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Super Smash Bros. for 3DS and Wii U Thread 5: Yarning for Yoshi
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Sakurai, destroyer of dreams.
Baron von Loathsome
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Such a shame the comments are now closed.
EDIT: No wonder he is hurt, he posted a top 10 reasons for Waluigi 2 DAY AGO!
InvincibleAgent
Member
Wow. Rosalina is so much cooler than Waluigi. She's got a ship, magic twirly power, lumas, not to mention is an intergalactic badass. Waluigi is what, a relative of a jerk who dresses like some plumbers?
I think Waluigi would allow more experimentation overall, he would be fucking hilarious and I could imagine the hilarity with using him with my friends not even trying to win and just being goofy on stage. Rosalina feels a bit more like pandering. Not that I mind her either. She's a nice add as well.
I'm afraid of what Ridley meltdowns could be like. Sakurai pic of the day posts should be comment blocked. Actually a Smash miiverse was a bad idea in general.
I'm afraid of what Ridley meltdowns could be like. Sakurai pic of the day posts should be comment blocked. Actually a Smash miiverse was a bad idea in general.
MrSaturn99
Member
Baron von Loathsome
Member
And is humorously weird, but yeah, Rosalina is far from useless.
InvincibleAgent
Member
Pandering to who? Who was clamoring for her inclusion? She's the trademark new character of the Wii Mario games, and playable in 3D World. I think she's earned it.
The "we need more femaler characters"-ers heh heh. But its not that big of a deal. I like her, just would find Waluigi more interesting.
Well maybe if he wasn't such a lanky little weirdo... Put the pounds on 'em.
Red Arremer
Member
I actually thought Honey Queen was a really cool addition, because she was a heavy weight female character.
She definitely made more sense than fucking Metal Mario.
I didn't buy the game because of that
I understand there are people who like Waluigi, but how could anyone have honestly expected him to be playable in Smash Bros.? I just cant wrap my head around that level of delusion. I have some pretty out-there roster requests myself (like Plusle & Minun), but Im certainly not expecting those characters, and Im not going to throw a fit when theyre disconfirmed.
Waluigi returning as an Assist Trophy is truly the most obvious Smash Bros. confirmation to date. Its exactly what I expected to happen. Waluigi is a derivative character based on two other derivative characters (Wario and Luigi). Hes just completely uninspired. Hes existed for 14 years and still hasnt appeared in a mainline Mario game. And calling him the face of the Mario spinoffs is absolutely laughable theyre called Mario spinoffs for a reason.
Waluigi returning as an Assist Trophy is truly the most obvious Smash Bros. confirmation to date. Its exactly what I expected to happen. Waluigi is a derivative character based on two other derivative characters (Wario and Luigi). Hes just completely uninspired. Hes existed for 14 years and still hasnt appeared in a mainline Mario game. And calling him the face of the Mario spinoffs is absolutely laughable theyre called Mario spinoffs for a reason.
I take offense to that Mr. Sir.
Metal Mario was also in Mario Tennis 3DS. I hear the Japanese like him for some reason. I honestly forgot about him.
The only new characters from MK7 I want back in 8 are Shy guy, Lakitu and Wiggler.
Rosalina is the probably the weirdest choice of newcomers so far to me, even including Wii Fit Trainer. She's really minor, not all that interesting visually, doesn't have a huge presence in spin-offs (so far, at least)... I mean, she's my go-to character in Mario Kart, but she's a really weird choice as far as Smash Bros. goes. I would have chosen a lot of Mario characters before her - Toad, Bowser Jr., Paper Mario, Kamek, Dr. Mario again. Maybe even Waluigi.
Now that she's in, she's in, and I appreciate it as a sort of out there choice, and from a gameplay perspective obviously she's bringing a lot to the table, but I don't think she was the obvious choice at all.
Personally she's my least favorite newcomer so far, and by a wide margin. The other four are all up in the "awesome" category, but she's down in the "oh, okay" middle.
Now that she's in, she's in, and I appreciate it as a sort of out there choice, and from a gameplay perspective obviously she's bringing a lot to the table, but I don't think she was the obvious choice at all.
Personally she's my least favorite newcomer so far, and by a wide margin. The other four are all up in the "awesome" category, but she's down in the "oh, okay" middle.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
Villager is pretty much all I wanted anyway. I was having similar reactions to you Waluigi people now when he specifically called him out on the Brawl Dojo as not having moveset potential. Always reckoned that was a lack of creativity anyway...
Still, I'll lose my shit for Hades.
Still, I'll lose my shit for Hades.
I think there's a case to be made for SOME kind of Mario rep who encompasses the succesful party franchises such as Kart, Party, and the various sports games. Bringing together these ecclectic concepts like throwing dice, dashing around in a go kart, and chucking sports equipment would actually fit an oddball like Waluigi like a glove.
BUT, with the very likely addition of the Mii character, who also can draw from various party, racing, and sports games without looking out of place, there really isn't much Waluigi can bring to the table. He's definitely best utilized as an assist trophy.
Freezie KO
Banned
I think we need more trans characters, and we should protest Birdo's inevitable exclusion.
Couldnt the frying pan count for RPGs too?
I suppose, I guess I always saw it as a reference to her role in the modern version of Chef as that's the game I had as a kid.
So there we are, even the RPGs are covered. Places for Mario characters are now closed.
Troubled Bat
Member
Waluigi knows kickboxing.
Such a shame the comments are now closed.
EDIT: No wonder he is hurt, he posted a top 10 reasons for Waluigi 2 DAY AGO!
=|
I think there's only about five female characters and fifteen male characters at the moment. It's not really a big deal for me, but it would be cool if the roster was closer to 50% male/female. But outside of Palutena, Dixie, and Lucina I'm not really sure who else they can add. I'm not really knowledgeable on Nintendo characters. :x
InvincibleAgent
Member
It depends whether you want a throwback character or a new one. Rosalina is the biggest character in the last 3 Mario blockbusters that wasn't already in Smash. Makes perfect sense to me.
jackissocool
Member
This is really what it is. I figured he was about 50/50 and I'm not angry at his exclusion or anything, but the Mario Kart and sports and party games are a significant part of Nintendo's history and Waluigi has a unique and significant relationship to those games. I want Waluigi because he's so weird and because he would represent a very important and large section of Nintendo games. It's not the end if the world that he's not playable but it does kinda suck. At least he'll be in Project M now.
voltronbadA
Member
Alright, in an effort to end hostilities (at least temporarily) and arguments, how about a new topic?!
In honor (or in mourning) or Waluigi being announced as an assist trophy, let's talk AT's!
I'm sure Intelliheath has some lists (cuz he is like the King of lists I swear) of Brawl's AT's, so....
- who would you like to return as an AT (like nintendog, Starfy, and Waluigi)
- who would you like to be a new AT? (Maybe someone you'd like represented but their inclusion as a playable character is a long shot?)
- are there any other AT you would like to see or actually think have a chance at making the leap from AT to playable character (like my main man Little Mac!)
Maybe this can get the ball rolling for the rest of the day so we can remember we are all hyped for the same game and continue being friendly!
In honor (or in mourning) or Waluigi being announced as an assist trophy, let's talk AT's!
I'm sure Intelliheath has some lists (cuz he is like the King of lists I swear) of Brawl's AT's, so....
- who would you like to return as an AT (like nintendog, Starfy, and Waluigi)
- who would you like to be a new AT? (Maybe someone you'd like represented but their inclusion as a playable character is a long shot?)
- are there any other AT you would like to see or actually think have a chance at making the leap from AT to playable character (like my main man Little Mac!)
Maybe this can get the ball rolling for the rest of the day so we can remember we are all hyped for the same game and continue being friendly!
1. I want to see Resetti return, he's way more annoying than Nintendog but he's also hilarious.
2. Ouendan/Elite Beat Agents. Maybe they do a dance and while they're dancing you get a power increase.
3. SAKI. One of my most wanted. Isaac would be cool too.
EBA/Ouendan would be a nice assist. Though I don't really know what they'd do apart from cheer you on. Your attacks have double in strength for a brief period? Donno.
EDIT: ^ Great minds think a like.
EDIT2:
This is what I put for the prediction thread:
EDIT: ^ Great minds think a like.
EDIT2:
This is what I put for the prediction thread:
Though I was a bit tipsy at the time as you can tell by ideas like Liquid Snake there.
Was she though? She was huge in Galaxy, which is admittedly a really big game worthy of representing, but she's barely shown up as anything beyond an Easter Egg or special bonus since. In comparison, Bowser Jr. has been the second biggest antagonist in both Galaxies AND all of the New Super Mario Bros. games, and Toad (in various colors) has had three playable appearances, all of which were a lot more visible than any of Rosalina's cameos.
I think it's really a situation where Sakurai saw a character he wanted to work with and added her, even if she wasn't the most obvious or most demanded. It only seems obvious in hindsight.
DisconnectD
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(Original credit to Intelliheath, now DaBoss & of course Sakurai-san)
*REVISED FOR POST SMASH DIRECT* SM4SH mechanics changes and character buffs/nerfs thus far *annotated with pictures!*
«"Now consecutive standard attacks will always transition into a finishing move. This is Fox's finishing kick after his standard combo attack." » 26.Feb.2014
«"There are many changes being made to attack and defense options for grabbing edges. In this picture, Link is actually trumping Mario's grab. Some other changes include: -Air time and accumulated damage will determine your period of invincibility while hanging on an edge. -Grab controls will no longer be affected by whether you have above or below 100% damage." » 22.Jan.2014
"A red-black effect now appears when you're hit by a strong blow. It'll only appear when you have high damage, so when you see this you're in trouble--and you're probably about to get KO'd!" » 29.Nov.2013
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"The impact-launch effect has been powered up. The assigned color makes it clear which player will get points in the event of a KO." » 07.26.2013
A collection of character's Moveset changes & buffs/Nerfs
Bowser has some new Jabs for his Neutral A combo. » 04.08.2014
Bowser also has a new Back Aerial similar to his new Forward Smash in the form of a Drop kick that seems be very quick compared to his old one where he attacks with his shell. » 04.08.2014
Bowser's Down Aerial has also been tweaked to do a lot more knockback, last longer and fall faster; it also looks a lot like his current Down Special. *in Brawl it had pathetic knockback, not even KOing at 500%, so this is huge* » 04.08.2014
Bowser's Forward Aerial has been tweaked to have a much larger hitbox below him instead of attacking just in front of him. *His Up Special also received an animation change with him doing a hopping 360 now instead of a regular hop* » 04.08.2014
Bowser's 2nd jump has changed from spinning in his shell to a regular jump with more height. His Up Special seems to have increased vertical range, identical to that of his 2nd jump. » 04.08.2014
Bowser may have Super armor properties on his Shell, but take with a grain of salt. *Between DaBoss' gif and this POTD, the evidence is compelling.* » 04.08.2014
"Sonic, failure. » 11.27.2013
Charizard has a new Side or Up Special that's possibly Flareblitz, that seems like a horizontal, more fiery version of his Up Special. *perhaps it can be angled now like Diddy's Rocketbarrels?* » 04.08.2014
Charizard's Heatwave Forward Aerial has been changed to Slash, which has a lot more utility in the air. » 04.08.2014
ZSS' got a new Side Smash in the form of a stylistic, 2 part spinning back kick that hits during and after the extension of her leg. » 04.08.2014
ZSS' Up Special tether recovery has been replaced with a multi hit, jet heel assisted, flying kick that ends with a spinning kick at the apex. This move seems to have a lot of vertical recovery range. » 04.08.2014
Yoshi's headbutt Dash attack has been replaced with a spinning kick. » 04.08.2014
Yoshi has some animation changes on his Neutral A jab. » 04.08.2014
Yoshi's Down Aerial seems to have less frames (useless ones cut out) and the landing animations appear to do damage & horizontal knockback. » 04.08.2014
Yoshi's Back Aerial now consists of 3 tail swipes instead of 4 with the last hit having significantly more knockback and presumably more damage. » 04.08.2014
Captain Olimar's Neutral A headbutts have been replaced by jabs. » 04.08.2014
Sonic's Down Aerial now has a Meteor Smash effect when sweetpotted. » 04.08.2014
Pit's Side Smash has stayed relatively the same aside from the animations making it look more powerful, but with the 2nd part of the attack, it seems like he thrusts his sword further, implying a longer range for one of his former most reliable kill moves.
Pit's new Down B, the Guardian Orbiter's not only reflect projectiles, but on start up, give him Super Armor as seen below as Mario dash attacks him. *As a side note: we also see Diddy's Up Special used Horizontally for the first time!* » 04.08.2014
Pit's received some animation changes to his Strong Side attack, thrusting his blades out in a pincer like motion, which may give more range to the move. » 04.08.2014
Pit's Neutral A attack consists of 3 slash combination; a downward, horizontal, & upwards slash as the finisher & his strong Up Attack has been changed from a handstand kick to a backward somersaulting kick » 04.08.2014
Pit also has a new Aerial, (possibly Neutral or Forward) where he spins his blades sideways & in front of him in an arch across his body and it seems to have a lot of horizontal range. » 04.08.2014
Sheik's chain whip Side Special has been replaced with the burst grenade, which can be thrown a short distance in front of her and then (presumably) triggered by releasing the B button. Upon detonation, the explosion sucks opponents into the sweet spot of the attack. » 04.08.2014
Sheik's transformation Down Special has also been replaced with the Bouncing fish; a leaping somersault heel kick that causes her to bounce a great distance backwards upon impact with an opponent.
"Pikachu's Thunder now starts off with a thundercloud that deals a Meteor Smash! From left to right, you can see this combo starting with Pikachu throwing the opponent upward, Meteor Smashing with the lightning strike, and then directly attacking. Foes can dodge, of course, so the attack won't hit consistently, but when it does, it sure feels good!" » 04.03.2014
Diddy's Up Smash attack changed from a Slap & 2 kicks to a 2 hit cartwheel ending with a punch, with the punch having more range than the original kick, since Diddy's limbs are now more limber according to Sakurai » 04.08.2014
"Diddy's Peanut Popgun now deals a powerful attack when it explodes. It'll be difficult to hit your target, but when you succeed, the explosion will really blow your enemies away. Give it a shot when you break someone's shield." » 03.20.2014
"Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze is out now in Europe and North America! ...And to celebrate, Diddy Kong joins the battle!! We've increased Diddy Kong's flexibility this time. This picture shows how far his punches stretch during his strong side attack." » 02.21.2014
"The twin rocketbarrels are back, now with the ability to launch along more horizontal trajectories. They can also come off when opponents hit them mid-boost." » 02.24.2014
"Zelda's transformation Down Special has been replaced with the chargeable, offensive/defensive Phantom slash. (a living suit of armor called a phantom that Zelda possessed in The LOZ: Spirit Tracks) It charges in front of Zelda and delivers a an arching slash and also can be used to absorb projectiles but crumples upon impact. » 04.08.2014"
"Zelda's Din's Fire is now stronger in its core. The farther it's projected, the bigger and more powerful it will be, but you need to hit foes with the core if you want to make them fall." » 13.Mar.2014
"The heroic Aura Pokémon, Lucario, joins the battle!! We've increased the influence of Aura this time, so a damaged Lucario is truly a force to be reckoned with."
Lucario now presumably Mega evolves for his final smash. This is a transformation FS & gives him access to maximum Aura & most likely modifies all of his attacks, including Extremespeed as seen below: It now seems to cause damage at the end of the move. » 04.08.2014
"When Lucario shoots out Aura from its hands to fly with ExtremeSpeed, you can control its flight direction. If Lucario's Aura is fully charged, it can fly extremely far, so be careful not to accidentally launch out of the area." » 02.04.2014
"There weren't a lot of people who used the Shield Breaker to break people's shields, so we've now made it much more powerful. This pic is from immediately after a shield break." » 01.31.2014
Link now has his Jump slash from OOT-SS as his Dash attack and it looks like it covers a lot more distance than the former one. » 04.08.2014
"Link's downward strike was designed to change to a Meteor Smash when the tip of the sword is aligned just right at the start. However, it will be removed if it's deemed too powerful overall after some multiplayer play tests." » 12.10.2013
Samus has a new Spinning kick that replaces her previous "sex kick" Neutral Aerial. » 04.08.2014
"The speed and power of Samus's Charge Shot has been drastically improved. However, that could potentially put her in danger on occasion." » 11.06.2013
DK has finally been given his rolling move from DKC as his dash attack. » 04.08.2014
"Mario Bros., your days are numbered! Donkey Kong in the current build is super strong...but we'll be looking at the battle records when balancing out the characters, so nobody knows how he will turn out in the end." » 09.23.2013
"Luigi might be thinking, "Who would've thought I'd get to show off the Poltergust in Super Smash Bros.?!" Wondering if it's going to suck something in? Yeah, it probably will." » 03.31.2014
"Luigi's jump now has him paddling his legs. His vertical leap is undoubtedly high!" »09.25.2013
*REVISED FOR POST SMASH DIRECT* SM4SH mechanics changes and character buffs/nerfs thus far *annotated with pictures!*
«"Now consecutive standard attacks will always transition into a finishing move. This is Fox's finishing kick after his standard combo attack." » 26.Feb.2014
«"There are many changes being made to attack and defense options for grabbing edges. In this picture, Link is actually trumping Mario's grab. Some other changes include: -Air time and accumulated damage will determine your period of invincibility while hanging on an edge. -Grab controls will no longer be affected by whether you have above or below 100% damage." » 22.Jan.2014
"A red-black effect now appears when you're hit by a strong blow. It'll only appear when you have high damage, so when you see this you're in trouble--and you're probably about to get KO'd!" » 29.Nov.2013
"The impact-launch effect has been powered up. The assigned color makes it clear which player will get points in the event of a KO." » 07.26.2013
A collection of character's Moveset changes & buffs/Nerfs
Bowser has some new Jabs for his Neutral A combo. » 04.08.2014
Bowser also has a new Back Aerial similar to his new Forward Smash in the form of a Drop kick that seems be very quick compared to his old one where he attacks with his shell. » 04.08.2014
Bowser's Down Aerial has also been tweaked to do a lot more knockback, last longer and fall faster; it also looks a lot like his current Down Special. *in Brawl it had pathetic knockback, not even KOing at 500%, so this is huge* » 04.08.2014
Bowser's Forward Aerial has been tweaked to have a much larger hitbox below him instead of attacking just in front of him. *His Up Special also received an animation change with him doing a hopping 360 now instead of a regular hop* » 04.08.2014
Bowser's 2nd jump has changed from spinning in his shell to a regular jump with more height. His Up Special seems to have increased vertical range, identical to that of his 2nd jump. » 04.08.2014
Bowser may have Super armor properties on his Shell, but take with a grain of salt. *Between DaBoss' gif and this POTD, the evidence is compelling.* » 04.08.2014
"Sonic, failure. » 11.27.2013
Charizard has a new Side or Up Special that's possibly Flareblitz, that seems like a horizontal, more fiery version of his Up Special. *perhaps it can be angled now like Diddy's Rocketbarrels?* » 04.08.2014
Charizard's Heatwave Forward Aerial has been changed to Slash, which has a lot more utility in the air. » 04.08.2014
ZSS' got a new Side Smash in the form of a stylistic, 2 part spinning back kick that hits during and after the extension of her leg. » 04.08.2014
ZSS' Up Special tether recovery has been replaced with a multi hit, jet heel assisted, flying kick that ends with a spinning kick at the apex. This move seems to have a lot of vertical recovery range. » 04.08.2014
Yoshi's headbutt Dash attack has been replaced with a spinning kick. » 04.08.2014
Yoshi has some animation changes on his Neutral A jab. » 04.08.2014
Yoshi's Down Aerial seems to have less frames (useless ones cut out) and the landing animations appear to do damage & horizontal knockback. » 04.08.2014
Yoshi's Back Aerial now consists of 3 tail swipes instead of 4 with the last hit having significantly more knockback and presumably more damage. » 04.08.2014
Captain Olimar's Neutral A headbutts have been replaced by jabs. » 04.08.2014
Sonic's Down Aerial now has a Meteor Smash effect when sweetpotted. » 04.08.2014
Pit's Side Smash has stayed relatively the same aside from the animations making it look more powerful, but with the 2nd part of the attack, it seems like he thrusts his sword further, implying a longer range for one of his former most reliable kill moves.
Pit's new Down B, the Guardian Orbiter's not only reflect projectiles, but on start up, give him Super Armor as seen below as Mario dash attacks him. *As a side note: we also see Diddy's Up Special used Horizontally for the first time!* » 04.08.2014
Pit's received some animation changes to his Strong Side attack, thrusting his blades out in a pincer like motion, which may give more range to the move. » 04.08.2014
Pit's Neutral A attack consists of 3 slash combination; a downward, horizontal, & upwards slash as the finisher & his strong Up Attack has been changed from a handstand kick to a backward somersaulting kick » 04.08.2014
Pit also has a new Aerial, (possibly Neutral or Forward) where he spins his blades sideways & in front of him in an arch across his body and it seems to have a lot of horizontal range. » 04.08.2014
Sheik's chain whip Side Special has been replaced with the burst grenade, which can be thrown a short distance in front of her and then (presumably) triggered by releasing the B button. Upon detonation, the explosion sucks opponents into the sweet spot of the attack. » 04.08.2014
Sheik's transformation Down Special has also been replaced with the Bouncing fish; a leaping somersault heel kick that causes her to bounce a great distance backwards upon impact with an opponent.
"Pikachu's Thunder now starts off with a thundercloud that deals a Meteor Smash! From left to right, you can see this combo starting with Pikachu throwing the opponent upward, Meteor Smashing with the lightning strike, and then directly attacking. Foes can dodge, of course, so the attack won't hit consistently, but when it does, it sure feels good!" » 04.03.2014
Diddy's Up Smash attack changed from a Slap & 2 kicks to a 2 hit cartwheel ending with a punch, with the punch having more range than the original kick, since Diddy's limbs are now more limber according to Sakurai » 04.08.2014
"Diddy's Peanut Popgun now deals a powerful attack when it explodes. It'll be difficult to hit your target, but when you succeed, the explosion will really blow your enemies away. Give it a shot when you break someone's shield." » 03.20.2014
"Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze is out now in Europe and North America! ...And to celebrate, Diddy Kong joins the battle!! We've increased Diddy Kong's flexibility this time. This picture shows how far his punches stretch during his strong side attack." » 02.21.2014
"The twin rocketbarrels are back, now with the ability to launch along more horizontal trajectories. They can also come off when opponents hit them mid-boost." » 02.24.2014
"Zelda's transformation Down Special has been replaced with the chargeable, offensive/defensive Phantom slash. (a living suit of armor called a phantom that Zelda possessed in The LOZ: Spirit Tracks) It charges in front of Zelda and delivers a an arching slash and also can be used to absorb projectiles but crumples upon impact. » 04.08.2014"
"Zelda's Din's Fire is now stronger in its core. The farther it's projected, the bigger and more powerful it will be, but you need to hit foes with the core if you want to make them fall." » 13.Mar.2014
"The heroic Aura Pokémon, Lucario, joins the battle!! We've increased the influence of Aura this time, so a damaged Lucario is truly a force to be reckoned with."
Lucario now presumably Mega evolves for his final smash. This is a transformation FS & gives him access to maximum Aura & most likely modifies all of his attacks, including Extremespeed as seen below: It now seems to cause damage at the end of the move. » 04.08.2014
"When Lucario shoots out Aura from its hands to fly with ExtremeSpeed, you can control its flight direction. If Lucario's Aura is fully charged, it can fly extremely far, so be careful not to accidentally launch out of the area." » 02.04.2014
"There weren't a lot of people who used the Shield Breaker to break people's shields, so we've now made it much more powerful. This pic is from immediately after a shield break." » 01.31.2014
Link now has his Jump slash from OOT-SS as his Dash attack and it looks like it covers a lot more distance than the former one. » 04.08.2014
"Link's downward strike was designed to change to a Meteor Smash when the tip of the sword is aligned just right at the start. However, it will be removed if it's deemed too powerful overall after some multiplayer play tests." » 12.10.2013
Samus has a new Spinning kick that replaces her previous "sex kick" Neutral Aerial. » 04.08.2014
"The speed and power of Samus's Charge Shot has been drastically improved. However, that could potentially put her in danger on occasion." » 11.06.2013
DK has finally been given his rolling move from DKC as his dash attack. » 04.08.2014
"Mario Bros., your days are numbered! Donkey Kong in the current build is super strong...but we'll be looking at the battle records when balancing out the characters, so nobody knows how he will turn out in the end." » 09.23.2013
"Luigi might be thinking, "Who would've thought I'd get to show off the Poltergust in Super Smash Bros.?!" Wondering if it's going to suck something in? Yeah, it probably will." » 03.31.2014
"Luigi's jump now has him paddling his legs. His vertical leap is undoubtedly high!" »09.25.2013
Lord_Byron28
Member
I disagree Rosalina in 4 is about the equivalent to having included Yoshi in 64. Shes been around for about the same time as he was at that time and they both played important parts in 3 games. I think she made it in for some of the same reasons that Sheik made it in Melee. She was a fan favorite character in a pivotal game in the series.
Wrong, Yoshi introduced a big gameplay change in Super Mario World before going on to launch his own series with both Yoshi's Island and Yoshi's Story by the time 64 came out in addition to being a regular in spinoffs. The character grew in such popularity in such a short span of time that it was able to launch its own series and was treated as such in the Smash series.
Rosalina in comparison only ever played a significant role as the lead supporting character in Super Mario Galaxy. Galaxy 2 she held the honor of being the equivalent of Yoshi in Mario 64 as an end game cameo. She was also kept as an end game bonus in 3D World rather than being a big part of that game. (basically her situation was similar to Luigi's in prior 3D games) The reason Rosalina caught so many of us off guard with her reveal is because she never really had any sort of significant role after the first Galaxy game and she is nowhere near the "new Yoshi" for the series that some people like to parade around. My own ideas for why she got in is that she made her debut in the most influential and critically acclaimed Mario game of the past decade and her inclusion is in remembrance of that game rather than on her own merits so in that sense I agree with the Sheik comparison.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Disconnect;
Nice job with change list.
Confirmed New Assist Trophies
Skull Kid
Ashley
Mother Brain
Confirmed Veteran Assist Trophies
Nintendog
Stafy
Waluigi
Disconfirmed Assist Trophies
Little Mac (Became Playable Character)
Unconfirmed Assist Trophies
Andross
Barbara
Devil
Dr. Wright
Excitebikes
Gray Fox (Unlockable)
Hammer Bro
Helirin
Infantry & Tank (Unlockable)
Isaac (Unlockable)
Jeff
Jill
Kat & Ana
Knuckle Joe
Lakitu
Lyn
Metroid
MR. Resetti
Ray MK III (Unlockable)
Samurai Goroh
Saki
Shadow (Unlockable)
Tingle
Nice job with change list.
Confirmed New Assist Trophies
Skull Kid
Ashley
Mother Brain
Confirmed Veteran Assist Trophies
Nintendog
Stafy
Waluigi
Disconfirmed Assist Trophies
Little Mac (Became Playable Character)
Unconfirmed Assist Trophies
Andross
Barbara
Devil
Dr. Wright
Excitebikes
Gray Fox (Unlockable)
Hammer Bro
Helirin
Infantry & Tank (Unlockable)
Isaac (Unlockable)
Jeff
Jill
Kat & Ana
Knuckle Joe
Lakitu
Lyn
Metroid
MR. Resetti
Ray MK III (Unlockable)
Samurai Goroh
Saki
Shadow (Unlockable)
Tingle
While she hasn't been that popular, gameplay-wise, the girls in my family absolutely love her and fight to see who can use her in mario kart. She's popular among girls, and that's probably why she was included.
Regarding Rosalina, it's also important to remember that the character we're getting is called Rosalina and Luma. The Luma has a full move set of unique attacks all to itself. Lumas are a big part of the Galaxy series -- they're everywhere.
The Super Mario Galaxy series is certainly noteworthy enough to deserve a playable character (they're the most acclaimed games on the Wii), and Rosalina & Luma perfectly encapsulate everything about those games. They have the atmosphere/setting covered with their cosmic effects, and the Launch Star, Star Bits, and Gravitational Pull represent Galaxy's gameplay mechanics. Hell, Rosalina & Luma's general play style is representative of Galaxy 2's co-op mode.
The Super Mario Galaxy series is certainly noteworthy enough to deserve a playable character (they're the most acclaimed games on the Wii), and Rosalina & Luma perfectly encapsulate everything about those games. They have the atmosphere/setting covered with their cosmic effects, and the Launch Star, Star Bits, and Gravitational Pull represent Galaxy's gameplay mechanics. Hell, Rosalina & Luma's general play style is representative of Galaxy 2's co-op mode.
MannyToons
Member
It's barely any different than Green Mario before Luigi's Mansion.
Mario Bros.
Super Mario Bros.
Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels
Super Mario Bros. 2
Super Mario Bros. 3
Super Mario World
Green Mario was playable in an awful lot of mainline Mario games before his first Smash Bros. appearance. I'm still waiting on Waluigi.
MannyToons
Member
Not talking about the games they were in. I'm talking about the characters themselves. People like underdogs. It's as simple as that.
lol
....did they actualy said he would not be BOTH ? heheh