geordiemp
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No thank god.
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Xbox One rep system being abused like we all knew it would.
- Thread starter SatansReverence
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No thank god.
SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
Actually, MS is at fault for making such an easily abuseable system.
geordiemp
Member
its still conceptually stupid.
Play allot of coop Destiny and minecraft = you are a nice player. Cuddles.
Play allot of COD multiplayer = you are a jerk. Hate..
Pretty obvious to anyone with some reasoning, and not very clever system is it ?
0ptimusPayne
Member
Damn Halo just can't get a break...Back on topic, I actually didn't know the rep system still existed. I had terrible rep in the 360 days, those kids fucking hated me for destroying them in some Halo 3 MM..
Just like the 360 report system it is a little bit pointless as people don't leave good feedback so you can't build up any kind of credit.
People throw their toys out of the Pram for the tiniest thing .
Kill a player too many times in Halo?
Negged for winning
Hold a power weapon? Sniper noob
Negged
Brush a car in Forza?
Negged
Too good?
Negged
Not good enough?
Negged
People throw their toys out of the Pram for the tiniest thing .
Kill a player too many times in Halo?
Negged for winning
Hold a power weapon? Sniper noob
Negged
Brush a car in Forza?
Negged
Too good?
Negged
Not good enough?
Negged
Source 1: http://news.xbox.com/2014/03/xbox-one-leveling-up-reputation
Source 2: http://news.xbox.com/2013/07/games-reputation-feature
Works like a charm... Was the case on the Xbox 360 and still is on the Xbox One. Punishing people because they are better than others is just awesome.
The question is how do they fix this issue? Wouldn't it be fixed, if the players received good feedback automatically, if they are not reported in a certain time frame?
I was not destroying people by any means, but I was average and still have a 90% avoid you REP on the 360. I don't even know how that should work, because I came across millions of players probably and 900k reported me? Seems pretty unlikely.
We all know that people, when they give feedback, don't ever give good feedback. When they use the system, they only give bad feedback.
Source 2: http://news.xbox.com/2013/07/games-reputation-feature
Works like a charm... Was the case on the Xbox 360 and still is on the Xbox One. Punishing people because they are better than others is just awesome.
The question is how do they fix this issue? Wouldn't it be fixed, if the players received good feedback automatically, if they are not reported in a certain time frame?
I was not destroying people by any means, but I was average and still have a 90% avoid you REP on the 360. I don't even know how that should work, because I came across millions of players probably and 900k reported me? Seems pretty unlikely.
We all know that people, when they give feedback, don't ever give good feedback. When they use the system, they only give bad feedback.
From Halo, I'm guessing.
This has always been an issue with Halo and no doubt plenty of other games, people want to win and want to have the biggest number next to their name whether they are good enough or not. It was one of the key reasons for ditching rank in Reach and Halo 4.
Basically people are dicks and don't give a shit about what they do and he it affects other people. We also know that these sale types of people are malicious (look at the swatting phenomenon).
So what can a developer do, I think when it comes to Halo 343/Bungie could never win on this front. You will have people they ruin the matchmaking system by exploiting it no matter.
7DollarHagane
Banned
I don't think it'd happen unless you were being a shit player or teamkilling or just being a pain in the ass.
EventHorizon
Member
This is the way to handle it. The more general solution is to attach some kind of cost to negatively rating a player. That way the player has to decide if it is really worth it. As you suggested diluting your vote is one way to handle it. Another is to simply only allow a gamer a limited number of negative votes. Still another way to do this would be to also lower the reputation of the gamer giving the low score a little bit. If someone was truely anoying to play with then taking sush a hit would be worth it.
All of these suggestions would make these negative ratings more meaningfull so the system would have an easier time identifying the truely bad players.
However as a general rule I don't have a problem with players being able to indicate that they don't want to play with another player because of a difference in skill level. After all that is what a skill ranking ststem should do. So I would applaud a seperate system that would allow a player to indicate that they didn't want to play with another due to a skill imbalance. Such a system should come with some limitations. First, that such an indication is mearly a request, not absolute. Such a request would be used as another data point in the matching algorithm. Second is that the game should check for objective measures of skill imbalance such as extremeley high kill to death ratios to approve such a request. Third that such a system have nothing to do with a reputation system or banning.
SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
Actually, it's an xbox thing.
Bad players will blame the loss on anything including their team even when they are the biggest anchor on it.
Shivvy_NTL
Member
IKR, ms should just dump it
SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
I am in favor of the entire system being dropped. It never needed to exist in the first place.
The rep system is beyond broken.
My friend went from green rep to orange rep in about 8 hours... and hey, he only got to green rep a day before that from red rep.
The worst part of all... it takes about 2 weeks on average to get from red rep back to green...
I suppose it really could do with some tweaks to stop this but it's absolutely annoying when people abuse a system that's designed to help people. Screws over everybody and everyone pays for it in the end. Same thing happened with game sharing.
The rep system is meaningless to me. I've been pretty much 100% avoided since the start of the 360.
Beat someone in Halo? Bad rep, and I have a ton from rhythm games, me and a friend used to play a lot of Guitar Hero pro face off online and whenever wed play with randoms, we would end up with negative rep, I also have had negative rep because I refuse to play with people without DLC
Beat someone in Halo? Bad rep, and I have a ton from rhythm games, me and a friend used to play a lot of Guitar Hero pro face off online and whenever wed play with randoms, we would end up with negative rep, I also have had negative rep because I refuse to play with people without DLC
Maximus P
Member
System needs an overhaul.
You'd think with the new feature that allows us to record the last 30 seconds of gameplay they'd have some sort of system in place that would allow us to send clips with our reports to show proof of cheating,glitching or abuse.
I don't see why we need to have our rep on show, it's completely pointless and proves nothing at this point.
You'd think with the new feature that allows us to record the last 30 seconds of gameplay they'd have some sort of system in place that would allow us to send clips with our reports to show proof of cheating,glitching or abuse.
I don't see why we need to have our rep on show, it's completely pointless and proves nothing at this point.
SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
Unfortunately who would want to sift through piles and piles of lag and lucky shots to find the actual cheaters?
My rep is 100%, but I was kicked out of the preview program two days ago from an infraction that happened New Years Eve, and wasn't even my fault.
I was playing JackBox for a party, and streaming so people could join in. Somebody with a foul name joined while I was tending to my party and I was reported.
Enforcement doesn't care (They have bigger things to deal with I guess), but it's a bummer.
I was playing JackBox for a party, and streaming so people could join in. Somebody with a foul name joined while I was tending to my party and I was reported.
Enforcement doesn't care (They have bigger things to deal with I guess), but it's a bummer.
constantstatic
Member
This is not really true I play tons of cod always have over a 2kd in every game and never get negative rep. I do avoid bad players and those lacking skill on my team. Sometimes I will also avoid people with out a mic. I actually forgot this still existed on the xbone it's a non issue for most people.
Whoa you can get banned because you are good at a video game and people try to avoid you?
Shit man, after i played CoD MW2 and was constant in the top3-4 in matches (x360) my rep went down there as well as people wanted to avoid me, and even more so in Halo 3 MP. However the rep there didn't affect much at all, but this? Good grief.
Shit man, after i played CoD MW2 and was constant in the top3-4 in matches (x360) my rep went down there as well as people wanted to avoid me, and even more so in Halo 3 MP. However the rep there didn't affect much at all, but this? Good grief.
This is something that happens with any user-moderated system that involves little to no oversight from an outside party. That it was ever propped up as a good thing seems ridiculous to me.
There's literally no point to a reputation system if it's not accurately measuring your conduct in games instead of being merely a popularity-by-committee measure used mostly by angry gamers.
For the amount of money Microsoft makes from XBL, expecting users to moderate themselves is just penny-pinching in the highest order and part of what has led to the most revolting aspects of using XBL in totality.
There's literally no point to a reputation system if it's not accurately measuring your conduct in games instead of being merely a popularity-by-committee measure used mostly by angry gamers.
For the amount of money Microsoft makes from XBL, expecting users to moderate themselves is just penny-pinching in the highest order and part of what has led to the most revolting aspects of using XBL in totality.
Nydius
Member
Unfortunately, without a real change to the reputation system it's all but guaranteed to happen in any quasi-competitive PVP game.
timetokill
Banned
My rep was always terrible on 360 and I didn't even play much online. Just angry people on Halo I guess.
Calm Killer
In all media, only true fans who consume every book, film, game, or pog collection deserve to know what's going on.
Yeah, only that its not still broken. It has been working properly for months. The only reason people think it's not working is people keep spewing hate about it.
Well that kills my desire to ever own an Xbox One. Wow.
yellow submarine
Member
guys.. you can just block anyone other than your friends from sending you messages in the privacy options menu on xbone.
The Real Napsta
Member
It's fixed now though.
I'm can't blame MS for trying to allow their customers the ability to filter their online experience... I can't agree with folks who say a system like this shouldnt exist at all... Im sure that players who truly are foul DO receive bad rep and ARE isolated from the population, as intended. It probably works just fine for the vast majority of players.
The only problem is that the algorithm can't truly determine someone's true motives behind giving bad rep. To compensate for this, it assumes that respectful players who are highly skilled will only get 'a few' bad reports monthly... At the extreme fringes of playtime and skill, this isn't the true... There just needs to be manual intervention in these scenarios to verify claims and scrub false reports from players who don't deserve them.
The only problem is that the algorithm can't truly determine someone's true motives behind giving bad rep. To compensate for this, it assumes that respectful players who are highly skilled will only get 'a few' bad reports monthly... At the extreme fringes of playtime and skill, this isn't the true... There just needs to be manual intervention in these scenarios to verify claims and scrub false reports from players who don't deserve them.
What has this to do with anything?
Any more info on this? I'm assuming you just played normally and got false reported, but a 1 day ban isn't something that you should get so easily, is it? Just so sad to see stuff like this happening.
Also, I love how people can get banned by people abusing the system. Meanwhile, idiots who betray you over weapons or are just jumping down from the maps are still allowed to play. Terrible system.
No one. This is why there should be an automatic positive feedback system after each match. If <insert time here> have passed and the player didn't receive any negative feedback, give him automatically positive feedback.
Terrible system? Or is it a terrible option to allow the possibility to kill your own team mates in games.
Friendly Fire off is terrible in competetive Halo gamemodes. Halo 5 Beta was a good example. People would just throw grenades/shoot their Rockets into your direction to get a kill on the enemy you are fighting with. If it's turned on, it raises more awareness of what's going on.
I'm fine with it being disabled in BTB or in the new Warzone mode, but not in 4vs4 modes.
You also want a resurgence in the series, which will bring in casuals, which will bring in the game play you saw in the beta, can't blame people who are use to playing like that over the last 10 years. You can't be reporting people for that imo
Marvel
could never
I used to, 5 years ago.
Scully Scully Scoo
Member
"I myself have about 90% avoid on 360 when I avoided talking to random players or even interacting with them"
Erm that could be why they avoided u, some people hate playing with people who dont talk
Erm that could be why they avoided u, some people hate playing with people who dont talk
I used to have a 92% avoid rate on the 360. Got tons of hate mail too. BF3 was especially fun with the player rented servers.
I don't think the rep system made a difference on 360. My avoid rate was like a trophy. When I heard how they were going to make it more important on the xbone, it was just one more thing to add to the list of reasons to not buy it.
lol what? There's a difference between somebody betraying you ocasionally (not intentional) and somebody betraying you over a power weapon or because it's fun. Take a look:
This is from 2 of my matches on the same day. But I guess it's fun!!!
Besides that, we never had Friendly Fire disabled in Halo, until Halo 4 Infinity settings. There's no such thing as resurgence, in terms of Friendly Fire being disabled. Halo 5 will have Friendly Fire in 4vs4 gametypes.
Stallion Dan
Member
This is why games just need real servers with admins. The community will police itself, players wh like being pricks go to the prick friendly server, and if they go to a nomal server the admin bans them. Any bad admins will find their server empty after they abuse the power too much.
I remember people would do that in order to get a free xbox name change. Since changing you gamertag cost like £6 or whatever, if enough people reported your gamertag, then Microsoft would not even look at it and just automatically invalidate the gamertag and make you choose a new one, essentially giving you a free name change.
SaganIsGOAT
Junior Member
You can make all the excuses you want but people with bad rep usually deserve it. Just saying...
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