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Zizi sexuelle expo

nikolino840

Member
Zizi sexuel (wee-wee sex) (If you can't tell, I am blushing from behind the screen.) This is the name of an expo that's being held at the Cité des Sciences et de l'Industrie in Paris. Not only is this an entire expo on sexuality for young people, but there's also a component where the schools organize field trips to the Cité to learn more about sexuality. It's the second time I've seen it in Paris, and it's got a controversy following it.

Themes the expo explores and give children are around the essential value of love, intimacy, the mystery of love, the anatomy of a man and woman, the "secret" of puberty, masturbation, consensual sex, sexually transmitted diseases, and equality between men and woman.

One of the more controversial aspects is a section on breaking gender stereotypes by telling boys and girls, "you can choose your gender." Just because you were born one, you can choose to be another.

This program is hotly debated and contested by major right-wing associations. While France proudly claims it's a laïc state (secular state), it is also, traditionally, a very Catholic country. I have to say, for such a secular state, I've never seen so many major official holidays also be major Catholic ones. For example: all schools have a two-weeks holiday for Toussaint (All Saint's Day). It's quite incredible. And the largest demonstrations I've seen over the past year, by the largest traditional Catholic association MANIF Pour Tous, have been anti-gay-marriage and, well, basically anti-anything if it isn't about just a man, a woman, and their children together.

The extreme-right Association SOS Education got 30,000 signatures to protest what's being exhibited at Zizi sexuel claiming, among other things, that the expo is pointless, that this 1/2-day field trip should not be used for this sort of subject and masturbation should not be taught to children.

Controversy aside, I've never seen an entire expo devoted to helping children explore and learn about their changing bodies and the universe of topics stemming from these changes. I think if it's approached thoughtfully and carefully by parents, it could be a great moment to expose this part of growing up to their children. It seems a good way to take control of a topic that can normally get out-of-control quickly with so much exposure on social media and by peers.

Using a famous French cartoon character, Tifeuf, the cartoonist Zep creates visuals that reminded me of the books I'd been given when I was starting puberty: Where Did I Come From? and What's Happening To Me? The site itself is colorful and features the same cartoon characters from the pub(publicity) in different stories explaining about being in love, puberty, making love, making a baby, and "open your eye" to the dangers of certain predators. I'm quite curious about the flip-books they offer for sale (also available on the internet) demonstrating "the kiss/making love," "puberty" (boy and girl versions), and "tits / sperm"!

The field trips for the classes don't start until CM1 (Fourth Grade), which is a little young, but then again, kids these days seem to be exposed to more than we were in our youth and experiment earlier. I am hoping I have a few more years before I need to get into this stuff with my 5-year old...although he already has a girlfriend who caresses his neck, arms, cheeks...and gives him kisses. (uh oh!)

The site has an English-language feature but sorry there is no info on Zizi sexuel en anglais.

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ExpandKong

Banned
The “secret” of puberty: it fuckin sucks

Please pay me ten French francs, or five of real money thank you Murcia
 

Mistake

Member
When I was little I went to a section of a museum featuring nudity. Sculptures, paintings, etc. I asked my mother about it, and she didn’t say much, but I’m thankful for the experience nonetheless. Kids will naturally be curious about some things, and as long as its dealt with directly, I don’t see much harm in it. Except for gender confusion, that probably does more harm than good. The above examples are pretty odd though
 
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When I was little I went to a section of a museum featuring nudity. Sculptures, paintings, etc. I asked my mother about it, and she didn’t say much, but I’m thankful for the experience nonetheless. Kids will naturally be curious about some things, and as long as its dealt with directly, I don’t see much harm in it. Except for gender confusion, that probably does more harm than good. The above examples are pretty odd though

Nothing wrong with educating your child's curiousity. But as adults we should know when to allow them to just be kids for a while longer. A parent should have a choice in not answering curiousities.

This is more like feeding a curiousity faster than it needs to be feed. Too many ways for someone to take advantage of a child this way, sure they are not going in blind but they are not going to have the natural hesitation that this is something private or intimate that needs more maturity to think about. You don't have to hide sexuality or gender from a child but are you really still a child if you need to know what your private parts are used for besides taking a pee?

What is the rush? Just let them be kids, I could understand this if we lived back in the days when humans would die at 30 years old so getting married at 15 was seen as too old smh. We live to be 70 now they have time.

What I see here are just adult insecurities thinking they can help kids avoid how they feel about sex and gender by force feeding them something they are not asking for.

When I was a curious child I had other curious children my own age to explore growing up with that is just natural pacing. You explore you learn at your own pace. Most of these kids are not going to be as curious about sex and gender as those adults trying to make this freak show look normal.
 
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E-Cat

Member
I saw my first porn video around the age of 7. Can't say I'm any worse for it, found it quite titillating actually.

Didn't have any teen sex, either (not for lack of being horny, mind you, but because I was awkward).
 
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Alx

Member
While France proudly claims it's a laïc state (secular state), it is also, traditionally, a very Catholic country. I have to say, for such a secular state, I've never seen so many major official holidays also be major Catholic ones. For example: all schools have a two-weeks holiday for Toussaint (All Saint's Day). It's quite incredible.

The major point of that is the difference between culture and cultural heritage. Sure we have holidays that match the major Catholic ones. Except that almost nobody cares about the Catholic part any more (August 15th is just "the one for summer vacations", "Toussaint" is "the one where we go to cemeteries" or just "the one with bad weather", Pentecôte is "who cares about Pentecôte ?" etc).

And the largest demonstrations I've seen over the past year, by the largest traditional Catholic association MANIF Pour Tous, have been anti-gay-marriage and, well, basically anti-anything if it isn't about just a man, a woman, and their children together.

It's true the active Catholic community can prove very active on such topics. They're also a minority, with a huge part of the population being ok with gay marriage and gay couples having kids.

As for the discussed expo, well I'd need to see it myself to judge how appropriate it is. But generally speaking, it does make a lot of sense to teach kids going through puberty what it's all about, and many parents would welcome some help to do it. In any case, it's best you don't wait and let the kids learn it through online porn....
(oh and technically Zep is Swiss, not French)
 
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cryptoadam

Banned
So we have gone from being born in the wrong body to just out right saying you can chose your gender.

Its not even about it being a condition like gender dysphoria its like a pair of socks now and you can just chose and change any day of the week.

If the coronavirus dont get us us the soyvirus will.
 

jason10mm

Gold Member
My parents left out a copy of the book "Our bodies, ourselves" which explained pretty much everything about puberty, sex, and (primarily) women's bodies. It was probably intended for my sisters to find and read but I learned quite a bit from it! That's the passive American way of educating our young about sex :p
 

Yoshi

Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
So we have gone from being born in the wrong body to just out right saying you can chose your gender.

Its not even about it being a condition like gender dysphoria its like a pair of socks now and you can just chose and change any day of the week.

If the coronavirus dont get us us the soyvirus will.
Wrong topic?
 

Mista

Banned
Understandable for females since they hit puberty way earlier than males. But not little kids in general, they don’t need this at their age.

Sure teach them about all sexual harassment indications to make them aware but sex? That’s very early
 

12Goblins

Lil’ Gobbie
France is very a very open country when it comes to sexuality, and if you look at the numbers and outcomes - they become much more mature and responsible when it comes to sex, ie even though they are MORE promiscuous, they have much LOWER pregnancy rates, STD rates, etc.

in the US you don't talk about sex, and it's a disaster

Kids are much smarter than we assume here in the States. We treat them like they need protection, but really by doing so we are only protecting ourselves. By the time they are teenagers, they need an adult level understanding of sex, and France equips them with this.
 
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12Goblins

Lil’ Gobbie
^I bet

"the depraved stuff on porn sites always comes from France. "

either you don't think we watch porn or you got your countries mixed up
 
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DESTROYA

Member
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“What are we looking at?”
I bet they think they are looking at those flavored frozen icy pop treats you used to get in the summer time.
More like
“I wonder what flavor those are”
Those kids look to damn young to have any clue on how human sexual biology actually works.They look like they are 7-8 years old.
 
France is very a very open country when it comes to sexuality, and if you look at the numbers and outcomes - they become much more mature and responsible when it comes to sex, ie even though they are MORE promiscuous, they have much LOWER pregnancy rates, STD rates, etc.

in the US you don't talk about sex, and it's a disaster

Kids are much smarter than we assume here in the States. We treat them like they need protection, but really by doing so we are only protecting ourselves. By the time they are teenagers, they need an adult level understanding of sex, and France equips them with this.

They have sex education in the US during the ages 10-13. These kids in these pics are too young for this shit.

The pregnancies may be a sign of a wider demographic trend rather than sex ed. You may find that the US takes more risks in general than the French. Like defending the country and such.
 
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12Goblins

Lil’ Gobbie
I bet they think they are looking at those flavored frozen icy pop treats you used to get in the summer time.
More like
“I wonder what flavor those are”
Those kids look to damn young to have any clue on how human sexual biology actually works.They look like they are 7-8 years old.

anecdotally, those kids will have a more sophisticated understanding of human sexuality by the time they are 14-15 than the average american does at 21. Sexual development begins in the first few years of life, Not 10-13. Protect the children if you must - but really you are protecting yourself and stunting their growth (see: responses in this thread). Americans tend to think this kind of shit is in the spectrum of pedophilia, which IMO is just sad and just goes to show you how behind we are.
 
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DESTROYA

Member
anecdotally, those kids will have a more sophisticated understanding of human sexuality by the time they are 14-15 than the average american does at 21. Sexual development begins in the first few years of life, Not 10-13. Protect the children if you must - but really you are protecting yourself and stunting their growth (see: responses in this thread). Americans tend to think this kind of shit is in the spectrum of pedophilia, which IMO is just sad and just goes to show you how behind we are.
That’s very disingenuous without any facts to back that up. Either way I don’t care and don’t want strangers teaching kids that young about sexual development that’s just creepy.
Would you like to have Joe Biden teaching your kids about getting a woody and how to use it?
 

Alx

Member
Looking more into it, it seems that the expo isn't scheduled at the moment, the last time it happened was in 2015. You have to wonder how the OP has seen it "being held at the Cité des sciences".
Another funny thing is that back in 2015, the expo was criticized for being too conservative, only mentioning heterosexuality and pushing traditional gendered ideas like "boys are more interested in sex and girls are more romantic".
Care to give us an unbroken link nikolino840 nikolino840 ?
 

nikolino840

Member
Looking more into it, it seems that the expo isn't scheduled at the moment, the last time it happened was in 2015. You have to wonder how the OP has seen it "being held at the Cité des sciences".
Another funny thing is that back in 2015, the expo was criticized for being too conservative, only mentioning heterosexuality and pushing traditional gendered ideas like "boys are more interested in sex and girls are more romantic".
Care to give us an unbroken link nikolino840 nikolino840 ?
I saw this many years ago in my TW home and the replies was the same of gaf's replies 😂
 

Alx

Member
I saw this many years ago in my TW home and the replies was the same of gaf's replies 😂

So your OP that is timestamped "Today at 9:52 AM" (or whatever timezone you're in) is actually a copy-paste of a post you made 5 years ago ? Could have mentioned that... Also you might want to fix all the "gender stereotypes" thing that is factually wrong, since there was no part of the expo claiming "you can choose your gender" back in 2015. Smells like dishonesty on your part tbh.
 

nikolino840

Member
So your OP that is timestamped "Today at 9:52 AM" (or whatever timezone you're in) is actually a copy-paste of a post you made 5 years ago ? Could have mentioned that... Also you might want to fix all the "gender stereotypes" thing that is factually wrong, since there was no part of the expo claiming "you can choose your gender" back in 2015. Smells like dishonesty on your part tbh.
Well no,i have copied-past an article on Google 😂
 

Naibel

Member
Yeah, I remember this expo (and the book that originated it, man that takes me back...), and right now, there's no such event at the Cite des Sciences. You can actually see the dates where it took place on one of the pictures. Why do you bring that up now, I really dunno...

Sex ED for kids is certainly a tricky subject, as we have to choose the right language and not being too graphic. Being factual and neutral is also very important in this day and age. Pushing any political agenda onto kids (on both sides, like saying "homosexuality is weird/wrong" or being full-on gender-relativistic), especially on such an important subject, should be forbidden.

The book handled that pretty well AFAIK. It was done in a very cutesy funny and factual way, and I remember it helped me understand puberty a lot more at a time when I haven't experienced it yet. I would've freaked out otherwise :messenger_grinning_squinting:
 

McCheese

Member
On the one hand, it's neat they are teaching kids not to fear their own bodies.

But on the other hand, I worry they are using these events as a means to spread their silly alphabet gender rubbish, which would likely just result in kids being even more confused by which of the 48 genders they fit into. Looking at the pictures it seems like it's just some basic heterosexual 'this goes in there' stuff, which is fine at their age.
 
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Katsura

Member
This is degeneracy and should be stopped at once. The people responsible should be fired on the spot and never be allowed to do any work involving children ever again
 
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