for my desktop...
I'm also very curious how the hell Sony is cooling that thing. Their PSU is internal.
Prophecy?
It doesnt appear to have the wattage rating explicitly stated however 12V * 17.9A = 214W, i.e can we assume xbox one is around a 200W system ?
Does it also power the Kinect or is that on a separate mains plug ?
With the number of power supply failures I've had on my PC over the years (and I pay a lot for reputable brands), I'd kind of like to have a power brick solution for my desktop...
why does it need to be so big? does anyone here have an electrical engineering background who can explain that to me?
Like this?
The cooling requirements for the PS4 are higher than the PS3 but not unmanageably so. It's likely going to be louder than the XB1 though, which MS has said is almost completely silent at all times (part of the reason for the unnecessarily huge fan).
Another Xbox thread.
Another thread full of haters.
As if the brick is such a huge cause for concern. My 360 has a brick. I haven't seen it since I bought the thing.
With the number of power supply failures I've had on my PC over the years (and I pay a lot for reputable brands), I'd kind of like to have a power brick solution for my desktop...
It's not unnecessary if it helps make the console quiet. It's a design choice.
The AC power cord for the PSU is the same type they use for PCs. It's the DC cabling from the PSU to the console that's proprietary.I'm not that annoyed by the externality of the PSU on the 360, but I am annoyed at the use of proprietary cables. On the PS3, if my power cable doesn't reach because of where I want to place the console, I can just buy a longer one. With 360 my positioning options are limited by the PSU
In the hifi world external power supplies are seen as a positive, high end feature. Just on an intuitive level I would rather have the PSU outside the box. It's not like you ever have to see the thing once it's behind your entertainment centre.
My ps3 superslim is really quiet when idling
What do you do to your machines? Honestly? And you do have a power brick solution, you just replace the power supply.
In the HiFi world there exists special bricks you're to put on top of your audio-source to clear up the audio.It's not really a scientific worldIt's a world filled with voodoo that's proven not to matter. If there was component or composite out on any of these two boxes, you'd have the grounds to present the argument. Since these boxes only serve digital audio with HDMI and optical, shielding is a non-concern. It simply doesn't have a chance to matter in a digital box. The audio will not be analogue until it's inside your TV or receiver.
Yes, absolutely I understand that as the audio out is digital on consoles a PSU can have no bearing on audio, which is why I said "intuitively". Power suppleys can interfere with electronics and introduce noise in audio (and I don't believe that is an audio voodoo myth) and while there is no reason for me to believe that it could interfere with the smooth running of a console - it gives me peace of mind on an intuitive level that the PSU is outside of the box.
There are real world good reasons to do it that way though - less internal heat means less noise required to cool, and any component being easily user replaceable is a safeguard against needing to send a console off for repair or replacement.
Since it has no actual draw backs in most people's entertainment set ups, and there are absolutely positives - it just seems like a good idea to me to go with an external unit.
Not the same hardware, not the same features, not the same design, ... so what's your point exactly ?
Nothing really - just play games. Maybe it's dust affecting cooling, but I feel like it is just shoddy components. I'm on my 5th PSU since 2009. 3 new, plus 2 RMAs. Last one to fail was a 750w OCZ, then a Zalman, and an Antec before that.
It's a pain to disconnect everything; I have to take the fan off my CPU in order to slide the PSU out. I'd rather just have it outside the case at this point.
Nothing really - just play games. Maybe it's dust affecting cooling, but I feel like it is just shoddy components. I'm on my 5th PSU since 2009. 3 new, plus 2 RMAs. Last one to fail was a 750w OCZ, then a Zalman, and an Antec before that.
It's a pain to disconnect everything; I have to take the fan off my CPU in order to slide the PSU out. I'd rather just have it outside the case at this point.
Yup, you're right. The magnetic field created from converting voltage can definitely interfere. But that would be in a bad setup. Most audio-equipment doesn't need much juice, so there's not much of a field created, anyway. There's a lot of noise associated with on-board audio and having your sound-card inside your computer (I'm definitely never going to have my sound interface inside of my computer again), but that's not from the PSU, it's from the other components doing their thing. Poor shielding and otherwise tons of cross-talk noise from the circuitry on a motherboard is the cause of this, and can be mended. But it requires proper engineering, as these components have to be close.
As such, MS lack of experience in hardware is a bigger concern when it comes to noise than PSU, as all magnetic fields fall off with the inverse square law. Which means very quickly. So unless you convert your audio to analogue inside the PSU, it wouldn't be a concern in a console.
So yes, you're absolutely right. It can interfere with analogue audio. But you'd have to design the hardware in a poor way. And in this digital machine, it can't interfere with anything, outside of actually messing up the entire running of the console. The PSU being user-replaceable is obviously an excuse given after the fact, when the HDD isn't user-replaceable within the same console. The PSU is very unlikely to fail, and might actually be more prone to failure once it's external, so it's not that clear-cut.
Nothing really - just play games. Maybe it's dust affecting cooling, but I feel like it is just shoddy components. I'm on my 5th PSU since 2009. 3 new, plus 2 RMAs. Last one to fail was a 750w OCZ, then a Zalman, and an Antec before that.
It's a pain to disconnect everything; I have to take the fan off my CPU in order to slide the PSU out. I'd rather just have it outside the case at this point.
why does it need to be so big? does anyone here have an electrical engineering background who can explain that to me?
I believe it is "almost inaudible... while not gaming" but can't find the link... =/The cooling requirements for the PS4 are higher than the PS3 but not unmanageably so. It's likely going to be louder than the XB1 though, which MS has said is almost completely silent at all times (part of the reason for the unnecessarily huge fan).
Like this?
The cooling requirements for the PS4 are higher than the PS3 but not unmanageably so. It's likely going to be louder than the XB1 though, which MS has said is almost completely silent at all times (part of the reason for the unnecessarily huge fan).
You must either be incredibly unlucky or have a really bad (fluctuating) power line. In 20 years of PCs I can remember I only had a single PSU break, and that was directly related to lightning striking the house it was running in!Nothing really - just play games. Maybe it's dust affecting cooling, but I feel like it is just shoddy components. I'm on my 5th PSU since 2009. 3 new, plus 2 RMAs. Last one to fail was a 750w OCZ, then a Zalman, and an Antec before that.
It's a pain to disconnect everything; I have to take the fan off my CPU in order to slide the PSU out. I'd rather just have it outside the case at this point.
The brick looks like a lil xbone.
Thats cute.
Buy a Seasonic.
Also, what rating are you buying for what components?
what do you have connected? sounds like you either have high ambient and lots of dust or are overloading it somehow - maybe just one of the rails
anyone ever have a power supply fail on them on their launch or other PS3s? I haven't, but that dev note makes it seems like it is a common thing with internal power supplies failing...and you having to replace the whole thing.
The AC power cord for the PSU is the same type they use for PCs. It's the DC cabling from the PSU to the console that's proprietary.