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(Sales Age) Earnings time again (Nintendo, Microsoft, Sony, UBI)

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_Alkaline_

Member
My guesses for the 26 million sellers on Wii:

First Party
Wii Sports
Wii Play
Zelda: Twilight Princess
WarioWare: Smooth Moves
Super Smash Bros. Brawl
Metroid Prime 3
Mario Strikers Charged
Big Brain Academy
Super Paper Mario
Wii Fit
Mario Party 8
Super Mario Galaxy

Third Party
Dragon Ball Z
High School Musical
Mario and Sonic
Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition
Rayman Raving Rabbids
Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz
Red Steel
Carnival Games
Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles
Sonic and the Secret Rings
LEGO Star Wars
MySims
Tiger Woods
Guitar Hero III
 
W

Westonian

Member
legend166 said:
So 2.5 billion USD profit for the year?
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That is simply insane! And look, my Nintendo stock bounced on the news, and WiiFit hasn't even been released in the US yet. My sell order is currently at $80 a share, but I think I should revise that to $90.
 
T

Throwaway123456789

Member
Code: 
FY*       Sony**        Nintendo        Microsoft
1998    974,000,000    629,000,000
1999   1,130,000,000   645,000,000
2000    730,000,000    421,000,000
2001    -409,000,000   726,000,000
2002    623,000,000    800,000,000     -750,000,000
2003    939,000,000    560,000,000     -1,191,000,000
2004    650,000,000    316,000,000     -1,215,000,000
2005    404,000,000    777,000,000     -485,000,000
2006    75,000,00      894,000,000     -1,262,000,000
2007   -1,969,000,000  1,489,000,000   -1,892,000,000
2008   -965,000,000    2,480,000,000   532,000,000      
                  
Totals  2,182,000,000  9,737,000,000   -6,263,000,000

I borrowed these numbers from Bycha and added in the new numbers for Nintendo.

* -- it's fiscal year for both Microsoft and Nintendo
** -- it's FY+1 for Sony for comparison reasons

Nintendo's numbers are full year, MS and Sony are up to Q3.
 
S

Sharp

Member
PistolGrip said:
70 + 28 is still below 100 :p
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Nintendo tends to underestimate its shipments, though in this case I'm not sure how they possibly could be. Either way, this data ends March 31st--by now it could well have sold somewhere near enough the extra two million that it will have sold 100 million by this time next year.
 
A

andthebeatgoeson

Junior Member
Sharp said:
Nintendo tends to underestimate its shipments, though in this case I'm not sure how they possibly could be. Either way, this data ends March 31st--by now it could well have sold somewhere near enough the extra two million that it will have sold 100 million by this time next year.
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I hear you but after 3/31, Nintendo is forcasting that in the 28 million. I can't really fathom 30 million in a year. That's the best any videogame system has ever done. Where's the ceiling on DS, in terms of yearly output/sales? It's in it's 4th year and this is when it should peak. If Nintendo is estimating lower sales, than maybe it'll be a slow decline. I guess JPNs interest is declining. But have we seen the tip of the iceberg in NA? Hell no, if 700K is anything to go by. Hell, NA could prop up sales on it's own.

I would bet on 30 million also.
 
S

sonycowboy

Member
FoxHimself said:
Code: 
FY*       Sony**        Nintendo        Microsoft
1998    974,000,000    629,000,000
1999   1,130,000,000   645,000,000
2000    730,000,000    421,000,000
2001    -409,000,000   726,000,000
2002    623,000,000    800,000,000     -750,000,000
2003    939,000,000    560,000,000     -1,191,000,000
2004    650,000,000    316,000,000     -1,215,000,000
2005    404,000,000    777,000,000     -485,000,000
2006    75,000,00      894,000,000     -1,262,000,000
2007   -1,969,000,000  1,489,000,000   -1,892,000,000
2008   -965,000,000    2,480,000,000   532,000,000      
                  
Totals  2,182,000,000  9,737,000,000   -6,263,000,000

I borrowed these numbers from Bycha and added in the new numbers for Nintendo.

* -- it's fiscal year for both Microsoft and Nintendo
** -- it's FY+1 for Sony for comparison reasons

Nintendo's numbers are full year, MS and Sony are up to Q3.
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First, bycha borrowed them from me ;) and Microsoft's numbers are only up to Q2 (their fiscal year starts in July vs April for Sony and Nintendo)
 
J

JoshuaJSlone

Member
AniHawk said:
On the topic of software sales:

GBA: 376.66m (4.644 tie ratio)
NDS: 369.61m (5.235 tie ratio)

GC: 208.47m (9.589 tie ratio)
Wii: 148.44m (6.071 tie ratio)

Essentially there are more people buying games for the DS than there were on the GBA, but there are less people buying games for their Wii.
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I'm thinking comparing end-of-life ratios to early- or mid-life ratios will lead to some iffy comparisons. Let me take a look at the older systems through approximately the timespan of the newer systems.

GCN through March 2003
Hardware: 9.55m
Software: 60.51m
For a ratio of 6.34.

GBA through September 2004
Hardware: 58.13m
Software: 221.69m
For a ratio of 3.81.

Of course there's also the matter that while all shipped hardware will eventually end up sold, we can't be sure of the same for software.
 
T

tanod

when is my burrito
FoxHimself said:
* -- it's fiscal year for both Microsoft and Nintendo
** -- it's FY+1 for Sony for comparison reasons
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Why does Bycha do this?

Sony and Nintendo's fiscal year have always ended on March 31st. MS's is June 30th. I don't see why the adjustment is necessary.
 
S

sonycowboy

Member
tanod said:
Why does Bycha do this?

Sony and Nintendo's fiscal year have always ended on March 31st. MS's is June 30th. I don't see why the adjustment is necessary.
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It's simply how they name their fiscal years. Other than the shift of 3 months for Microsoft vs Sony & Nintendo, they cover the exact same time periods, so they are appropriately listed in the columnar format.

The big issue to recognize is that:
a) Nintendo's number is for the full fiscal year/ 4 quarters (April 2007 - March 2008)
b) Sony's is for 3 quarters with the 4th to be announced May 16th. (April 2007 - Dec 2007)
c) Microsoft's numbers currently only include 2 quarters, the 3rd to be announced at 4pm EST today. (July 2007 - Dec 2007)
 
T

tanod

when is my burrito
Xisiqomelir said:
Aren't you an accountant?
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Not for Sony, I'm not.

As far as I knew, every corporation used the year that their fiscal year ends in as their designation.
 
S

sonycowboy

Member
tanod said:
So Sony calls the fiscal year ending on March 31st, 2008: FY2007?

o_O
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9 out of the 12 months are in 2007, only 3 are in 2008. When you think about, Nintendo's is the one that least matches the calendar year it falls in. Microsoft could go either way, with six months in each.

~Most companies would tend to put the most reflective calendar year in their fiscal year naming, and if it's even use the later year.
 
V

Valtor

Banned
21 millions sellers from Wikipedia :

* Wii Sports (19.82 million approximately: 10.61 million in NA, 7.94 million in PAL regions, 1.27 million in Japan)
* Wii Play (9.23 million)
* Super Mario Galaxy (5.19 million)
* Super Smash Bros. Brawl (5.05 million approximately: 3.24 million in US, 1.61 million in Japan, 200k in Canada)
* Mario Party 8 (4.35 million)
* The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (4.3 million)
* Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games (3.4 million)
* Super Paper Mario (2.16 million)
* Big Brain Academy: Wii Degree (2 million)
* Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock (2 million)
* Wii Fit (1.865 million in Japan)
* WarioWare: Smooth Moves (1.82 million)
* Mario Strikers Charged (1.65 million)
* Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition (1.6 million)
* Carnival Games (1.2 million)
* Rayman Raving Rabbids (1.2 million)
* Sonic and the Secret Rings (1.2 million)
* Metroid Prime 3: Corruption (1.14 million)
* Link's Crossbow Training (1.07 million)
* Red Steel (1 million)
* Resident Evil: The Umbrella Chronicles (1 million shipped)

In this list, there are 8 million sellers from third party and 13 from first party.

For NDS, Wikipedia says 34 million sellers, 7 third party and 27 Nintendo.

* Nintendogs (17.79 million)
* Pokémon Diamond and Pearl (14.77 million)
* New Super Mario Bros. (13.14 million)
* Brain Age: Train Your Brain in Minutes a Day! (11.71 million)
* Brain Age 2: More Training in Minutes a Day! (9.84 million)
* Mario Kart DS (9.67 million)
* Animal Crossing: Wild World (9.2 million)
* Super Mario 64 DS (5.78 million)
* Big Brain Academy (4.61 million)
* The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass (3.82 million)
* Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Blue Rescue Team (3.08 million)
* English Training: Have Fun Improving Your Skills! (2.86 million)
* Mario Party DS (2.67 million)
* Pokémon Ranger (2.61 million)
* Yoshi's Island DS (2.47 million)
* WarioWare: Touched! (2.15 million)
* Flash Focus: Vision Training in Minutes a Day (2.11 million)
* Cooking Mama (2.06 million approximately, 1 million in US, 1 million in Europe, 62,000 in Japan)
* Tetris DS (2.05 million)
* Common Sense Training (1.61 million in Japan)
* Kirby: Squeak Squad (1.6 million)
* Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness (1.54 million in Japan)
* Final Fantasy III (1.52 million approximately, 1.06 million in Japan, 460,000 in North America)
* Mario Hoops 3-on-3 (1.5 million)
* Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker (1.47 million in Japan)
* Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time (1.39 million)
* Mario vs. Donkey Kong 2: March of the Minis (1.24 million)
* High School Musical: Makin' the Cut! (1.2 million in North America and Western Europe)
* Dragon Quest IV (1.161 million in Japan)
* Super Princess Peach (1.15 million)
* Love and Berry DS Collection (1.12 million in Japan)
* Tamagotchi Connection: Corner Shop (1.12 million in Japan)
* Diddy Kong Racing DS (1.04 million)
* Spectrobes (1 million shipped)

Anyone want to guess which are the 5 missing from Wii and ~20 missing from DS?
 
T

tanod

when is my burrito
sonycowboy said:
9 out of the 12 months are in 2007, only 3 are in 2008. When you think about, Nintendo's is the one that least matches the calendar year it falls in. Microsoft could go either way, with six months in each.

~Most companies would tend to put the most reflective calendar year in their fiscal year naming, and if it's even use the later year.
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Am I right when I say that Sony didn't have an individually reporting games division in 1994/1995 when the PS1 launched? I've looked for data and haven't had much luck.
 
S

sonycowboy

Member
tanod said:
Am I right when I say that Sony didn't have an individually reporting games division in 1994/1995 when the PS1 launched? I've looked for data and haven't had much luck.
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SCEI wasn't formed until November 1993 and launched the PSOne Dec 3, 1994. Financial reporting wasn't available until 1995.
 
C

C4Lukins

Junior Member
Early news looks good for MS.

"Entertainment and Devices revenue for the quarter grew 68% over the comparable period last year driven by robust demand for Xbox 360 consoles. Cumulative console sales surpassed 19 million during the quarter, up 74% from a year ago. Server and Tools revenue growth of 18% added to its string of consecutive double-digit revenue growth quarters, which now stands at 23."

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/080424/aqth527.html?.v=5
 
S

Stumpokapow

listen to the mad man
C4Lukins said:
Cumulative console sales surpassed 19 million during the quarter, up 74% from a year ago.
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That's a pretty damn dismal number. Only 1.3 million worldwide in a quarter? OUCH! Also the YOY comparison here doesn't make any sense, since it's a cumulative number.
 
M

mr_bishiuk

Banned
Entertainment and Devices

3rd Quarter sales 2008 $1,576m 2007 $936m YTD 2008 $6,565m 2007 4,916m

3rd Quarter profit/(loss) 2008 $89m 2007 $(324)m YTD 2008 614m 2007 (746m)
 
M

MiamiWesker

Member
Stumpokapow said:
That's a pretty damn dismal number. Only 1.3 million worldwide in a quarter? OUCH! Also the YOY comparison here doesn't make any sense, since it's a cumulative number.
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Yeah i dont get that statement, it makes no sense really.
 
L

legend166

Member
It's a good turn around for Microsoft from last year. Although I think they're sacrificing quite a lot of market share for the profit. But hey, that's what we were talking about in Pachter thread.

It just makes me sad because they're not going to drop the price.
 
A

AniHawk

Member
Code: 
FY*       Sony**        Nintendo        Microsoft
1998    1,253,000,000  809,000,000
1999    1,431,000,000  817,000,000
2000    900,000,000    519,000,000
2001    -488,000,000   866,000,000
2002    731,000,000    939,000,000     -880,000,000
2003    1,076,000,000  642,000,000     -1,365,000,000
2004    731,000,000    355,000,000     -1,367,000,000
2005    440,000,000    846,000,000     -528,000,000
2006    79,000,000     942,000,000     -1,329,000,000
2007   -1,969,000,000  1,489,000,000   -1,892,000,000
2008   -1,254,000,000  2,480,000,000   532,000,000      
                  
Totals  2,930,000,000  10,704,000,000  -6,829,000,000


Adjusted for inflation using the internets's inflation calculator. All years 1998-2007 calculated in 2007 dollars.

Otherwise, it looks like this:

Code: 
FY*       Sony**        Nintendo        Microsoft
1998    974,000,000    629,000,000
1999   1,130,000,000   645,000,000
2000    730,000,000    421,000,000
2001    -409,000,000   726,000,000
2002    623,000,000    800,000,000     -750,000,000
2003    939,000,000    560,000,000     -1,191,000,000
2004    650,000,000    316,000,000     -1,215,000,000
2005    404,000,000    777,000,000     -485,000,000
2006    75,000,000      894,000,000     -1,262,000,000
2007   -1,969,000,000  1,489,000,000   -1,892,000,000
2008   -1,254,000,000    2,480,000,000   532,000,000      
                  
Totals  1,893,000,000  9,737,000,000   -6,263,000,000
 
L

legend166

Member
Ouch for Sony.

The PS3 losses must be massive. Because to get to that number, you've got to take PS2 + PSP profits (I assume they're selling the units at a profit) - PS3 losses.
 
I

itxaka

Defeatist
AniHawk said:
Code: 
FY*       Sony**        Nintendo        Microsoft
1998    1,253,000,000    809,000,000
1999   1,431,000,000   817,000,000
2000    900,000,000    519,000,000
2001    -488,000,000   866,000,000
2002    731,000,000    939,000,000     -880,000,000
2003    1,076,000,000    642,000,000     -1,365,000,000
2004    731,000,000    355,000,000     -1,367,000,000
2005    440,000,000    846,000,000     -528,000,000
2006    79,000,00      942,000,000     -1,329,000,000
2007   -1,969,000,000  1,489,000,000   -1,892,000,000
2008   -1,254,000,000    2,480,000,000   532,000,000      
                  
Totals  2,930,000,000  10,704,000,000   -6,829,000,000


Adjusted for inflation using the internets's inflation calculator. All years 1998-2007 calculated in 2007 dollars.

Otherwise, it looks like this:

Code: 
FY*       Sony**        Nintendo        Microsoft
1998    974,000,000    629,000,000
1999   1,130,000,000   645,000,000
2000    730,000,000    421,000,000
2001    -409,000,000   726,000,000
2002    623,000,000    800,000,000     -750,000,000
2003    939,000,000    560,000,000     -1,191,000,000
2004    650,000,000    316,000,000     -1,215,000,000
2005    404,000,000    777,000,000     -485,000,000
2006    75,000,00      894,000,000     -1,262,000,000
2007   -1,969,000,000  1,489,000,000   -1,892,000,000
2008   -1,254,000,000    2,480,000,000   532,000,000      
                  
Totals  1,893,000,000  9,737,000,000   -6,263,000,000
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wat?

Almost -2000 thousand on 2007 and 1200 thousand on 2008?

That is a lot, wasn´t the ps3 (I assume the losses come from that) starting to give benefits between summer and winter? We will see how things change for them when they start to get money from it.
And Nintendo, wow. Just wow.
 
A

AniHawk

Member
itxaka said:
wat?

Almost -2000 thousand on 2007 and 1200 thousand on 2008?

That is a lot, wasn´t the ps3 (I assume the losses come from that) starting to give benefits between summer and winter? We will see how things change for them when they start to get money from it.
And Nintendo, wow. Just wow.
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Not counting for inflation, Sony and Nintendo were pretty much tied as far as overall profits from 1998-2005.
 
D.Lo

D.Lo

Member
AniHawk said:
Adjusted for inflation using the internets's inflation calculator. All years 1998-2007 calculated in 2007 dollars.
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The figures should be quoted as whatever they were at the time, not adjusted for inflation. What's the point? It's historical data, just leave the numbers as reported.
 
Minsc

Minsc

Gold Member
Wow, I was starting to believe that the PS3 division was going to break even this year, but now next year looks to be more like it for them after seeing how low those numbers are. Well there's always 2010 for Sony to turn a nice profit. By that time Nintendo could be making over $5,000,000,000/year in profit as well if they continue at the rate they're increasing.
 
W

Walshicus

Member
D.Lo said:
The figures should be quoted as whatever they were at the time, not adjusted for inflation. What's the point? It's historical data, just leave the numbers as reported.
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Because nominal prices mean jack shit compared to REAL prices?

Also, [...]
EDIT: Never mind, had the labels on the wrong data... :D
 
S

Stumpokapow

listen to the mad man
Minsc said:
Wow, I was starting to believe that the PS3 division was going to break even this year, but now next year looks to be more like it for them after seeing how low those numbers are. Well there's always 2010 for Sony to turn a nice profit. By that time Nintendo could be making over $5,000,000,000/year in profit as well if they continue at the rate they're increasing.
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These are fiscal years, not calendar years. Nintendo's fiscal year ends March 31st, as does Sony's, so these are both full FY2008 figures. Microsoft's ends in June, so it's 3/4ths of a fiscal year for them.

So I think SCE still has a chance at being profitable next fiscal year... although it's not a guarantee.

Edit: Whoops. Sony hasn't released FYQ4 numbers yet. They don't release for another week.
 
C

Captain Smoker

Member
AniHawk said:
Code: 
FY*       Sony**        Nintendo        Microsoft
1998    1,253,000,000  809,000,000
1999    1,431,000,000  817,000,000
2000    900,000,000    519,000,000
2001    -488,000,000   866,000,000
2002    731,000,000    939,000,000     -880,000,000
2003    1,076,000,000  642,000,000     -1,365,000,000
2004    731,000,000    355,000,000     -1,367,000,000
2005    440,000,000    846,000,000     -528,000,000
2006    79,000,000     942,000,000     -1,329,000,000
2007   -1,969,000,000  1,489,000,000   -1,892,000,000
2008   -1,254,000,000  2,480,000,000   532,000,000      
                  
Totals  2,930,000,000  10,704,000,000  -6,829,000,000


Adjusted for inflation using the internets's inflation calculator. All years 1998-2007 calculated in 2007 dollars.

Otherwise, it looks like this:

Code: 
FY*       Sony**        Nintendo        Microsoft
1998    974,000,000    629,000,000
1999   1,130,000,000   645,000,000
2000    730,000,000    421,000,000
2001    -409,000,000   726,000,000
2002    623,000,000    800,000,000     -750,000,000
2003    939,000,000    560,000,000     -1,191,000,000
2004    650,000,000    316,000,000     -1,215,000,000
2005    404,000,000    777,000,000     -485,000,000
2006    75,000,000      894,000,000     -1,262,000,000
2007   -1,969,000,000  1,489,000,000   -1,892,000,000
2008   -1,254,000,000    2,480,000,000   532,000,000      
                  
Totals  1,893,000,000  9,737,000,000   -6,263,000,000
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Nice chart, thx. :)


Does anyone has financial earnings for Sega? ^^
 
W

Walshicus

Member
Charts, because I didn't see any:

BG.JPG

LG.JPG

RG.JPG


Other bits here too:
http://stevewalsh2.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/OwnStuff.xls

Also, eww at the way MSPaint does BMP to JPG colours. Damn shame I don't have a Paintshop license on this machine.
 
T

tanod

when is my burrito
Minsc said:
Wow, I was starting to believe that the PS3 division was going to break even this year, but now next year looks to be more like it for them after seeing how low those numbers are. Well there's always 2010 for Sony to turn a nice profit. By that time Nintendo could be making over $5,000,000,000/year in profit as well if they continue at the rate they're increasing.
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The games division WAS profitable in the quarter taking place in Oct - Dec. 2007. They could make money again in Jan. - Mar. 2008 but still lose money for the fiscal year.

We won't know until the numbers come out.
 
M

mr_bishiuk

Banned
Stumpokapow said:
These are fiscal years, not calendar years. Nintendo's fiscal year ends March 31st, as does Sony's, so these are both full FY2008 figures. Microsoft's ends in June, so it's 3/4ths of a fiscal year for them.

So I think SCE still has a chance at being profitable next fiscal year... although it's not a guarantee.
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I wonder how long the PS2 will continue to support the gaming division, I cant see it selling as many in Christmas 2008 as it did in 2007, as the Wii will hopefully be more readily available and the 360 and PS3 will be closer to the PS2 price further eating into sales. Also there will be less PS2 games this year to support sales.

If Sony cut the PS3 price if MS makes cuts profitability will be put off for another year I think.
 
W

Walshicus

Member
Also [just for the fuck of it], here are the correlations between the various players and the industry [well, the three manufacturers] as a whole:
Sony: 0.600564392
Nintendo: -0.00073003
Microsoft: 0.862367987
 
L

liuelson

Member
Sir Fragula said:
Also [just for the fuck of it], here are the correlations between the various players and the industry [well, the three manufacturers] as a whole:
Sony: 0.600564392
Nintendo: -0.00073003
Microsoft: 0.862367987
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Ah, so the negative correlation explains Nintendo's hostility to the traditional video game industry and 3rd party publishers, etc. ;-)
 
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