Nope, he's suppose to be lovable teenager with a smart mouth.
An annoying prick would be Deadpool. Mind you I love Deadpool.
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Spider-Man 2 is still one of the best super hero movies
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Nope, he's suppose to be lovable teenager with a smart mouth.
An annoying prick would be Deadpool. Mind you I love Deadpool.
FullMetalx117
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Definitely top 3 for me. Might actually be number 1
deadpool is annnoying. damn annoying, but he isnt a prick. not written by way anyway
"Annoying prick" sounds like something Wolverine would use to describe Deadpool.
annoying prick is how wolverine would describe most people
AllIsOneIsNone
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I didn't like it very much. It was entertaining, but I thought the casting was very meh. Toby McGuire and Kirsten Dunst have 0 chemistry, both of them were bad for their parts in my opinion. The writing is also really hokey to me, like the scene where spidey gets unmasked on the subway and the little kid is like "we no tell nobody!" "If you gonna get through him you gotta get through me! and me! and me!"
It was fun, but overrated.
It was fun, but overrated.
Nerdkiller
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Watched it again just now an it's still magnificent. A movie worthy as my #1 personal best superhero flick (sorry Avengers fans, but that movie was so average and by the numbers, especially in comparison to Spidey 2).
Alson does anyone have a picture of Ditkovitch pulling that face when he says he has ears like a rodent?
Alson does anyone have a picture of Ditkovitch pulling that face when he says he has ears like a rodent?
Can Crusher
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I am reading? How about none? I read them when I was a kid. Peter Parker was never the cool guy. If you are comparing origins stories in these movies to whatever the fuck Peter Parker is in the comics of today after decades of fighting villains, who gives a shit?
And Tobey's Parker did evolve. It's as if you didn't watch the movies. Obviously he's not supposed to become Tony Stark.
PhantomZone
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The only time i believed Tobey was Spider-man was when he saved MJ from being mugged at night time (sans mask) in the first movie. That was awesome.
Wait, I've been reading a thread from last year?! Fuck...
Charles Foster Kane
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lol.
If it's any consolation, the last 4 pages are from this year, and the topic is still relevant!
he grows out of his dork phase pretty quickly. noone says he'll be a lothario, but but hes quite a social butterfly, with quite a few women after both his super hero and civilian identities
rather than decades of comics try like the first fifty issues.
Tobey evolved? by crying like a bitch in the 3rd movie. Peter is not Stark but he isn't doofus either.
and the reading none part was clear enough with your stupid assertions of what Parker is like.
if reading comics is too much of an ask for most people and they are simply not interested fine.
Just youtube clips of the Spectacular Spiderman cartoon ( or better yet watch the entire series)
you will get an idea of what Peter is like
Soodanim
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I could read this thread all day and still not truly understand why people think SM2 is the GOAT. Maybe it's because I basically don't have emotion when it comes to movies, so none of the emotional crap means anything to me. I definitely don't like Tobey's acting. Or Dunst's.
Sorry guys, Avengers tops this. But Earth's Mightiest Heroes tops that, because live action isn't ever going to beat animation. That may seem off topic, but it gives some insight into what I want from Marvel/DC stuff.
Sorry guys, Avengers tops this. But Earth's Mightiest Heroes tops that, because live action isn't ever going to beat animation. That may seem off topic, but it gives some insight into what I want from Marvel/DC stuff.
I want an animated Spider-Man film. It would obviously be straight to video, but that didn't stop some of the DC ones from being brilliant.
thats one thing i definetely want. marvel to step up its animation department. dc has set one hell of a precedent on that front. if they could somehow oust loeb, they could do great things
I just saw Captain America tonight and couldn't help but think on the way out how Spider-Man 2 will never be topped. Cap 2 has good fight scenes but they get sort of nauseating after a while. You can only watch so many bone-crushing haymakers, fake looking explosions, and enemy henchmen unloading hundreds of bullets at our heroes without hitting jack shit before your eyes start to glaze over. Cap 2 just feels so grim and lifeless whereas you can tell Spidey 2 was made by people who actually have empathy for their fellow human beings. The Raindrops montage pretty much perfectly encapsulates what makes Spider-Man 2 so goddamn good. You never see Steve Rogers, Bruce Wayne, or Clark Kent as completely vulnerable and totally human as Peter appears in the montage. The only other director who rivals Raimi in terms of portraying superheroes as people with actual emotions is Singer with X2.
Nerdkiller
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Marion Cobretti
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Just saw this for the first time because of this thread.
I definitely think it holds up pretty well. I don't quite like the direction they went in, but I think they pulled off what they were going for. It's well made and a solid movie over all.
While I'm not opposed to Sony making these movies, I sure would love to see Marvel get Spidey back.
I definitely think it holds up pretty well. I don't quite like the direction they went in, but I think they pulled off what they were going for. It's well made and a solid movie over all.
While I'm not opposed to Sony making these movies, I sure would love to see Marvel get Spidey back.
Competition is probably better for the quality of the movies. Even if it means no Spider Man or Wolverine in the the Avengers.
Vampirolol
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It's THE best. The train scene is also my favourite!
WadiumArcadium
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It's now my second favourite Spidey behind ASM2. Still a great film.
NinjaBoiX
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The editing in this scene is a joke. The fight just warps from one side of the carriage to the other depending on what will look most dramatic. They're fighting on the platform side, so they can fly past a load of scared commuters, then instantly they're on the other side with a train coming the other way. Lame.
The end of the scene is pretty good, but the fight is a mess.
Charles Foster Kane
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No one is saying the editing is perfect. In fact, these movies are filled with little editing mistakes. Doesn't ruin them though.
Oveja Negra
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Yes, Spider-Man 2 was the last super hero movie that I really loved (even considering its flaws).
Don't get me wrong, it's not like after that, all the others super hero movies sucked -except for Captain America that was really a piece of shit-, but none of them were nearly as great.
The fight on the subway is one of the most epic battle ever. The first time I watched that part I was the whole time with my fists ready to punch someone
Don't get me wrong, it's not like after that, all the others super hero movies sucked -except for Captain America that was really a piece of shit-, but none of them were nearly as great.
The fight on the subway is one of the most epic battle ever. The first time I watched that part I was the whole time with my fists ready to punch someone
Random_Guy
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I love the train fight sequence, but one thing always annoyed me. Doc Ock doesn't have any powers apart from the mechanical arms, right? How does he take all those spiderman punches to the face like its nothing?
Spider-Man is a pretty nice guy, he always holds back.
If he didn't, he'd probably punch out some dude's jaw. Like the Scorpion's.
NaDannMaGoGo
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Just gave Spider-Man 2 another watch and yeh, it's still fricking amazing. Funnily enough, one thing that I noticed once more is just how god damn good Tobey's screams / screaming faces are. Whether you like him or not, damn if he can't put on some fantastic facial expressions.
SM1/2 are the perfect cheesy superhero movie for me. I'm not even a fan of cheesy usually but the execution with these two was just so darn well. Something that matters a lot is the audience's ability to empathize with the characters and boy do they do a good job in SM2 in particular. Even though the movie may be very cheesy overall, the problems of Peter and the pressing issues feel real. When Peter tells aunt May what he did on the night of uncle Ben's death it really does feel like he's darn sorry for not being able to tell that earlier and ashamed for the entire affair in the first place.
I'm tired and need to get some sleep so I won't keep raving on just now but damn, the movie is really good. The practical effect usage for Doc. Oct really payed off by the way. Over the years it has become so easy for me to spot (and get annoyed by) out of place looking CGI and it's a shame when e.g. that Fusion core looks like a blurry mess in the 1080p version. So I'm glad they decided to do a lot with practical effects. And I'm actually completely for CGI in theory. But it needs to be really, really high quality which is expensive, time consuming and just not s.th you're going to get a lot of if you require many scenes using it.
I'm gonna write a bit more tomorrow.
SM1/2 are the perfect cheesy superhero movie for me. I'm not even a fan of cheesy usually but the execution with these two was just so darn well. Something that matters a lot is the audience's ability to empathize with the characters and boy do they do a good job in SM2 in particular. Even though the movie may be very cheesy overall, the problems of Peter and the pressing issues feel real. When Peter tells aunt May what he did on the night of uncle Ben's death it really does feel like he's darn sorry for not being able to tell that earlier and ashamed for the entire affair in the first place.
I'm tired and need to get some sleep so I won't keep raving on just now but damn, the movie is really good. The practical effect usage for Doc. Oct really payed off by the way. Over the years it has become so easy for me to spot (and get annoyed by) out of place looking CGI and it's a shame when e.g. that Fusion core looks like a blurry mess in the 1080p version. So I'm glad they decided to do a lot with practical effects. And I'm actually completely for CGI in theory. But it needs to be really, really high quality which is expensive, time consuming and just not s.th you're going to get a lot of if you require many scenes using it.
I'm gonna write a bit more tomorrow.
ViewtifulJC
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I feel since 2008 TDK has stolen some of Spidey 2 shine in these "best comic book movies" talks, but I still feel the first two films(and the Avengers, I suppose for a recent example) were the most effective comic book films to capture that joyful high-energy, pulpy effervescence of Stan Lee's superhero comics. All bright pop colors and playfully obnoxious attitude and simple situations laden with the sorts of emotional trials a 12-year-old could easily grasp. So fun to watch that whatever flaws or imperfections the first two films pick up along the way, you kinda handwave it away, "oh, it doesn't matter!"
brandonh83
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Well, they're two very different movies, as they should be. I personally prefer Spider-man 2 because I cared about the characters way more. What happens with Rachel did nothing for me, and it probably should have. I couldn't sympathize along with Bruce and that was a huge problem. Spider-man 2, despite not having any notable deaths, still packs a far more emotional and satisfying punch to me with scenes such as Peter informing May of what happened surrounding Ben's death, and how Peter fights tooth and claw to stop that train.
The Dark Knight doesn't really have anything like that for me. It's a fantastic movie that I feel falls apart in its last 20 minutes or so, but mostly everything before that was just fucking ace. However, I just saw it as a relatively emotionless film saved by its performances, mood, and direction. The big chase sequence in the middle of the film was fun, but I felt no tension or emotional stakes at play. It was a nice, exciting action scene but it didn't really excel beyond that. That's okay, it's just why I prefer stuff like the train sequence in Spider-man 2.
While the style is considerably different and more light-hearted, it is completely obsessed with making it an actual element of Peter's character arc, so in addition to the thrilling action it climaxed with the notion that Peter made the right decision to keep being Spider-man as it would have resulted in a lot of casualties otherwise. And almost the damn near entirety of Spider-man 2 is made up of scenes that contribute something to the story and character development. The screenplay is meticulously calculated.
ViewtifulJC
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I also love that its clearly Sam Raimi movies. Everybody mentions that great operation scene, but he's got a lot of his trademark horror/ b-movie imagery on display. Ock's wife reflected in the shard of glass that's about to kill her; or the low tracking shots and quick, jerking camera movements, the steel cage match with Bruce Campbell as the announcer, everything about Dafoe's performance that switches between smart businessman and emotionally absent father, the terrified paranoid you feel a bit sorry for, and the big bad monster who plays everything to the rafters. Like, he's got that big dumb plastica shell mask, so Dafoe has to do eeeeverything with his eyes and his teeth("But now that you've really PISSED ME OFF, I'm gonna finish her nice...and...slow."), and its such a perfect fit for the poppy comic book fun the movie is.
thefatness16
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Decided to check if this thread was on the first page, since Spidey 1 is on right now. I really did enjoy the first 2 a lot.
Razgriz-Specter
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Mentioned this in the ASM2 thread
Anyone see the behind the scenes of the suit design?
Holy shit does it seem more tedious than you would ever expect, especially for a sequel suit not that much different from the first.
Anyone see the behind the scenes of the suit design?
Holy shit does it seem more tedious than you would ever expect, especially for a sequel suit not that much different from the first.
Charles Foster Kane
Rosebud
Cinemasins sucks though.
I don't know if Raimi's Spider-Man films are really THAT playful and poppy. They're more colorful or whatever than Nolan's Batman, but they have more than their fair share of mopey characters and depressive moments.
The Marvel Studios movies, both the good and bad ones, are easily the most comic book-y of these films, for better or worse.
honest trailers sucks too.
Now you've done it.
are they supposed to be funny? Cause I'm not getting that
least the sins videos point out stuff...sometimes.
are they supposed to be funny? Cause I'm not getting that
least the sins videos point out stuff...sometimes.
Huge emphasis on that.
tryagainlater
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Anything with Bruce Campbell in it is the best of anything. I think Spidey 2 might have his best iteration of the trilogy.
PhoncipleBone
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As Bruce always likes pointing out, he is the only person to defeat Spidey in all the films. Peter never made it into the theater that night, so Bruce won.
Hey they do point out some really stupid shit when it comes to the bad movies.
The Lamonster
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I disagree with the OP. I prefer Watchmen and Avengers. Both ends of the spectrum.
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