InaudibleWhispa
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They just flipped the video. Although it's interesting that they constantly overlay footage of Hannah and Eve together during the credits so they're both one image.
This is more or less what I think. Everything was a lie. She designed a set of lies to be caught on so that she could then confess to them without confessing to the actual lie.She's playing us all, and she got away with murder.
This is more or less what I think. Everything was a lie. She designed a set of lies to be caught on so that she could then confess to them without confessing to the actual lie.
They're both the same person. The last day when they bring Eve in for questioning she says "This is a nicer room. This is where you take people when it's time to arrest them?"
I can see how some folks might not find the Twins explanation plausible, but we're talking about created fiction here, not real life.
Is there any evidence at all that contradicts Twins?
Probably been mentioned but in the credits the tattoo is on her right arm then later its on her left....
I'm team Twins because of the tattoo.
I'm surprised so many people are going with multiple personalities over twins..
Maybe Hannah wanted to have a baby with Simon and used Eve as the surrogate mother. Simon found out about it, flipped out and the women killed him. Who knows? There are too many maybes and possible explanations, but none of them can be verified, since we have limited access to the information surrounding the case (and what we have is highly unreliable!).
EDIT: Also, what's the MPD explanation for the story about Hannah almost drowning Eve? Hannah talks about it and Eve sings about it.
So? Whether or not she got away with it is irrelevant. We don't really know anything about the case or a trial or anything else that happened. I think that making up an elaborate story that makes you sound insane would be a reasonable kind of thing to do in an attempt to get your sentence reduced when you know you're going to be caught, and she does go to the police first, meaning she began the whole thing on her terms.But that makes no sense as we know she's in prison anyway. The only reason she would make up the split personality story was because there were twins and she wants one of them to get away at least. So Eve protected Hannah by pretending they were one the whole time. I think the admission of the personality stuff isn't until the latter interviews anyway.
But I still think she's just insane.
So? Whether or not she got away with it is irrelevant. We don't really know anything about the case or a trial or anything else that happened. I think that making up an elaborate story that makes you sound insane would be a reasonable kind of thing to do in an attempt to get your sentence reduced when you know you're going to be caught, and she does go to the police first, meaning she began the whole thing on her terms.
If you somehow convince the police that it was really your sister and that you're some person who is completely undocumented then, as she says, can they arrest someone who doesn't exist?
And yet even if they don't buy it, then it falls back on the multiple personalities and maybe you get some pity for apparently being insane.
So? Whether or not she got away with it is irrelevant. We don't really know anything about the case or a trial or anything else that happened. I think that making up an elaborate story that makes you sound insane would be a reasonable kind of thing to do in an attempt to get your sentence reduced when you know you're going to be caught, and she does go to the police first, meaning she began the whole thing on her terms.
If you somehow convince the police that it was really your sister and that you're some person who is completely undocumented then, as she says, can they arrest someone who doesn't exist?
And yet even if they don't buy it, then it falls back on the multiple personalities and maybe you get some pity for apparently being insane.
At this point I think the developer succeeded in making his game ambiguous enough we could each make our own conclusion and is happy to watch us be dogs chasing our own tails.
Without a smoking gun either interpretation has to be considered true. The only failing on his part then is how early in the process he allows us to say we're done. He should have made us find at least 75% of the videos first. At least.
I think so too. He made both possible explanations not make much sense just to make this discussion happen. It's an interesting decision, but I'm not sure if I like it. Really the whole game is incredibly interesting, but I don't know if I like it.
At least the underlining story of the two personalities don't really change much whether or not they both inhabit the same body.
Really, the way you have all been talking during the last six-sevenish posts just reinforces my belief in the "she's lying and playing us all" theory. Trying to polarize us in overdramatized and polarizing theories...it feels too damn intentional. I still maintain that she has fucked with all of our heads, and forgive me if I missed this, but is there yet any concrete proof against this (and presumably concrete proof as far as the MPD or twins theories go)?
Because given the debate, I'm doubting so. And thus given the debate, I'm just further and further inclined to believe this, and that the misleading and arguing is intentionally trying to misguide us all to the truth: that she killed her husband and led the police and us on a chase, falling into easy Hollywood traps, while she got away with murder.
I forgot, there's also the lie detector test which implies that she's not lieing, or at least that she truly believes her story.
By this logic, Eve might be a supernatural twin crossing over from a mirror dimension. Which is really cool, but requires more "what ifs" than mental illness and unreliable narration.
To be clear - I love reading and entertaining other interpretations. I dont think there is one right answer. Im just personally of the Occam's razor school of thought.
i can't wait when some guy decides to compile all the clips and puts them in order on YT or something. wanna see how all 7 interviews come out. too lazy to compile them myself
If you want to watch them all in order, you can go into the game's folder (StreamingAssets) and select them all and watch them in whatever media player you want. They are all in order too lol
Bruises can be covered with makeup. Tattoo could have been made the day before it showed up first on her hand (especially if it's a paint-on tattoo). Both far more believable than 5 year olds elaborately plotting the rest of their lives together, and playing their parents like a damn fiddle for years on end. Not sure what the coffee thing is?I think this is much simpler than people want to make it. Bruises, Tattoo, Coffee. #TeamTwins
But there are no records, as she showed up there with no ID.Hospital records would kind of prove twins. I never really considered multiple personalities.
i can't wait when some guy decides to compile all the clips and puts them in order on YT or something. wanna see how all 7 interviews come out. too lazy to compile them myself
Hannah got hit by Simon which left a bruise, Eve is asked about it later and says it cleared up quickly, touching the wrong side of her face.
The story about Eve checking into the hospital in Glasgow the night Simon was murdered, which they tried to use to clear Hannah of murder. If it was a split personality, how did they manage to be in both places?
But there are no records, as she showed up there with no ID.
I forgot, there's also the lie detector test which implies that she's not lieing, or at least that she truly believes her story.
Appunwrapper.com have done it. Just waiting on the seventh one as of yesterday. (Edit, the seventh one is up)
http://www.appunwrapper.com/2015/06/24/her-story-walkthrough-guide/
Edit:
Simon's already gone at least a week before the bruise appears and she didn't have ID so it's unprovable that she was ever in Glasgow.
The tattoo is a tough one due to Hannah wearing short sleeves and no visible tattoo on June 25. If she got it midway through the interview process, it pokes holes in her story of when Eve met Simon while singing at the pub.Eve had the tattoo of the snake and the apple, Hannah didn't (seems silly of them to wear short sleeved shirts to interviews though). I saw some mention that Eve got this between interviews, but isn't it just that we previously saw Hannah instead of Eve in the t-shirt?
They interpret each other as the others reflection - touch your right side of the face while looking in a mirror, the person looking back at you is touching their left. The bruise only appears on Hannah on June 25, so once it clears up it clears up for good.Hannah got hit by Simon which left a bruise, Eve is asked about it later and says it cleared up quickly, touching the wrong side of her face.
Can be inferred that they manipulated and stopped Simon's watch in the aftermath of the murder, so when the body was reported days later they could have a Glasgow alibi by pointing out the time discrepancy. Eve actively tries to do this during the June 27 interview and in increasingly desperate fashion in future interviews. Eve admits in the final interview that "the watch, that was my touch - to make sure the alibi stuck." There's also no evidence of hospital records in Glasgow proving anything regarding twins, just that Eve insists there's records of her stay. Eve also doesn't have a car - "just a spare set of keys" - so she had to take Hannah's car to Glasgow either way.The story about Eve checking into the hospital in Glasgow the night Simon was murdered, which they tried to use to clear Hannah of murder. If it was a split personality, how did they manage to be in both places?
This also is a clue that they're the same person - Hannah being pregnant and Eve trying to reconcile that fact (Eve: "I was pretty ill.. I think my period stopped because hers had" "For the first time, my reflection, she didn't look like me.") This is also the time period that Eve can no longer be with Hannah and goes back to the "attic" ("It's like I suddenly didn't exist" "Was it time to become our own people?"). She begins wearing a blonde wig when she wants to sneak out, having casual sex with strangers outside Hannah's social circle. Eve's desire and inability to get pregnant, and ultimately her contribution to the baby's miscarriage, fits the MPD theory.Eve trying to get pregnant to match Hannah, failing to do that made them think she was infertile and resulted in contracting an STD. I have no idea what they would have done with Eve's child had she been successful, though.
They use diaries to keep track of their stories and lives in order to keep things straight for the other, and the knock code is a form of secret communication/conversation that they learned and utilized. Don't see how it's an either/or situation.There's no need for the knock code if they're the same person, and maybe even the diary. If you argue the diary is necessary then the knock code definitely isn't.
That can all be interpreted as symptoms of MPD as well. Remember, they absolutely believe that they are two separate people with separate wants and needs inside the same body. It also explains the notes her parents would find that look like she's writing nonsense to herself, the one sided conversations in the attic when her parents think she's playing with an imaginary friend called Eve, so much knocking they thought the house had mice. Depending on what the situation called for, that's the personality that would show up. Worked that way until Simon came into their lives.There's lots of little tidbits too, like the story about Eve sneaking down in her underwear to go to the toilet and being caught by their mother. She ran into Hannah's room and Hannah jumped out fully dressed. There was also mention of Hanah taking extra food for Eve to eat. Another example, Hannah and Eve going to the bathroom to switch clothes on their date with Simon. They wouldn't need to physically go somewhere to switch if they were the same person.
Interview 1: June 18, 1994. Eve as Hannah. She has her hair down. Theres no bruise yet, so it makes sense that Eve is playing as Hannah here. Eve introduces herself as Hannah and talks about her husband, Simon Smith, who has gone missing. She hasnt seen him in days, which is unlike him. She mentions his boss, Eric, and that he works as a glazier for a glass and mirror company. She wants the police to help find Simon, because shes worried. Its not like him to disappear.
Interview 2: June 25, 1994. Hannah as Hannah. She has her hair up. She has a bruise on her left cheek. She claims she hit a doorknob (righhhht). Its more likely that she got it when she killed Simon. But for now, her story is that he went missing and she wants the police to find him.
Interview 3: June 27, 1994. She has her hair down. Eve as Hannah (since the bruise is gone). She talks about the Glasgow trip. Its possible that Eve is the one who came in for questioning this time since shes the one who went to Glasgow, not Hannah. That way she could give the details without messing it up. She confuses the side that the bruise was on, as though she were looking at a reflection when she saw it on Hannahs face. She brushes it off as a fast metabolism, but were not supposed to buy that story. She throws up, says its morning sickness. Shes pregnant (we learn later that Eve is pregnant).
Interview 4: June 30, 1994. Hannah as Hannah. She has her hair up. Shes wearing short sleeves and theres no tattoo like we see the next day on Eve. Shes very chatty. She talks about her miscarriage and her parents dying in the same year, 1984. They were poisoned with death cap mushrooms, even though her father was an mushroom expert. Its heavily implied in the game that Eve killed their parents. Hannah mentions Eve, calls her a childhood friend who she tried to drown at some point. Then scolds herself for talking about Eve.
Interview 5: July 1, 1994. Eve as Hannah. She has her hair down. She starts in a white shirt and spills coffee on herself. She then changes into a short-sleeved t-shirt that reveals a tattoo weve never seen before. She claims to have gotten it to express her individuality. Its of an apple and a snake. She also plays a song on her guitar for the detective. Strange that they would even ask her, but she plays an old ballad called The Wind and the Rain about a jealous older sister killing s younger sister. Its quite a fun, creepy song.
Interview 6: July 2, 1994. Eve as Hannah. She has her hair down. Shes angry here. Perhaps Hannah hasnt gotten away yet and shes nervous that theyll figure out the whole twin thing too soon? She denies being a twin and challenges them to test her fingerprints against Hannahs. Perhaps she hopes theyre bluffing? She has some harsh words for the detective and storms out like she doesnt have time for this.
Interview 7: July 3, 1994. She has her hair down. Eve first as Hannah, shortly confessing to be Eve. Eve starts off pretending to be Hannah. But shes in a good mood, doesnt seem phased by anything. Her anger from the previous day is gone. It seems Hannahs gotten away, so shes very relaxed. Agrees to take a lie detector test and gets all the answers right except for her name (Hannah Smith). Its possible she did this on purpose because she was eager to tell her story to someone now that Hannahs gotten away and she feels invincible. So she comes clean, explains the meaning of the tattoo (snake and apple for the forbidden fruit and Garden of Eden). Then she offers to come clean with her whole story, telling about their childhood and how they spent their lives swapping places, pretending to be the same person. Theres no record of Eves existence, so shes basically a ghost. She explains how Hannah married Simon and didnt want to share him with Eve, but Eve eventually had an affair with him and got pregnant. Simon gave Hannah a mirror for her birthday that was supposed to be one of a kind. But Hannah put on a wig to pretend to be Eve with Simon and he gave her a mirror just like the other one. So Hannah snapped, broke the mirror and slit his throat with the broken glass. Then she called Eve and they hatched this whole plan, where they would change the time on Simons watch so it can coincide with a trip to Glasgow. Then Eve would pretend to be Hannah while Hannah got away. And they cant arrest Eve because she doesnt legally exist.
Hannah killed Simon and Eve distracted the police while she got away. Since Eve isnt guilty and theres no record of her existence, the police cant arrest her.
If I can step back for a second here and go a bit into the meta/development side of the game - it is completely likely that Sam Barlowe included legitimate hints towards both the split personality and twin theories in the game to fuel speculation and discussion.... like the one in this very thread.
I still say the more plausible and believable option is the more likely one to be "canon", but maybe SB is also happy with it being completely ambiguous, who knows.
I thought it was pretty clear Hannah was upset that Simon impregnated Eve, which is the reason they got into an argument.
Eve even says that when Hannah first told Simon that she had a pregnant sister she wanted to help house through pregnancy, Simon's look on his face gave everything away (second video in the sister search term). She then pretended to be Eve to confirm her suspicions, and the argument/murder happened there (last video on throat search).
For MPD, I guess she might read Simon's reaction wrong, but the motive seems pretty clear either way, unless Eve's straight up lying.
EDIT: Also, what's the MPD explanation for the story about Hannah almost drowning Eve? Hannah talks about it and Eve sings about it.
He means when she was born - she concocted this story about the midwife taking her away after telling her parents she was dead (when she wasn't.)
That hospital would have the birth records - something we don't know about at all.
Funny thing: The way Eve describes Clarence's work as a midwife made me assume that Hannah, either with or without Eve, was born in her house, not a hospital. That would explain why there's no official mention of Eve anywhere.