Quote Archivist: Jiggy37
Section of Posts: #47,501 to 50,000
Page 960 Everybody goes nuts over the update of Warios alternate costume.
Page 961 Then we realize that it says hes the only chracter who has one, and we all either fall into despair or start spinning why the text doesnt and cant mean what it says. D: These things can't be captured in quotes. Click over and watch as the tide had turned.
Page 962 Jiggy claims that the female Pokemon Trainer design is more recognizable than Wario. This does not end well.
Post 48107 Jiggys thoughts on the Justin Bailey outfit after Iam Canadian points something out.
Post 48173 People freak out over a picture posted by ant1532, assuming this means Smash has gone gold. It would later turn out that it was only some Engrish.
Post 48222 and Post 48228 As the whole thread looks forward to A Sakurai Christmas near the end of 2007, m00 decides that Jiggy is Pollyanna; Iam Canadian agrees.
Post 48272 and Post 48299 and Post 48333 KevinCow epitomizes a negative reaction to the Christmas update of Sonics final smash and Angel Island Zone music; Firestorm epitomizes a positive one. (There were many more reactions of each type.) Aras becomes a theoretical Crushed disciple and wonders where Simon Belmont is. But its not all unwavering joy or despair even ethelred shows up once and again to hear Sonic music.
Post 48480 Meloche is the first but certainly, inevitably not the last to make a particular trophy stand analogy.
Post 48532 and Post 48537 Iam Canadian and Dreavus sum up pre-play thoughts on Subspace Emissary.
Post 48607 KevinCow muses about whether hed want a rebalanced game if things werent worked out correctly. I dont know what eventual conclusion he came to, but I for one will say I would. Definitely.
Post 48680 Following the Coin Launcher update that had people clamoring that yet another genre was being represented in Smash, Danthrax underestimates the number of trophies and stickers!
Post 48692, Post 48699, and Post 48716 TreIII and Sciz decide Brawl could probably never be topped. KevinCow disagrees. Months later, we would find out that KCow was correct; Sakurai was asked in a post-release interview whether there was anything else hed wanted to put in but had no time for, and he replied that hed keep his other ideas a secret in case he came back for another game.
Post 48830 After Jiggy agrees with TreIII that there are enough Mario characters, but wouldnt mind Daisy, ShockingAlberto gives his own ShockingThoughts on her.
Post 48876, Post 48908, and Post 48923 The thoughts of Sharp, TreIII, and JKBii after we learn theres going to be a week without updates.
Post 48978 and Post 48979 zoku88 and Jiggy discuss whether GAF plays games. Shortly after, KevinCow successfully predicts his own ban.
Post 49078 With no updates to follow, Jiggy loses it and starts tracking how many screenshots each character has appeared in. (No need to quote directly since these things are fully updated several posts up from right here.) Everybody decides Jiggy needs a tag.
Post 49307 Jiggy further breaks down and starts tracking update types by day.
Post 49386 ShockingAlbertos response to Aras anime face spam.
Post 49396, Post 49398, Post 49410, Post 49414 TreIII, Man God, Jiggy, and TreIII again on the twisted logic of Nintendo, Pokemon, and Mother. I haven't put in direct quotes because I needed toconserve space protect the eyes of innocent quasi-humans ("children"), but these are great reads. If you dare look into the dark side of Nintendo, click the links.
Post 49421 A Link to the Snitchs fantastic idea of a turn-based strategy game using the trophies. (Well, he was thinking of characters, but I added trophies.) We know youre reading this, Nintendo. Get to it!
Post 49428, Post 49432, Post 49436, and Post 49445 A Link to the Snitch, vertopci, Jiggy, and Gunloc on Rick Wheeler as the new Captain Falcon.
Post 49453 Golden Darkness begins to create a grand archive of the first replies to each update. pulga and Firestorm decide hes not Jiggy, but I actually think this was a wonderful idea. Too bad it was never completed. Also too bad that it's much, much too long to be quoted here without getting way over the character limit, due to all the links.
Post 49551, Post 49555, Post 49577 Jiggy decides that Kirby wasnt playable at E For All because the hat update would have lost 65% of its charm; JonathanEx decides that this was a mathematical calculation; Jiggy scrambles to turn it into a mathematical calculation.
Post 49585 In the entire thread, this may be the only explanation of why there should be more female characters that doesnt translate to Smashsausagefestlol or need more eye candy ;_;. ShockingAlberto is at least right about that. D:
Post 49625 TreIII on the possibility that Smash could have gone down an alternate path where single-player was of primary importance initially. Jiggy isnt sure whether this interesting hypothetical would have been better or not as good. Tre and Jiggy further ponder it. As per usual, not quoting the whole exchange, just the first post.
Post 49701 Noteworthy only because I think this is the first time we hear of the nickname Cherry-don for Sakurai.
Post 49764 and Post 49768 Some Photoshops.
Post 49951 The prominent Zeed rings in Page 1000 on the forum default setting! :O
Post 50000 And flipping_heck rings in Post 50,000!
Section of Posts: #47,501 to 50,000
Page 960 Everybody goes nuts over the update of Warios alternate costume.
Page 961 Then we realize that it says hes the only chracter who has one, and we all either fall into despair or start spinning why the text doesnt and cant mean what it says. D: These things can't be captured in quotes. Click over and watch as the tide had turned.
Page 962 Jiggy claims that the female Pokemon Trainer design is more recognizable than Wario. This does not end well.
Post 48107 Jiggys thoughts on the Justin Bailey outfit after Iam Canadian points something out.
Jiggy37 said:*squints at a Justin Bailey Samus sprite* I'm not seeing what you're seeing, but if those boots have heels then I retract my stance entirely, partly because of the nonsensicality of it but mostly since high heels should of course be banned from existing--both in life and in video games--and also make up the main reason I almost never play as Peach or Zelda even though I like them both personality-wise. D: (Which is yet another reason I had wanted alternate outfits. I'd play as, say, Mario Hoops Peach.)Iam Canadian said:I don't know, I never really like Justin Bailey Zero Suit Samus. To me, the Zero Suit we see post ZM looks more logical; it actually looks like the kind of suit Samus would wear under her Power Suit (no inexplicable high-heeled boots here).
Post 48173 People freak out over a picture posted by ant1532, assuming this means Smash has gone gold. It would later turn out that it was only some Engrish.
ant1532 said:
Post 48222 and Post 48228 As the whole thread looks forward to A Sakurai Christmas near the end of 2007, m00 decides that Jiggy is Pollyanna; Iam Canadian agrees.
m00 said:I no longer have any doubts. Jiggy, you are Pollyanna.Jiggy37 said:I don't believe in the least that it'll happen. But two things:
1) I specialize in getting my hopes up when it comes to Wii content even when everything says I shouldn't! For example, today was a lame Christmas Eve Virtual Console Monday, so now I've simply moved into hyping myself up for an awesome New Year's Eve VC Monday even though I'm sure I'll be disappointed again. Edit: And then after the New Year's Eve VC Monday fails to deliver, I'll hype myself up for the first VC Monday of 2008!
Iam Canadian said:I think your astonishing devotion to and thoroughness with statistics have already made you legendary, at least to the regulars in this thread.Jiggy3 said:2) I enjoy predicting big because if I actually end up being right against all odds, I look more legendary. >_>
Going with the Pollyanna theme, Jiggy, you're as crazy as a loonbut that's why we believe in you.
In all seriousness, though, I'm not seriously expecting anything better than a stage and I have a sneaking suspicion we'll be getting a Final Smash.
Post 48272 and Post 48299 and Post 48333 KevinCow epitomizes a negative reaction to the Christmas update of Sonics final smash and Angel Island Zone music; Firestorm epitomizes a positive one. (There were many more reactions of each type.) Aras becomes a theoretical Crushed disciple and wonders where Simon Belmont is. But its not all unwavering joy or despair even ethelred shows up once and again to hear Sonic music.
KevinCow said:Sakurai? More like Scrooge-urai.
Firestorm said:I read Final Smash and my reaction was "wtf we got this already"
And then... music. OMG YES YES YES YES YES YES OHHHHHHHHHHH YESSS GOD YES YES YES
Aras said:-o- Sakurai hates us!!! he wants everyone to go to hell u________u
maybe he forgot to mention that Simon Belmont is going to be in smash cause Santa arrived at this home just the moment he was going to upload the screenshots of belmont T_T lol
Post 48480 Meloche is the first but certainly, inevitably not the last to make a particular trophy stand analogy.
Meloche said:So basically it's like catching Pokemon? Awesome.
Post 48532 and Post 48537 Iam Canadian and Dreavus sum up pre-play thoughts on Subspace Emissary.
Iam Canadian said:The Subspace Emissary looks to combine the best aspects of Kirby and Pokemon.
And that's awesome.
So far, December has redeemed Novembust at least two times over.
Dreavus said:So the SSE is kind of like a brand new Kirby side-scroller, except it's on the wii, and I can play several Nintendo characters, and it has Pokemon-esque monster capturing.
Friends, this alone is worth the purchase.
Please Sakurai, take my money! Take it!
Post 48607 KevinCow muses about whether hed want a rebalanced game if things werent worked out correctly. I dont know what eventual conclusion he came to, but I for one will say I would. Definitely.
KevinCow said:A slight tangent, but this makes me wonder how I'd feel if they did the typical fighting game route and released a rebalanced version of the game in a couple of years. Because on the one hand, I don't want to buy the game twice. But on the other hand, I don't want to wind up with a game that has a few stupidly overpowered characters like Marth, Sheik, Fox, and Falco in Melee.Holy Order Sol said:Should have been Super Smash Bros. Third Strike.
Well, hopefully they just get it right the first time.
Post 48680 Following the Coin Launcher update that had people clamoring that yet another genre was being represented in Smash, Danthrax underestimates the number of trophies and stickers!
Danthrax said:I'm calling it -- this game will have 500 trophies and 500 stickers. 1,000 little worthless things to collect, and each will be oh so satisfying. =PSciz said:Fighter, beat 'em up, and shmup? Any other genres I'm missing?
Sakurai, you spoil us.
I can't begin to imagine how many individual trophies and stickers this game is going to have. Go go gadget collectathon.in a good way
[edit] You forgot "platformer"
Post 48692, Post 48699, and Post 48716 TreIII and Sciz decide Brawl could probably never be topped. KevinCow disagrees. Months later, we would find out that KCow was correct; Sakurai was asked in a post-release interview whether there was anything else hed wanted to put in but had no time for, and he replied that hed keep his other ideas a secret in case he came back for another game.
TreIII said:RTS(or some kind of Strategy RPG) and Sim-Life/Dating mode. That's pretty much all this game needs in order to be able to cater to pretty much every fanbase that could exist.
Honestly though, with Sakurai pretty much throwing everything in here...I'm almost beginning to wonder...is he really just trying to make it so there really CAN'T be another Smash game after this? Because, the way things are now, I'd be hard-pressed to think how he, or any one else, for that matter, could hope to outdo this kind of package deal.
Sciz said:They can always add more of the same kinds of content, but I'll agree that it'll be nigh-impossible to outdo Brawl in the same fashion that Brawl is blowing away Melee. From a cost:content standpoint, every other game of the last several years is going to look overpriced by comparison, Orange Box included.
It's like Sakurai's own personal Final Smash.
KevinCow said:When Melee came out and it one-upped SSB64 in pretty much every conceivable way, I said, "Man, I don't think the next Smash could possibly outdo Melee in the way Melee outdid SSB64."
If Sakurai's involved, he'll find a way.
Post 48830 After Jiggy agrees with TreIII that there are enough Mario characters, but wouldnt mind Daisy, ShockingAlberto gives his own ShockingThoughts on her.
ShockingAlberto said:Daisy had quite the badonkadonk in Mario Strikers.
Post 48876, Post 48908, and Post 48923 The thoughts of Sharp, TreIII, and JKBii after we learn theres going to be a week without updates.
Sharp said:Uh-oh, Sakurai. Don't deny GAFers their fix. They can grow... desperate.
TreIII said:....*laughs maniacally*"All seven languages of Smash Bros. Dojo will take a year-end holiday break from posting following 28th December. We plan to resume posts on 7th January.
Have a happy new year!"
Sakurai, you magnificent, magnificent bastard! :lol
JKBii said:Only Sakurai would take a holiday break after the holidays.
Post 48978 and Post 48979 zoku88 and Jiggy discuss whether GAF plays games. Shortly after, KevinCow successfully predicts his own ban.
zoku88 said:Don't kid yourself, we don't actually play games
Jiggy37 said:Well, we do "play" games and we will "play" Brawl. It's just that, around here, games are a means to an end, where the end is us coming back to NeoGAF and launching into spirited debates about tiers, items, rule sets, tourney-legal stages, and stuff of all sorts that "should have" but didn't make it into the game. Keep your eye on the goal.
KevinCow said:I am almost certain my first ban will come from one of these arguments - er, "spirited debates."
Post 49078 With no updates to follow, Jiggy loses it and starts tracking how many screenshots each character has appeared in. (No need to quote directly since these things are fully updated several posts up from right here.) Everybody decides Jiggy needs a tag.
Post 49307 Jiggy further breaks down and starts tracking update types by day.
Post 49386 ShockingAlbertos response to Aras anime face spam.
[Jiggy note: I'm not sure if I like it because Aras is hilarious (in a good way, I like the guy) or because Alberto's picture is from Haruhi, which is of course fantastic and everybody should watch. Including the second season, whenever that shows up. And also buy the novels if they're ever officially translated.]ShockingAlberto said:Aras said:Aras said:u___uAras said:u__uAras said:u______uAras said:u____u
Post 49396, Post 49398, Post 49410, Post 49414 TreIII, Man God, Jiggy, and TreIII again on the twisted logic of Nintendo, Pokemon, and Mother. I haven't put in direct quotes because I needed to
Post 49421 A Link to the Snitchs fantastic idea of a turn-based strategy game using the trophies. (Well, he was thinking of characters, but I added trophies.) We know youre reading this, Nintendo. Get to it!
A Link to the Snitch said:I hope SSBB covers all genres.
Fighting - Buh
Platforming - SSE
Adventure - SSE
RPG - Add leveling up to SSE
Flight sim - Use the engine from the end credits in SSBM as an Star Fox SSE level
Strategy Mode - Move your pieces around (pieces being SSBB characters, attacking a character results in you going into a regular HP battle with them - enemies can be basic enemies like Goombas, Assist Trophies, Bosses, playable characters, etc.)
Pinball - Simple mini-game
etc.
Post 49428, Post 49432, Post 49436, and Post 49445 A Link to the Snitch, vertopci, Jiggy, and Gunloc on Rick Wheeler as the new Captain Falcon.
A Link to the Snitch said:So what if Rick Wheeler replaced Captain Falcon?
vertopci said:Who the hell is Rick Wheeler?
Gunloc said:This is the meaning of life condensed into one sentence.Jiggy37 said:For a second I felt like answering who Rick Wheeler was, but then I just closed the window--because, really, maybe if we ignore Wheeler long enough he'll simply stop existing, and that would be a win for everybody.
Post 49453 Golden Darkness begins to create a grand archive of the first replies to each update. pulga and Firestorm decide hes not Jiggy, but I actually think this was a wonderful idea. Too bad it was never completed. Also too bad that it's much, much too long to be quoted here without getting way over the character limit, due to all the links.
Post 49551, Post 49555, Post 49577 Jiggy decides that Kirby wasnt playable at E For All because the hat update would have lost 65% of its charm; JonathanEx decides that this was a mathematical calculation; Jiggy scrambles to turn it into a mathematical calculation.
Jiggy37 said:Because then the hat update would have lost 65% of its charm.Meloche said:I still sort of wonder why Kirby wasn't playable at E for All.
JonathanEx said:And for the doubters, Jiggy probably actually figured out the exact amount of charm lost mathematically.
Jiggy37 said:Well, see, 14 out of the 19 screenshots from that update would have been old news, which would have been 73.68% charm lost, but the two pictures with Zero Suit Samus and the one with Kirby eating Mario would still be decently cool in their own way, so if we assume that each of those would retain 55% of their quality then we'd be left with the equivalent of 6.65 good screenshots out of 19, leaving us with 35% of the charm retained and 65% lost.
I didn't do any of this until after you posted, and had to come up with a way to make the numbers match my made-up 65% figure.
Post 49585 In the entire thread, this may be the only explanation of why there should be more female characters that doesnt translate to Smashsausagefestlol or need more eye candy ;_;. ShockingAlberto is at least right about that. D:
ShockingAlberto said:See, this is logical. That's wanting a character in that happens to be female.Jiggy37 said:Re: females in Brawl, the number one reason I think they're requested so often is because most of the ones even remotely eligible are less generic than the males who are also eligible. Whether it's Midna, Dixie, Ashley, Micaiah, or even--yeah--a certain blue fox, they've got some potentially new and interesting mechanics in them. There's maybe one male magic user eligible for Brawl at best (Ganondorf), but three females right there. And no male staff users are floating around waiting to be put on the roster, and no males to whack stuff with an enormous ponytail. I think these are all more interesting to a lot of people than another sword fighter or hand-to-hand guy.
And it's not even true just for female characters, but sidekick characters in general, which is why people want to see the likes of Tingle throwing maps or whatever (for example), or even just less famous characters like Olimar with his Pikmin. It's also why a load of people love Mr. Game & Watch's wacky moveset and the idea of Pokemon Trainer's unique switching mechanic, but not--say--Donkey Kong, who's a really ordinary heavyweight who punches things hard like any other heavyweight in any other fighting game anywhere. Even Ganondorf's Melee moveset gets some hate in this thread, and it's not just because he's a clone but because they could have done something a lot more interesting than the punches and kicks that everybody else can do also.
I mean, we've had people in this very thread holding out for stuff like a playable Shyguy just because there's so much potential creativity there from Yoshi's Island alone. I was holding out for playable Jill until she was revealed as an assist trophy, because--well, she controls a robot with drills. There wouldn't be anything like it in Smash. And even now I'm hoping they do the Animal Crossing character (if there is one) justice instead of the usual hand-to-hand combat used for human fighters.
All that said, I think (hope) that by now everybody realizes the only criteria being used to determine who gets into Brawl are that the characters are either iconic or significant leads in a lesser-known series (Pit, for example). But the above is at least my rationale for wanting more females with no chance to get in and sidekicks who also have no chance to get in, and I'm pretty sure the same is true for a lot of others.
But most of what I see, and most of what goes on in this thread, is "I SURE HOPE THE NEXT CHARACTER ISN'T MALE, NO MATTER WHO IT IS." It's damn near embarrassing to read.
Post 49625 TreIII on the possibility that Smash could have gone down an alternate path where single-player was of primary importance initially. Jiggy isnt sure whether this interesting hypothetical would have been better or not as good. Tre and Jiggy further ponder it. As per usual, not quoting the whole exchange, just the first post.
TreIII said:All we CAN peace together, given the info we do possess, is that Sakurai definitely did have plans for the engine, and probably wanted to use it to craft a story.Jiggy37 said:Yep. Personally, I really just want to hear them admit it upfront some time. Just say "Yes, Smash Bros. came about because HAL's Kirby Super Star engine seemed viable for a fighting game" or whatever the truth is.
However, Miyamoto has been recently quoted that he "wanted Sakurai to focus on the MP aspects" of the game, which is why we probably why we've gotten Smash as we know it today, instead of something like the "Subspace Emissary" from the jump.
It would have been interesting if circumstances were otherwise. Maybe Smash Bros. would have been more like Guardian Heroes, in a way, where the story mode was the real meat and potatoes, and the multiplayer would have evolved into something serious down the road...
Post 49701 Noteworthy only because I think this is the first time we hear of the nickname Cherry-don for Sakurai.
sp0rsk said:
Post 49764 and Post 49768 Some Photoshops.
CreatureX3 said:Yep, there are so many great photoshops in this thread!
:lol
[Jiggy note: that first picture was Snake holding a Wario head and delivering the Yorick line from Shakespeare.]Jiggy37 said:As fantastic as Jigglypuff is, I still have to give credit where it's due.
Sidenote: It feels really bizarre that 700 pages ago it was only August 24th.
Post 49951 The prominent Zeed rings in Page 1000 on the forum default setting! :O
Zeed said:
HEY VEGETA, WHAT'S THE SCOUTER SAY ABOUT THE PAGE LEVEL?
WHAT 1000?
Cheers guys, this post marks the first time in GAF history that page numbers have hit FOUR DIGITS!!!
I just realized that Page 1000 isn't quite the same thing as Post #50,000.
I'll leave that honor to someone else!
Post 50000 And flipping_heck rings in Post 50,000!
flipping_heck said:Glad to be part of this moment! 1000th page ftmfw!!