Pureauthor said:

Right - let's keep this sucker in cold storage until...
June 5th, was it?

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Now now, don't be too harsh on him. His screenshot threads and the WiiWare releases thread are very useful, his charts are nice and informative, and he made some nice reusable gifs. Watching Ami clobber him admittedly was kinda amusing at first, but started to occur far too often and lead to him becoming bitter and less interested and involved, which is a shame.
I'd rather have an enthusiastic, highly productive PL than a disillusioned and uninterested one.
There has to be another way to keep him out of (self-inflicted(?)) harms way.


Anyway, sorry for OT. Just found out he's banned again. Poor schmuck.

ccbfan said:

Actually since the slim very few games bombed on the PSP. They sell pretty much what they were expected to sell. You can't make 50K sellers become 500K sellers. At least its not becoming 5k sellers like some Wii games are.

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PSP games that have sold < 5K since the Slim's launch.

PSP Need for Speed: ProStreet - 4800
PSP Umihara Kawase Portable - 4000
PSP Sora no Kiseki Material Collection Portable - 3600
PSP Sega Rally Revo - 3500
PSP Sora no Kiseki FC&SC Kanzenban - 3100
PSP Chronicle of Dungeon Maker 2 - 3100
PSP My Stylist - 3000
PSP Taiheiyou no Arashi: Senkan Yamato, Akatsuki ni Shutsugekisu - 2700
PSP Tomb Raider: Anniversary - 2700
PSP Coded Arms: Contagion - 2600
PSP Space Invaders Extreme - 2500
PSP Mystereet Portable - 1700
PSP Simple 2500 Series Vol. 11: The Puzzle Quest: Agaria no Kishi - 1100
PSP Dead Head Fred - 860
PSP Zero Shiki Kanjou Sentouki Ni (Aces of War 2) - 600

15/45 games released since Slim's launch.

The Wii has 27/62 that last reported < 5K since Slim's launch.

At the other end, Wii has 6 games that released after the Slim that have sold > 250K. PSP has 1. Lower the threshold to 100K, and they're tied at 8, however.

Actually, over the coming months the PSP lineup seems remarkably... full?!

Compared to the consoles...


PSP
05.22 Daisenryaku VII Exceed (System Soft)
05.29 Clannad (Prototype)
05.29 Jikkyou Powerful Pro Yakyuu Portable 3 (Konami)
05.29 Memories Off (Cyberfront)
05.29 Memories Off 2nd (Cyberfront)
05.29 Valhalla Knights 2 (Marvelous Interactive)
06.12 Medical 91 Portable (Takuyo)
06.19 Super Robot Taisen A Portable (Bandai)
06.26 Ken to Mahou to Gakuen Mono (Aquire)
06.26 Shinkyouku Soukai Polyphonica 0-4 Hanashi Full Pack (Prototype)
06.26 Suigetsu Portable (GN Software)
06.26 Winning Post 6 2008 (Koei)
06.26 World Neverland 2-in-1 Portable (fonfun)
07.03 Minna de Dokusho: Meisaku & Suiri & Kaidan & Bungaku (Dorart)
07.10 God of War: Rakujitsu no Hisoukyoku (Capcom)
07.10 Poncotsu Roman Daikatsugeki Bumpy Trot: Vehicle Battle Tournament (IREM)
07.10 Shinseiki GPX Cyber Formula VS (Sunrise Interactive)
07.17 Gundam Battle Universe (Bandai)
07.17 HimeHibi: Princess Days Portable (Takuyo)
07.17 Tir Na Nog (System Soft)
07.24 Eiyuu Densetsu: Sora no Kiseki the 3rd (Falcom)
07.24 Infinite Loop: Kojjou ga Miseta Yume (Nippon Ichi Soft)
07.31 Ginga Ojousama Densetsu Collection (Hudson)
07.31 Guilty Gear XX Accent Core Plus (Arc System Works)
07.31 Mana-Khemia: Gakuen no Renkinjutsushi-tachi Portable Plus (Gust)
07.31 Panic Palette Portable (Takuyo)
07.31 Phantasy Star Portable (SEGA)
07.31 Tengai Makyou Collection (Hudson)
08.28 Fate/Tiger Colosseum Upper (Capcom)
09.25 To Love Ru Trouble: Doki Doki! Rinkaigakkou-Hen (Marvelous interactive)
10.02 Ikki Tousen: Eloquent Fist (Marvelous Interactive)


Wii
05.20 Break In (Naxat Soft)
05.22 Doubutsu Kisoutengai!
05.22 Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock (Activision)
05.22 Narnia Kuni Monogatari Dai-2-Shou: Caspian Ouji no Tsunobue (Disney Interactive Studios)
05.22 Wi-Fi Taiou: Gensen Table Game Wii (Hudson)
05.29 Family Trainer (Namco)
06.05 Fushigi no Dungeon: Furai no Shiren 3: Karakuri Yashiki no Nemuri Hime (SEGA)
06.19 Harukanaru Toki no Naka de 4 (Koei)
06.19 Super Mario Stadium: Family Baseball (Nintendo)
06.26 Tales of Symphonia: Knight of Ratatosk (Namco)
06.26 The World of Golden Eggs: Nori Nori Rhythm Kei (AQ interactive)
07.03 Akko de Pon! Ikasama Hourouki (Success)
07.03 Jawa: Mammoth to Himitsu no Ishi (Spike)
07.10 BioHazard 0 (Capcom)
07.10 Dokapon Kingdom for Wii (Sting)
07.10 Puzzle Series Vol. 2: Illust Logic + Colorful Logic (Hudson)
07.17 Boom Blox (Electronic Arts)
07.24 Jikkyou Powerful Pro Yakyuu 15 (Konami)
07.24 Kung Fu Panda (Activision)
07.24 Mesaze! Tsuri Master: Sekai ni Challenge! Hen (Hudson)
07.24 Samurai Spirits Rokuban Shoubu (SNK Playmore)
08.07 Imabikisou: Kaimei Hen (SEGA)


PlayStation 3
05.22 Haze (Ubisoft)
05.22 MotorStorm Complete (Sony Computer Entertainment)
05.29 Battle Fantasia (Arc System Works)
05.29 Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas 2 (Ubisoft)
05.29 Turok (Touchstone Games)
06.05 Dragon Ball Z: Burst Limit (Bandai)
06.05 FIFA Street 3 (Electronic Arts)
06.12 Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots (Konami)
06.26 Enemy Territory: Quake Wars (Activision)
06.26 The Darkness (Spike)
07/03 Initial D: Extreme Stage (SEGA)
07.10 Dark Sector (D3 Publisher)
07.10 Kane & Lynch: Dead Men (Spike)
07.17 Tears to Tiara: Kakan no Daichi (AquaPlus)
07.24 Kung Fu Panda (Activision)
07.24 Siren New Translation (Sony Computer Entertainment)
07.31 Beijing 2008: The Official Video Game of the Olympic Games (SEGA)
09.11 Stranglehold (Success)


Xbox 360
05.22 Stranglehold (Success)
05.22 The Orange Box (Electronic Arts
05.29 Battle Fantasia (Arc System Works)
05.29 Lost Planet: Colonies (Capcom)
05.29 Overlord (Microsoft Game Studios)
06.05 Dragon Ball Z: Burst Limit (Bandai)
06.05 FIFA Street 3 (Electronic Arts)
06.05 Ninja Gaiden II (Microsoft Game Studios)
06.19 Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock (Activision)
06.26 Battlefield: Bad Company
06.26 Mobile Suit Gundam: Operation: Troy (Bandai)
07.10 Kane & Lynch: Dead Men (Spike)
07.17 Clannad (Prototype)
07.17 Dark Messiah of Might and Magic: Elements (Ubisoft)
07.24 Bully: Scholarship Edition (Bethesda Softworks)
07.31 Beijing 2008: The Official Video Game of the Olympic Games (SEGA)


PlayStation 2
05.22 Slotter Up Mania 10: Pioneer Special 3 (Dorart)
05.29 BeatMania IIDX 14 Gold (Konami)
05.29 D.C. II P.S.: Da Capo II Plus Situation (Kadokawa Shoten)
05.29 Fushigi Yuugi: Suzaku Ibun (Idea Factory)
05.29 Hanayoi Romanesque: Ai to Kanashimi (Marvelous Interactive)
05.29 Mana Khemia 2: Ochita Gakuen to Renkinjutsushi Tachi (Gust)
05.29 Shuumatsu Otome Gensou Alicematic Apocalypse (Russel)
05.29 Togainu no Chi: True Blood (Kadokawa Shoten)
06.05 Yamasa Digi World: Collaboration SP Pachi-Slot Ridge Racer (Namco)
06.19 Harukanaru Toki no Naka de 4 (Koei)
06.19 Sorayume (Takuyo)
06.26 Aria the Origination: Aoi Wakusei no El Cielo (Alchemist)
06.26 Gin no Express (Nine's Fox)
06.26 Hisshou Pachinko*Pachi-Slot Kouryaku Series DS Vol. 12: CR Shinseiki Evangelion: Shito, Futatabi (D3 Publisher)
06.26 L no Kisetsu 2: Invisible Memories (5pb)
06.26 Sengoku Basara X (Capcom)
06.26 Sunsoft Collection (SNK Playmore)
06.26 The King of Fighters '98 Ultimate Match (SNK Playmore)
07.03 Ratchet & Clank 5: Gekitotsu! Dodeka Ginga no Mirimiri Gundan (Sony Computer Entertainment)
07.03 Simple 2000 Series Vol. 123: The Office Love Jikenbou: Reijou Tantei (D3 Publisher)
07.03 Persona 4 (Atlus)
07.17 Poi! Hito Natsu no Keiken!? (Idea Factory)
07.17 Tir Na Nog (System Soft)
07.24 Bully (Bethesda Softworks)
07.24 Hakugin no Soreiyu: Contract to Future (Russel)
07.24 Jikkyou Powerful Pro Yakyuu 15 (Konami)
07.24 Samurai Spirits: Rokuban Shoubu (SNK Playmore)
07.24 Yotsunoha: A Journey of Sincerity (Gadget Soft)
07.31 Akane Iro ni Somaru Saka: Parareru (GN Software)
07.31 Drastic Killer (Bandai)
07.31 Hoshi Furu (Piacci)
07.31 Kanokon: Esuii (5pb)
07.31 Secret Game: Killer Queen (Yeti)
09.25 Kanuchi: Shiroki Tsubasa no Shou (Idea Factory)
09.25 Scarlett: Nichijou no Kyoukaisen (Kadokawa Shoten)

jarrod said:

Actually, over the coming months the PSP lineup seems remarkably... full?!

Compared to the consoles...

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Huh?

jarrod said:

Compared to the consoles

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Oh. :lol

Quality wise those lists are another story though.

wow.

maybe because the ds isn't listed, but there's barely anything interesting on those lists. i can count maybe a half-dozen titles across every platform that are interesting to me and not yet released in the west.

05.22 Narnia Kuni Monogatari Dai-2-Shou: Caspian Ouji no Tsunobue (Disney Interactive Studios)

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Nice name.

donny2112 said:

PSP games that have sold < 5K since the Slim's launch.

PSP Need for Speed: ProStreet - 4800
PSP Umihara Kawase Portable - 4000
PSP Sora no Kiseki Material Collection Portable - 3600
PSP Sega Rally Revo - 3500
PSP Sora no Kiseki FC&SC Kanzenban - 3100
PSP Chronicle of Dungeon Maker 2 - 3100
PSP My Stylist - 3000
PSP Taiheiyou no Arashi: Senkan Yamato, Akatsuki ni Shutsugekisu - 2700
PSP Tomb Raider: Anniversary - 2700
PSP Coded Arms: Contagion - 2600
PSP Space Invaders Extreme - 2500
PSP Mystereet Portable - 1700
PSP Simple 2500 Series Vol. 11: The Puzzle Quest: Agaria no Kishi - 1100
PSP Dead Head Fred - 860
PSP Zero Shiki Kanjou Sentouki Ni (Aces of War 2) - 600

15/45 games released since Slim's launch.

The Wii has 27/62 that last reported < 5K since Slim's launch.

At the other end, Wii has 6 games that released after the Slim that have sold > 250K. PSP has 1. Lower the threshold to 100K, and they're tied at 8, however.

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Would you mind listing the Wii under 5K games too. I'm kinda curious what kind of games those are.

I got the 8 over 100k games though

from the database

PSP
Gundam Battle Chronicle PSP 2007-10-04
Hot Shots Golf: Open Tee 2 PSP 2007-12-06
Star Ocean 1 First Departure PSP 2007-12-27
Kidou Senshi Gundam: Giren no Yabou - Axis no Kyoui PSP 2008-02-07
World Soccer Winning Eleven Ubiquitous Edition 2008 PSP 2008-01-24
Musou Orochi PSP 2008-02-21
Monster Hunter Portable 2 G PSP 2008-03-27
Star Ocean: Second Evolution PSP 2008-04-02


I only got 7 over 100K for the Wii though.

Wii
Super Mario Galaxy Wii 2007-11-01
Resident Evil: The Umbrella Chronicles Wii 2007-11-15
Wii Fit Wii 2007-12-01
Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games Wii 2007-11-22
Super Smash Bros. Brawl Wii 2008-01-31
Deca Sporta: Wii de Sports 10 Shumoku! Wii 2008-03-19
Mario Kart Wii

Which one am I missing?

I gotta say I'm amazed at how strong Nintendo's lineup has been since the Slim's launch. I mean SMG, Brawl, Wii Fit, MK Wii, mini game collection with Mario. Geez thats crazy.

We Ski, I think.

ccbfan said:

Would you mind listing the Wii under 5K games too. I'm kinda curious what kind of games those are.

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WII Family Jockey - 4200
WII Need for Speed: ProStreet - 4000
WII Sonic Riders: Zero Gravity - 3700
WII Dance Dance Revolution Hottest Party - 3400
WII Opoona - 3200
WII Trauma Center: New Blood - 3100
WII Doraemon Wii: Himitsu Douguou Ketteisen! - 3000
WII Medal of Honor Heroes 2 - 3000
WII Bass Fishing - 2800
WII FIFA Soccer 08 - 2500
WII Nodame Cantabile: Dream * Orchestra - 2400
WII Oneechanbara Revolution - 2200
WII Gegege no Kitarou: Youkai Daiundoukai - 2000
WII Choro Q Wii - 1800
WII Namco Museum Remix - 1700
WII Anime Slot Revolution: Pachi-Slot Kidou Senshi Gundam II - Ai Senshi Hen - 1600
WII Winning Post 7 Maximum 2008 - 1500
WII Tamagotchi no Furifuri Kagekidan - 1500
WII Tomb Raider: Anniversary - 1300
WII Lego Star Wars: The Complete Saga - 1300
WII Metal Slug Anthology - 1100
WII Shikigami no Shiro III - 970
WII Osouji Sentai Clean Keeper - 970
WII Uchi Tsuri! Sega Bass Fishing - 940
WII Baroque - 660
WII Nobunaga no Yabou: Kakushin with Power-Up Kit - 650
WII Tiger Woods PGA Tour 08 - 600

ccbfan said:

Which one am I missing?

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Brak said:

We Ski, I think.

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That one.

donny2112 said:

WII Family Jockey - 4200
WII Need for Speed: ProStreet - 4000
WII Sonic Riders: Zero Gravity - 3700
WII Dance Dance Revolution Hottest Party - 3400
WII Opoona - 3200
WII Trauma Center: New Blood - 3100
WII Doraemon Wii: Himitsu Douguou Ketteisen! - 3000
WII Medal of Honor Heroes 2 - 3000
WII Bass Fishing - 2800
WII FIFA Soccer 08 - 2500
WII Nodame Cantabile: Dream * Orchestra - 2400
WII Oneechanbara Revolution - 2200
WII Gegege no Kitarou: Youkai Daiundoukai - 2000
WII Choro Q Wii - 1800
WII Namco Museum Remix - 1700
WII Anime Slot Revolution: Pachi-Slot Kidou Senshi Gundam II - Ai Senshi Hen - 1600
WII Winning Post 7 Maximum 2008 - 1500
WII Tamagotchi no Furifuri Kagekidan - 1500
WII Tomb Raider: Anniversary - 1300
WII Lego Star Wars: The Complete Saga - 1300
WII Metal Slug Anthology - 1100
WII Shikigami no Shiro III - 970
WII Osouji Sentai Clean Keeper - 970
WII Uchi Tsuri! Sega Bass Fishing - 940
WII Baroque - 660
WII Nobunaga no Yabou: Kakushin with Power-Up Kit - 650
WII Tiger Woods PGA Tour 08 - 600




That one.

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Thanks

I guess the difference with the PSP list and the Wii list is that none of the PSP games I thought would sell much better. On the Wii list there's quite a few.

I'm amazed that Opoona, Trauma Center, DDR, metal slug and Sonic Riders sold less than 5K.

Also according to http://joshuajamesslone.name/gamecharting/sqldirect.php Family Ski sold 90684 so that probably why my list only returned 7.

First, let me straight up acknowledge that Wii is not a fertile land for traditional third-party games at the moment in Japan. Getting better. Still fairly bad, but just not as bad as last year.

ccbfan said:

I'm amazed that Opoona, Trauma Center, DDR, metal slug and Sonic Riders sold less than 5K.

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The first Trauma Center (~25K LTD) opened at 3800, so this one started off almost exactly the same.
DDR has been in a big decline in Japan. Most of the PS2 versions debut < 10K and never chart again.
Metal Slug Complete launched on PS2 last year and sold 15K its first month (a full four weeks of sales).

You may recognize more of the games on the Wii, but that doesn't mean that they would be expected to sell much more, based on historical precedence, than they did. Doesn't mean the Wii's sales are good, either, of course.

ccbfan said:

Also according to http://joshuajamesslone.name/gamecharting/sqldirect.php Family Ski sold 90684 so that probably why my list only returned 7.

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Family Ski was in the Monthly Top 50 in March and was at 100,092.

ccbfan said:

I'm amazed that Opoona, Trauma Center, DDR, metal slug and Sonic Riders sold less than 5K.

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I'm not that surprised. Opoona had zero advertising and a price that was far too high. As for Metal Slug, I actually wanted to buy that game and was disappointed when no store in my town stocked the game. I had to order it online because the biggest store in my town didn't even have it listed in their catalog.

Trauma Center WAS advertised and just is a series that Japanese people shun. (they didn't buy the first Wii one or the DS one either) Same with Sonic Riders, but considering the quality of the title you could just call them wise consumers.

The DDR fad is over in Japan, not just on Wii but everywhere. I haven't seen a DDR machine in an arcade for over 3 years.

Vinnk said:

I'm not that surprised. Opoona had zero advertising and a price that was far too high. As for Metal Slug, I actually wanted to buy that game and was disappointed when no store in my town stocked the game. I had to order it online because the biggest store in my town didn't even have it listed in their catalog.

Trauma Center WAS advertised and just is a series that Japanese people shun. (they didn't buy the first Wii one or the DS one either) Same with Sonic Riders, but considering the quality of the title you could just call them wise consumers.

The DDR fad is over in Japan, not just on Wii but everywhere. I haven't seen a DDR machine in an arcade for over 3 years.

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Was their any reason for Koei to believe that Opoona would sale without ads and at a higher price? I think the same thing happened to NG DS, it's confusing.

Linkup said:

Was their any reason for Koei to believe that Opoona would sale without ads and at a higher price? I think the same thing happened to NG DS, it's confusing.

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I have never understood Koei. The released their Wii Romance Of the Three Kingdoms game for over $100 and they wonder why they can't sell more than 1000 copies.

The pricing is madness.

No More Heroes was also like almost $70. For me it was worth it but I was still kinda upset that I would have to pay that much for it. For most people about 5000 yen would be the sweet spot for that game. I think it would have sold better. Not massive sales but better.

Sengouku Basara Heroes (am I spelling that right) was also a lot more on Wii than PS2. Sure it included the previous game as well but it was a good $20 more (IIRC).

In Japan Wii games often cost more than comparable PS3 games. I find that really weird. The system was sold to be affordable but third parties charge so much for their games.

The simple series by D3 was 2000 yen on PS2. But the Wii games are 4000yen. All the PS2 Onechanbara games were 2000 yen but the Wii game Onechanbara R was like 5500yen. It think it was lucky to sell the 2000 copies it did.

I don't get third parties in Japan. The only pricing that seems to make sense is Nintendo. Their prices always seem fair. Wii Sports was 4000, so was brian training and their full featured titles cost normal price. Nintendo made games are the best value for money on the system.

Nights cost more than Super Mario Galaxy (7,140 compared to 5,800 for Galaxy) What the hell were they thinking? Personally I liked Nights a lot, but if I were on a limited budget I could not justify the $13 premium for Nights. I would just get Galaxy.

Third parties really wonder why no one is buying their games?

At least in the US it's more or less that everything costs $50.

07.10 God of War: Rakujitsu no Hisoukyoku (Capcom)

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WOW SONY JAPAN...This is embarrsing! :lol :lol :lol :lol You outsorce the ONLY PSP game that made 500,000 in the west to CAPCOM that sold another 2 MILLION Monster Hunters...

Can we have the sony cat as the new CEO please, at least he gets it!:lol :lol

Oh nice rename. I thought they were just gonna engrish Olympus... The otaku will love this game, tits galore, and knowing Capcom there asking Ready at Dawn to "expand" said mini game. :lol :lol :lol :lol 150,000 tops first week.

PSP Space Invaders Extreme - 2500

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DCharlie said:

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I agree. Both this and the DS version were so much fun. And both bombed hardcore.

I agree with you, Vinnk.

I'm very curious to see how much Power Pro Yakyuu 15 will sell on Wii, it's priced less than PS2 version (6980yen vs. 5980yen) while last year they had same price and PS2 version sold around 3,5x Wii version...

D.Lo said:

So how MH3 handles multilayer could be a key to its success.

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I'm hoping for at least 2 player local co-op. I doubt Nintendo would allow WLAN by then, unless Capcom really push them into doing it.

Vinnk said:

In Japan Wii games often cost more than comparable PS3 games. I find that really weird. The system was sold to be affordable but third parties charge so much for their games.

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Can it have something to do with the license fee, i mean that Nintendo takes more money pr. game sold so the developers sell the games at a higher price to compensate for their loss (or what i shall say).

Vinnk said:

I have never understood Koei. The released their Wii Romance Of the Three Kingdoms game for over $100 and they wonder why they can't sell more than 1000 copies.

The pricing is madness.

No More Heroes was also like almost $70. For me it was worth it but I was still kinda upset that I would have to pay that much for it. For most people about 5000 yen would be the sweet spot for that game. I think it would have sold better. Not massive sales but better.

Sengouku Basara Heroes (am I spelling that right) was also a lot more on Wii than PS2. Sure it included the previous game as well but it was a good $20 more (IIRC).

In Japan Wii games often cost more than comparable PS3 games. I find that really weird. The system was sold to be affordable but third parties charge so much for their games.

The simple series by D3 was 2000 yen on PS2. But the Wii games are 4000yen. All the PS2 Onechanbara games were 2000 yen but the Wii game Onechanbara R was like 5500yen. It think it was lucky to sell the 2000 copies it did.

I don't get third parties in Japan. The only pricing that seems to make sense is Nintendo. Their prices always seem fair. Wii Sports was 4000, so was brian training and their full featured titles cost normal price. Nintendo made games are the best value for money on the system.

Nights cost more than Super Mario Galaxy (7,140 compared to 5,800 for Galaxy) What the hell were they thinking? Personally I liked Nights a lot, but if I were on a limited budget I could not justify the $13 premium for Nights. I would just get Galaxy.

Third parties really wonder why no one is buying their games?

At least in the US it's more or less that everything costs $50.

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Licensing fees perhaps? Nintendo was always known for charging high royalty rates.

SCEJ is fucking pathetic. They can't even publish God of War? :lol

As far as i know Capcom published both God of War 1 and 2 for PS2 in Japan so i dont find it strage that Capcom also publish God of War to PSP as well.

klee123 said:

Licensing fees perhaps? Nintendo was always known for charging high royalty rates.

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They used to, but I remember developpers saying that it was no longer the case since Iwata's arrival. I don't think it's the main reason. (besides this, Power Pro is cheaper on Wii than on PS2 or anywhere else, no ?)

I don't agree at all with Vinnk.

His examples:

San Goku Shi XI with Power-Up Kit - 9800Y
Same price on PS2 and Wii, its a 'power up' edition

No More Heroes - 7140Y
Nights - 7140Y
Hello standard price for 3rd party games for like 8 years on PS2

Sengouku Basara Heroes - 7340Y
2 games in one. PS2 release at 5480Y doesn't have the original Sengoku Basara 2, which costs 3129Y in its budget release.
Compare 7340Y for a Basara 2 + Heroes with 7329Y PS2 users had to pay for the original release of Basara 2.

Onechanbara R - 5800Y
Not a budget series anymore, see X360 Onechanbara, 7140Y

Kurosaki; your points are all true. But Vinnk can also be right, since his main idea is "These games ought to have been cheaper; they would not have bombed as badly". I think it's possible to say that game prices are negatively impacting sales in a very real way while simultaneously acknowledging that there's a particular reason why those games were priced the way they are.

Konami's decision with Powapuro is a pretty obvious one as far as I'm concerned. They know they need to migrate the audience off the PS2. They know the audience is not going to migrate on its own. They offer a decent incentive that prioritizes the Wii version without necessarily killing the PS2 version.

Novid said:

WOW SONY JAPAN...This is embarrsing! :lol :lol :lol :lol You outsorce the ONLY PSP game that made 500,000 in the west to CAPCOM that sold another 2 MILLION Monster Hunters...

150,000 tops first week.

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uhhhh

Capcom published both God of War PS2 games in Japan, along with all the Grand Theft Auto games. This shouldn't come as a surprise. This also doesn't have a damn chance at 150k first week. Neither PS2 God of War game broke that figure lifetime, for one, and it's likely to be CERO Z (the first PS2 GoW wasn't but I think that was a serious error on the part of CERO), so it's not like it's going to be advertised.

Kurosaki Ichigo said:

I don't agree at all with Vinnk.

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Sorry, I wasn't trying to be controversial. I agree that Nintendo is not moving into unprecedented price catagories, I am just saying that it is not working and I am not sure why 3rd parties charge as much as they do.

His examples:

San Goku Shi XI with Power-Up Kit - 9800Y
Same price on PS2 and Wii, its a 'power up' edition

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San Goku Shi XI with Power-Up Kit was the same on Wii as PS2 and both of them sold badly and were way, way, WAY too expensive.

No More Heroes - 7140Y
Nights - 7140Y
Hello standard price for 3rd party games for like 8 years on PS2

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Nights was 7140 yen. I realize that is the same price as a lot of other titles but then you see Nintendo selling Galaxy for so much less and it starts to look like a rip-off. As much as I love Nights, and I do, I don't see it as being $13 better than Mario Galaxy. I don't think I am alone on this either. If I had only enough money to buy one game every few months (this is the case for a LOT of people) I would get the cheaper Galaxy over the more expensive Nights.

Sengouku Basara Heroes - 7340Y
2 games in one. PS2 release at 5480Y doesn't have the original Sengoku Basara 2, which costs 3129Y in its budget release.
Compare 7340Y for a Basara 2 + Heroes with 7329Y PS2 users had to pay for the original release of Basara 2.

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I mentioned that the Wii version came with a version of the previous game. The problem is that the fanbase who already owns the first game doesn't want to rebuy it and for new (or potential new) fans it is a pretty big price barrier for them to get into the series. There should have been the option to just buy Heroes and a budget re-release of Basara 2 for the Wii. As it was people had only one option, so they went for the PS2 version. That's what I would do too.

Onechanbara R - 5800Y
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Onechanbara sold well as a discount priced title. ALL full priced versions flopped. It should have been a discount title on the Wii, that's all I'm saying.





My point is, games made by Nintendo besides being better advertised are also usually cheaper than similiar 3rd party efforts and are seen as a better value for the money. Had Oppona came out at 4000yen rather than 7,140yen, I think a lot more people would have been willing to take a chance on the unproven franchise. True Koei wouldn't make as much money per unit, bit when your sales at 7,140 never even equal a five digit number, then who cares?

But you are right, this is nothing new in the industry. Final Fantasy XII went for 8,990yen and sold fine (it was a massive game that people felt was worth the premium cost). But my friends who are new to video games (or are "lapsed gamers") usually only own 3 or 4 games because in their opinion they are too expensive. When they do cough up the money for a game they want something that is a great value for their money and they are not very willing to take risks when so much money is involved. So they buy first party titles. They don't know they are first party titles, they don't scan the back of the box to make sure Capcom was not involved. They don't care. They just want a game that they feel is worth their money.

I think if third party games sold at lower prices they would sell better and maybe have a chance in a first party dominated market.

Perhaps I am being too idealistic...

Vinnk said:

Perhaps I am being too idealistic...

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Not at all. Prices are perhaps the last remaining hurdle for games to become really mainstream. Nintendo's approach of starting at a lower price but then keeping that stable is going in the right direction, but I feel even their prices are still high (especially here in Europe) and are only considered low relative to what's demanded elsewhere in the industry.

jj984jj said:

Huh?


Oh. :lol

Quality wise those lists are another story though.

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Yeah... the PS2 & PSP lists especially seem pretty stuffed with PC ADV ports.


Anyway, DS for the curious...

05.22 Genmu no Tou to Tsurugi no Okite (Success)
05.22 Hercules no Eikou: Tamashii no Shoumei (Nintendo)
05.22 Hiiro no Kakera DS (Idea Factory)
05.22 Narnia Kuni Monogatari Dai-2-Shou: Caspian Ouji no Tsunobue (Disney Interactive Studios)
05.22 Ochaken no Heya DS 3 (MTO)
05.22 Othello de Othello DS (MegaHouse)
05.22 Pro Yakyuu Team o Tsukurou! (SEGA)
05.22 Shoho Kara wa Hajimeru Otona no Eitango Renshuu (NOW Production)
05.22 Simple DS Series Vol. 36: Arc de Minitsuku! Toeic Test Bunpou Tokkun Hen (D3 Publisher)
05.22 Simple DS Series Vol. 37: Arc de Minitsuku! Toeic Test Listening Kyouka Hen (D3 Publisher)
05.22 Simple DS Series Vol. 38: Arc de Manabu! Toeic Test Hajimete Hen (D3 Publisher)
05.29 13-Sai no Hello Work DS (Digital Works Entertainment)
05.29 Deep Aquarium: Kiseki no Shinkai (Ertain)
05.29 Front Mission 2089: Border of Madness (Square Enix)
05.29 Fushigi? Kagaku: Nazotoki Quiz Training: NazoTore (Benesse)
05.29 Kuukan * Zukei: Hirameki Training: KuuTore (Benesse)
05.29 Mugen no Frontier: Super Robot Taisen OG Saga (Bandai)
05.29 Ohimesama Debut (Cave)
05.29 Quiz no Tabi: Tetsudou Ryojou Hen (Success)
05.29 Sudoku DS: Nikoli no Sudoku Ketteiban (Hudson)
05.29 Tokutei! Metabo Juku (Ludic)
05.29 Zombie Shiki: Eigo Ryoku Sosei Jutsu: English of the Dead (SEGA)
06.05 99 no Namida (Bandai)
06.05 DS Yamamura Misa Suspense: Maiko Kogiku, Kisha Katherine, Sougiya, Isa Akashi Koto ni Maru Hana Sanrin: Kyoto Satujin Jinken File (Tecmo)
06.06 Nandoku Kanji DS: Nandoku Yojijukugo Koji Kotowaza (Spike)
06.12 Hisshou Pachinko*Pachi-Slot Kouryaku Series DS Vol. 2: CR Shinseiki Evangelion: Shito, Futatabi (D3 Publisher)
06.12 Majin Tantei Nougame Neuro: Neuro to Miko no Bishoku Sanmai (Marvelous Interactive)
06.12 Motto Toeic Test DS Training (IE Institute)
06.12 Sekai wa Atashi de Mawatteru (Global A Entertainment)
06.19 Dokusho Shitendo DS: Genji Monogatari + Chottodake Bungaku (Dorart)
06.19 Dokusho Shitendo DS: Hanshichi Yuumon & Ango & Ago Juurou & Hatamoto Taikutsu Otoko (Dorart)
06.19 DS de Yomu Series: Tezuka Osamu Hi no Tori 1 (Compile Heart)
06.19 DS de Yomu Series: Tezuka Osamu Hi no Tori 2 (Compile Heart)
06.19 DS de Yomu Series: Tezuka Osamu Hi no Tori 3 (Compile Heart)
06.19 Gakken Mainichi no Drill DS: Mesaze! Miracle Shougaku 1 Nensei (Gakushuu Kenkyuusha)
06.19 Nippon Shuzan Renmei Kanshuu: Itsudemo Soroban DS (Four Winds)
06.19 Spectral Force Genesis (Idea Factory)
06.26 Bleach: The 3rd Phantom (SEGA)
06.26 Bokura no Telebi Game Kentei (Bandai)
06.26 Breath: Toiki wa Akaneiro (Success)
06.26 Daigassou Band Brothers DX (Nintendo)
06.26 Dementium: Heisa Byoutou (Interchannel-Holon)
06.26 Derby Stallion DS (Enterbrain)
06.26 Disney Friends (Disney Interactive Studios)
06.26 Glory Days: Yuugeki no Hero (Interchannel)
06.26 Hakoniwa Seikatsu: Hitsuji Mura DS (Success)
06.26 Higurashi no Nakukoru ni Kizuna: Dai-Ichi-Kan Tatari (Alchemist)
06.26 Jigsaw World: Daigekitou! Jig-Battle Heroes (Nippon Ichi Soft)
06.26 Makai Senki Disgaea: Makai no Ouji to Akai Tsuki (Nippon Ichi Soft)
06.26 Motto Me de Unou o Kitaeru DS: Sokudoku Jutsu (MileStone)
06.26 Odenkun: Tanoshii Oden Mura (Hudson)
06.26 Ookami to Koushinryou: Boku to Horo no Ichinen (ASCII Media Works)
06.26 Owarai Zunou Battle: Nobunaga no Yabou (Koei)
06.26 Panpaka Panya-San (Starfish SD)
06.26 Simple DS Series Vol. 39: The Shouboutai (D3 Publisher)
06.26 Spongebob to Atlantis: Ikitain Desu (THQ)
06.26 The Tower DS (DigiToys)
06.26 Watashi no Pony (Starfish SD)
07.03 Eigo de Yomou: Sekai no Bungaku (Interchannel)
07.03 Eigo de Yomou: Sekai no Douwa (Interchannel)
07.03 Nanashi no Game (Square Enix)
07.03 Riku to Johan: Kaeta Nimai no E (fonfun)
07.03 Yukkuri Tanoshimi Taijin no Jigsaw Puzzle DS: Watase Seizou: Love Hana to Midori (Interchannel)
07.03 Yukkuri Tanoshimi Taijin no Jigsaw Puzzle DS: Watase Seizou: Love Umi to Blue (Interchannel)
07.10 Cosmetic Paradise: Make no Kiseki (Global A Entertainment)
07.10 Custom Beat Battle: Draglade 2 (Bandai)
07.10 Dokapon Journey! Nakayoku Kenka Shite (Sting)
07.10 Gakken Chuugokugo Sanmai DS (Gakken)
07.10 Gegege no Kitarou: Youkai Daigekisen (Bandai)
07.10 Hanayori Danshi: Koi Seyo Onago (Konami)
07.10 Naruto Shippuuden: Saikyou Ninja Daikesshuu Gekitou! Naruto vs. Sasuke (TOMY)
07.10 Pet Shop Monogatari DS (Taito)
07.10 Touch de Ni-Hao Hitsudan (Digital Media Lab)
07.10 Yokojiku de Manabu Sekai no Rekishi: Yoko-Gaku DS (TOMY)
07.17 Denjirou Sensei no Fushigi na Jikkenshitsu (Jaleco)
07.17 Dragon Quest V: Tenkuu no Hanayome (Square Enix)
07.17 Gabu*Gabu Planet (Koei)
07.17 Gachapin Challenge DS (Hudson)
07.17 Gakkou no Kaidan DS (Compile Heart)
07.17 Hello Kitty no Panda Sport Stadium (Dorart)
07.17 Knights in the Nightmare (Sting)
07.17 Metal Slug 7 (SNK Playmore)
07.24 Kangaeru Ryoku o Gungun Nobasu! DS Youji no Nou Tre (ShoPro)
07.24 Katekyoo Hitman Reborn! DS Flame Rumble Hyper: Moeyo Mirai (TOMY)
07.24 Kikansha Thomas DS 2: Asonde Manabu DS Youchien (Rocket Company)
07.24 Kirarin * Revolution: Minna de Odorou Furi Furi Debut! (Konami)
07.24 Koma Neko DS (Genterprise)
07.24 Korg DS-10 (AQ Interactive)
07.24 Kung Fu Panda (Activision)
07.24 Kuwagata Tsumami: Kuttsuke! Tsumami Hako (Success)
07.24 Machi-Ing Maker DS (D3 Publisher)
07.24 Mezase Seishun! Koushien DS (Tasuke)
07.24 New International Hyper Sports DS (Konami)
07.24 Steal Princess: Touzoku Oujo (Marvelous Intearctive)
07.24 Touch de Taikyaku! Yawaraka Sensha (Success)
07.24 Twilight Syndrome: Kinjiratera Toshi Densetsu (Spike)
07.26 Moetan DS (Idea Factory)
07.31 Dokidoki Majo Shinpan! 2 (SNK Playmore)
07.31 Major DS: Dream Baseball (TOMY)
07.31 Moe Star: Moeru Toudai Eigojuku (Mirai Shounen)
07.31 Nippon Futsal League Kounin: Minna no Futsal (Jourdan)
07.31 Nobunaga no Yabou DS 2 (Koei)
07.31 Panda-San Nikki (Namco)
07.31 Pururun! Shizuku-Chan Aha-* DS Drill Kokugo (Marvelous Interactive)
07.31 Pururun! Shizuku-Chan Aha-* DS Drill Sansuu (Marvelous Interactive)
07.31 Remyuouru no Renkinjutsushi (NCS)
07.31 Shinreigari: Ghost Hound DS (5pb)
07.31 Simple DS Series Vol. 40: The Gekai (D3 Publisher)
07.31 Windy x Windam (Success)
08.07 Chou Shittou Caduceus 2 (Atlus)
08.07 DS Pico Series: Sanrio no Party e Ikou! Oryouri, Oshare, Okaimono (Compile Heart)
08.07 Gakkou no Kowai Uwasa: Hanako-San Gakita!! (Arc System Works)
08.07 Mite wa Ikenai (Dimple Entertainment)
08.07 Nazo Nazo & Quiz Ichi Kotae Jikkon Q Mate! (Konami)
08.07 SanGokuShi Taisen Ten (SEGA)
08.07 Umibe de Reach! DS (NCS)
08.07 Wantame Variety Channel (Capcom)
08.21 Tokyo Majin Gakuen: Kenfuuchou (Marvelous Interactive)
08.22 Inazuma Eleven (Level-5)
08.28 To Love Ru Trouble: Waku Waku! Rinkangakkou-Hen (Marvelous Interactive)
10.23 Ketsui Death Label (Arika)

jarrod said:

08.22 Inazuma Eleven (Level-5)

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<3

Vinnk said:

My point is, games made by Nintendo besides being better advertised are also usually cheaper than similiar 3rd party efforts and are seen as a better value for the money.

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The platform holder has an inherent advantage, they do not have to pay the license fee to release their games so can make the same profit at a lower price than 3rd party publishers.

Mushashi said:

The platform holder has an inherent advantage, they do not have to pay the license fee to release their games so can make the same profit at a lower price than 3rd party publishers.

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We've known for some time that the licensing fees for the DS&Wii are lower than others so I don't think charging an extra $10 would be because of that. I could see charging $3-5 per copy but even that seems like a bit much. Spread that licensing fee across 30k of sells and it can't be all that much is what I'm saying.

uhhhh

Capcom published both God of War PS2 games in Japan, along with all the Grand Theft Auto games. This shouldn't come as a surprise. This also doesn't have a damn chance at 150k first week. Neither PS2 God of War game broke that figure lifetime, for one, and it's likely to be CERO Z (the first PS2 GoW wasn't but I think that was a serious error on the part of CERO), so it's not like it's going to be advertised.

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Oh...I didnt know this...

Well i say 150,000 first week because its Capcom, and the PSP has made them buckloads of money, and monster hunter was in the same "place" way back when...but point taken.

Wii Play is knocked out of the top ten!? :O

Does thet pretty much wrap it up for Wii?

Thanks for the list jarrod. I didn't know Tecmo's next suspense title was coming out so soon, is Yamamura Misa as popular as Nishimura Kyotaro in Japan?

klee123 said:

Licensing fees perhaps? Nintendo was always known for charging high royalty rates.

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Yeah they were, just like they were always known for heavily censoring games, years ago.

Mushashi said:

The platform holder has an inherent advantage, they do not have to pay the license fee to release their games so can make the same profit at a lower price than 3rd party publishers.

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It's all the licensing fees then? If that is really the case Nintendo has no one to plame for the poor sales of 3rd party games then themselves. PS2 built up a massive library of inexpensive (2000-3000yen) 3rd party games to go along with its full priced snd premium priced games. Nintendo needs these.

But are the fees really that much? So much that they HAVE to charge an extra 1300 yen for Opoona, Nights, etc? If that is the case I can see why 3rd parties would hate Nintendo. But I have a feeling that it is not that high.

Can anyone shed a little more light on this?

Isn't the "simple" series of games on the Wii? Aren't those usually vastly cheaper? Or are we talking something else with regards to pricing?

Mefisutoferesu said:

Isn't the "simple" series of games on the Wii? Aren't those usually vastly cheaper? Or are we talking something else with regards to pricing?

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The simple series cost 2000yen on the PS2 and 2,940yen on the Wii. So maybe the Nintendo fees really are a lot higher. Nintendo also dosn't seem to allow a "greatest hits" series of reduced priced games. Or is that the 3rd parties themselves that don't persure it?

But in my thinking, if D3 can put out a game for 2940, why can't SEGA or Koei release theirs for 5800? I think that would be the sweet spot for a lot of customers. Especially those new customers who don't realize that this is how much gamers have come to expect to pay.

And down they go...

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Can't do the rest right now so someone pick up the job
Updated with more work to do :lol
Did some...now I really have to go...

Kurosaki Ichigo said:

PSP&#12288;56000
2.MHP2G&#12288;56000&#12288;2121000

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Uhhh.

Jonnyram said:

Uhhh.

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Heh.

Poor numbers all round :/

These sales are mad.

Luminous Arc 2 sees a 10K increase in opening week sales over the first one.

Jonnyram said:

Uhhh.

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:lol

Vinnk said:

The simple series cost 2000yen on the PS2 and 2,940yen on the Wii. So maybe the Nintendo fees really are a lot higher. Nintendo also dosn't seem to allow a "greatest hits" series of reduced priced games. Or is that the 3rd parties themselves that don't persure it?

But in my thinking, if D3 can put out a game for 2940, why can't SEGA or Koei release theirs for 5800? I think that would be the sweet spot for a lot of customers. Especially those new customers who don't realize that this is how much gamers have come to expect to pay.

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You know, Vinnk, I wonder the same thing. There's no reason for those games to be so expensive. I would have purchased Romance, but it's $100. Are they crazy? No wonder they only sold a couple copies. At $50, it's reasonable, and I wonder if other players would have picked it up.

I get the feeling that companies are trying to take Wii players for a ride with their pricing.

Oh, and those of you in Japan who are looking for Wii Wheels, Bic Camera got a shipment in today. I was able to finally pick one up!!! Woot!

Brandon F said:

Wii Play is knocked out of the top ten!? :O

Does thet pretty much wrap it up for Wii?

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Yes. Sell your systems, it's all over.

holy fuck at mario party ds being at 1.7 million.

Top 5 Mario Party Games:
Mario Party DS - 1,706,000
Mario Party 8 - 1,216,000
Mario Party 4 - 902,000
Mario Party 2 - 884,000
Mario Party 3 - 846,000

So MPDS might end up lifetime DOUBLING the top selling Mario Party game before this generation. I find it hilarious that people were blown away when 8 ended up being the best-selling Mario Party--and then DS annihilated even that.

Also, Batallion Wars 2 is pretty much equal to Batallion Wars 1. BW GCN opened at 21k. No surprise here, really--it's a thoroughly C-tier game in terms of advertising/promotion, it's massive delayed from the NA release, and it's being pushed out in a major dead period.

Vinnk said:

I agree. Both this and the DS version were so much fun. And both bombed hardcore.

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which one should I get?