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Xbox One vs Steam | How the two are actually very different
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quickwhips
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With Windows RT we might see that software on X1 will work on future generations so this might be true.
Xbox 360 had a few sales but MS reps have said they would like pricing on older games to be like steam
Cheaper has alot to do with how things were Same day of release so alot of this is wait and see.
X1 is a digital download service but you can buy physical codes (disc) in store plus you can resell your games.
You can play online but you have to check in once every 24 hours.
Alot of things aren't totally clear yet to say it won't be like steam at all is really silly at this point. But to say it will is also silly. I'll post back in a year and see how close either one of us was. Also how many steam games were on sale when the service first launched? And how many games on day one are on sale? I know they had borderland 4 packs but besides stuff like that...one copy of retail game at good price?
Honestly, the bigger issue than something minor than this were the hacked steam clients that could download and run any game (but not use online stuff)
Couldn't you also let your friend borrow your xbone account? Except with xbone you would have to authenticate on your home machine then go into offline mode and then let your friend borrow your account and use your account t on their system for up to 24 hours before you have to reauthenticate? No?
Miles Quaritch
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I assume you mean back ups?
Otherwise doesn't this mean you can share one game with an infinite number of people?
Fixed1979
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We only have a single console switch to judge MS by, and while it could be true, I'm more likely to lean on the side that it won't be. Unfortunately we probably won't find out one way or another few quite a few years.
- Trading games being permitted is up to the Publisher.
- You can buy Steam games that are installed via the disc.
Horsemama1956
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It says right in the Steam TOS you cant give your password to anyone or share your account. Took like 2 seconds to Crtl-F "share" to find out. The fact that people can get away with it isn't an argument.
IISANDERII
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Yeah what the hell is going on?
Cerebral Assassin
Member
Your 2nd point is incorrect(PC games are still available at retail) & your 1st point isn't certain to still be the case in the future(depending on EU judgements).
Puppet Shadow
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The cons of Steam were pointed out. See my post above the one you quoted.
And you should absolutely feel free to point out any positives XB One has over Steam. I'll get the ball rolling.
You wouldn't let your 14 year old son use your Steam account as you may have M rated games on it, there's a filter on the XB One so you decide what he can play.
It could if the game is DRM free (not using Steamworks/any other DRM). But I think he mainly means to redownload your game if you happen to build/buy a new PC.
If that wasn't obvious enough.
Steam is a digital download store, and on occasion, function as a DRM service. But it is not in and of itself DRM. Steamworks games? You have to be logged onto Steam to play them. Most any other game? Not the case, boot from your desktop if you so want.
Miles Quaritch
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Ah, okay. Thanks for the clarification.
holy crap you are wrong on almost all accounts.
- steam is a close service. You cant put your game on it unless approved like any other digital service
- Your XBL account works on your pc ..windows phone .. and xbox one and 360.
- you can log into any xbox 360 or xbox one and download your games.
- most new games on steam are full price.. $50 - $60 for big titles.
- we have yet to see if steam type sales will appear.
- xbox one is digital download service.. i am not sure what you are getting at here.
- steam allows offline play to certain titles dictated by the publisher and only if you enable the feature and have logged in recently on the same pc.
this is getting to be ridiculous.
- steam is a close service. You cant put your game on it unless approved like any other digital service
- Your XBL account works on your pc ..windows phone .. and xbox one and 360.
- you can log into any xbox 360 or xbox one and download your games.
- most new games on steam are full price.. $50 - $60 for big titles.
- we have yet to see if steam type sales will appear.
- xbox one is digital download service.. i am not sure what you are getting at here.
- steam allows offline play to certain titles dictated by the publisher and only if you enable the feature and have logged in recently on the same pc.
this is getting to be ridiculous.
Sentenza
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What means is that there's much stopping you to do it; it doesn't mean you "can" or "should" do it.
In the same way you could also duplicate your games discs or download pirated ISO files, which doesn't mean you are supposed to.
On the other hand, legally speaking you aren't even supposed to borrow your games from past console generations. Or movies, or music CDs, for all that matters.
You can, although it is against the ToS. But you can download the same game on as many systems as you like. I have mine on my laptop, PC, on the PC at my parents house etc. The beauty of it is that there's usually a PC or laptop in every household, I doubt that'll be the case with the XO.
Metalmurphy
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Made a similar thread just a few hours ago, it was unfortunately locked.
You can still see all the points that were made in it though
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=580491
You can still see all the points that were made in it though
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=580491
You'll be able to download Xbox One games on as many consoles as you want too, so where's the difference there? You'd need to be logged in to play them on the other consoles though, but I think Steam games (outside the few that don't have DRM) are the same.
Monty Mole
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Trade-ins are the big current positive over Steam for XB1. Although as someone mentioned above, under EU law perhaps we will see a similar system on Steam in future (this would affect all digital services). I'd forgotten about that, interesting times ahead.
Just some clarifications in bold.
And there are some additional XBone differences, such as being able to sell and give games after activation.
This is the fifth or sixth thread about this exact issue. Neither are still up.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=580491
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=579777
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=579605
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=578954
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=580491
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=579777
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=579605
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=578954
Metalmurphy
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Probably the reason they keep popping up.
Fixed1979
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Do we know if the XBone has unlimited downloads? I would think it would, but wouldn't be surprised if it was capped either for a single console, or a maximum amount of consoles.
alexandros
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Apparently it says to do so in the script. Boy, I'd love to take a look at that script.
Not true, if you shop around. Green man gaming, Amazon, and eBay all have deals on steam games.. most of which get the game to 40 bucks or lower. I got tomb raider on launch for 35 and bioshock infinite for 30, for example
I don't agree with those. I guarantee the vast majority of it's software sales will be retail. With respect to pricing, right now PSN/XBL games have on average more expensive digital download versions than their cheaper physical retail counterparts, despite the massive cost savings on the digital side. You think this is going to change? It's a completely different situation with Steam games.
Also, is it confirmed the XO allows for unlimited downloads on different XO's? The main thing I was eluding to was unlimited downloads on any computer. As in, PC's, laptops etc to whichever households you routinely stay at or visit. Naturally the XO will be far less widespread.
Things may change in the future with Steam. GabeN has talked about a more open Steam allowing users to basically do anything they want. Maybe even publishing any game they want on Steam. He talked about people being able to set up their own shops, with what I'm not sure of but it all sounds interesting.
Yeah someone in this thread already said that game discs are just "physical codes" for digital distribution. Yeah, suuuuuuuure.
Xbone is physical, Steam is digital. That's why everyone is pissed at the weird restrictions on the Xbone.
steam itself is a closed platform. The PC is not of course.
The biggest differences between the two is the online check in period. Other than that, they are fairly similar. Prices of course are low on steam, but we don't know how Microsoft will price their stuff. And price honestly shouldn't really be a discussion point when talking about drm because even if the games are $1, the drm could still be the same. Unless of course people only care about DRM if the prices are high and if they are low they throw out all of the complaints about consumer rights.
The biggest differences between the two is the online check in period. Other than that, they are fairly similar. Prices of course are low on steam, but we don't know how Microsoft will price their stuff. And price honestly shouldn't really be a discussion point when talking about drm because even if the games are $1, the drm could still be the same. Unless of course people only care about DRM if the prices are high and if they are low they throw out all of the complaints about consumer rights.
This. I just want the traditional methods associated with buying physical. Buying, trading, selling privately or otherwise, lending, borrowing etc, without headache or pitfalls.
Marty Chinn
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Xbox One has physical and digital.
Steam has physical and digital.
Stitch
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Well you could log into Steam on your friends PC, download the game that he wants and then set his Steam to offline mode but I'm sure no one would do this.... ◕ ◡ ◕
Nope, you can stay offline forever if you want.
Riky
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I purchased Left 4 Dead 2 on DVD, how is that different?
i have a ton of physical PC games I bought on disc that are steam enabled. I cant trade those in... at all.
I really hate how people are coming out of the woodworks as Steam apologists. Steam does have comparable closed-platform policies to the Xbox One. If we are unsatisfied with those from Microsoft we should be universally so.
Now some people say it is prices that make the difference. That's pretty much the one justification I buy; that it's OK as long as you pay less for a transient, controlled experience.
If you think Steam isn't a closed, controlled, online-dependent platform, talk to people who have had their entire accounts and libraries revoked. The problem here is that the company has complete and final authority on what you can and cannot do with your software.
Now some people say it is prices that make the difference. That's pretty much the one justification I buy; that it's OK as long as you pay less for a transient, controlled experience.
If you think Steam isn't a closed, controlled, online-dependent platform, talk to people who have had their entire accounts and libraries revoked. The problem here is that the company has complete and final authority on what you can and cannot do with your software.
From IGN "Xbox One will also allow you to give up to 10 family members access to "log in and play from your shared games library on any Xbox One." Similar to Xbox 360, "a family member can play your copy of Forza Motorsport at a friends house. Only now, they will see not just Forza, but all of your shared games. You can always play your games, and any one of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time." So this is also a positive.Also I don't know if steam allows you to gift your old game to a friend.This could also be a positive.
I think there is a very good chance. MS likes to mimic success. The success of Steam is a very real thing, and very easy to see thing. Why not try to mimic that? A box that sells more digital than retail would be to MS's benefit since they would be getting a larger cut.
They certainly said you could login and download on any XO. I guess there could be some fine print that says, only on 5 different boxes or something like that. But with the need to check in online every hour on boxes that aren't the main one, I don't see why they would do that.
windu said:
I find this particular interesting around here.
Puppet Shadow
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I run all my non Steam games (like Minecraft) through Steam.
Yet I can only play 360 games on my 360, XB One games on my XB One. I must be missing your point, sorry.
Same as Steam. However I have to redownload on my home PC to play at home, so this is a good point.
Not true. I can only think of one game where I couldn't find a deal day one. (Skyrim)
This I doubt, as you're forced to buy digital XBox One games from publishers or MS only. No competition.
Oddly enough, I do all my PC gaming on my own PC. I do not need to log in to play after downloading and starting a game. Note: I do have to log in to Rockstar's Social club and Ubisoft's thing though, so you're partly correct on this one.
True, the comparison should not keep coming up.
They got closed not because there is a pro-steam agenda. But because its the same thread again and again.
The fundamental problem with Steam is that it doesn't let me sell games I own. They let me sell or trade items. But not let me sell games I own.
And whilst Xbox one is convoluted beyond measure. It does still allow you to sell games. At least the store bought ones anyway. Hardly worth it with the draconian DRM. But the opportunity is there.
The fundamental problem with Steam is that it doesn't let me sell games I own. They let me sell or trade items. But not let me sell games I own.
And whilst Xbox one is convoluted beyond measure. It does still allow you to sell games. At least the store bought ones anyway. Hardly worth it with the draconian DRM. But the opportunity is there.
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And people wonder why these threads are locked =/.
It is not like steam. End of story.
It is not like steam. End of story.
Manmademan
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it's a sad state of affairs that this thread is necessary.
Not thread whining here- just that this particular talking point (it's just the same as steam! so it's OK!) has become ridiculously common almost overnight, and it's completely nonsensical.
Not thread whining here- just that this particular talking point (it's just the same as steam! so it's OK!) has become ridiculously common almost overnight, and it's completely nonsensical.
Cheese Raptor
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Rebel Leader
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Saw this on reddit:
Atleast I know I can play off line. Metro or no metro.
and there are start menu add-ons =D
and still play a game that was made in 1998
Saw this on reddit:
Yes. lets go from drms and and crappy used game program to drms and no used games what so ever.
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