If you said that Ratchet would have outsold QB a few months ago you would have been laughed at. This is a slow month, QB that had a big advertising budget and presence at trade shows ect has no excuse for not breaking at least 250k.
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NPD Sales Results for April 2016 [Sony, MS, & Nintendo refuse to comment on hardware]
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If you said that Ratchet would have outsold QB a few months ago you would have been laughed at. This is a slow month, QB that had a big advertising budget and presence at trade shows ect has no excuse for not breaking at least 250k.
Jinfash
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Thank you
spatenfloot
Member
Not much chance it charts again.
Galactic Barret
Member
I've been wanting to ask for a while but didn't know how to frame:
How does MS quantify this as the Best Lineup In Xbox History?
Meta, Sales, Hype? Because just from memory, its seems like there were times in the 360 years where all three of those were MUCH higher. Critics were wowed, Sales were record-breaking and everyone was HAF. Since its in its flyers and commercials, could MS get in trouble for false advertisement?
How does MS quantify this as the Best Lineup In Xbox History?
Meta, Sales, Hype? Because just from memory, its seems like there were times in the 360 years where all three of those were MUCH higher. Critics were wowed, Sales were record-breaking and everyone was HAF. Since its in its flyers and commercials, could MS get in trouble for false advertisement?
Voost Kain
Banned
Has nothing to do with outsell, the point was it was a thread even if it sold less because COD bundle, which is PS4, along with a $40 game is a thread to a new Ip trying to move Xbox Ones.
Just like Darksouls 3 not only can be the same threat since that series focuses more on PS4 in sales, but also within it's own platform as well.
Add in some left overs from The Division and it pretty much a gang-up.
Dark Souls no longer niche. Ratchet and Clank triple-A behemoth! Up is down, left is right! We're through the looking glass here, people.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
That was always just a marketing stunt. It worked for console war talk I suppose.
Thanks.
demigod
Member
Stop while you still can!
Did you see we've had at least one retail worker say the bundles were basically dead?
Galactic Barret
Member
Exactly, but its quantifiable. There is more time in the year, for sure, and it could very well turn around in sales and review scores, but its a lie as it stands.
i don't understand what exactly you are trying to say? do you agree that the game did bad considering it had a bundle and good marketing push and has been touted as the big exclusive since the launch of xbox one? the point is quantum break failed to sell to the existing base and failed to entice new buyers. the "threats" you posted aren't strong enough to validate an abysmal performance of the game.
Generally in today's market, you need to be releasing best in class software, or notably unique software, and Quantum Break is neither of those.
It also helps to be in tune with where the market is, or where it's heading, and your value proposition is going to be scrutinized pretty heavily.
I feel the core difference between Ratchet and Quantum Break is that Ratchet is one of the only high quality 3D platformers we've got in ages and it was being sold at an affordable price.
Quantum Break is one of quite a few cinematic shooters - following a sea of them last generation - it's not a great value proposition for $60, and it's not a 90+ Metacritic genre titan like Uncharted 4, which is coming out only a month or so later.
First parties tend to be some of the last Western publishers to let go of smaller projects like this, so I'm not surprised that Microsoft has a lot of low performing entries this generation. Similarly, Infamous, Killzone, Knack, and The Order weren't exactly blowing the roof off the industry, and Nintendo has had a variety of misses as well.
It also helps to be in tune with where the market is, or where it's heading, and your value proposition is going to be scrutinized pretty heavily.
I feel the core difference between Ratchet and Quantum Break is that Ratchet is one of the only high quality 3D platformers we've got in ages and it was being sold at an affordable price.
Quantum Break is one of quite a few cinematic shooters - following a sea of them last generation - it's not a great value proposition for $60, and it's not a 90+ Metacritic genre titan like Uncharted 4, which is coming out only a month or so later.
First parties tend to be some of the last Western publishers to let go of smaller projects like this, so I'm not surprised that Microsoft has a lot of low performing entries this generation. Similarly, Infamous, Killzone, Knack, and The Order weren't exactly blowing the roof off the industry, and Nintendo has had a variety of misses as well.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
The only "Threat" to Quantum break was itself and the system it was on. It basically had the whole month. Hell if I wanna try and talk about "threat's" dark souls 3 was more of a threat to ratchet and clank if anything otherwise no Quantum failed on its own terms
Dash_Riprock
Member
I take great comfort in knowing that by Greenberg's metric, Street Fighter V was a mega-hit.
Mr Greenberg should just stop lying on socials to create success stories that don't exist ^_^''
Got to be tough for MS coming off of last gen where nearly every 360 exclusive was guaranteed to hit 1M in short time, compared to today where bluechip franchises like Halo are not performing anywhere as well as they used to and new IPs like Quantum Break and SSOD falling flat.
Question is, was the 360 a fluke or did they really screw the brand with the Xbox One launch?
Question is, was the 360 a fluke or did they really screw the brand with the Xbox One launch?
LifeBrandRobot
Member
Are there numbers for Ratchet?
Beautiful Ninja
Member
Only the extremely vague >207k and <550k far as I can tell.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Nah 360 was legit until about 2010, thing is Sony screwed up that gen and didn't really take off until 2009, add in that Microsoft didn't expand their market and still to this day heavily rely on Us, their Xbox one launch disaster, not expanding their first party endeavors and Sony being on their A game.
Dirtyshubb
Member
Only in that they didnt capitalise on the PS2 success, otherwise they performed better than the 360 did when launch aligned.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
This is true also, thx for the correction
SneakersSO
Member
Soft reboot? Reboot of what? Again, sales reception of MS software IP is basically a symptom of the audience they have exclusively focused on cultivating this generation. Games in very similar genres are releasing on rival platforms & doing well. If MS does not begin in making honest attempts at broadening the market appeal of the Xbox, then the results will never change. The reason these games did better last generation was specifically because for many years, Xbox had siphoned a segment of audience that was originally Sony's.
You will see some of their software offerings, and their hardware sales, fare far better when MS begins to take their WW market appeal far more seriously than they currently do.
Bioshocker
Member
Yes, absolutely. And I think that Metacritic score is fair (Quantum Break is a 7/10 for me, and I love Alan Wake). But it might have done better on PS4. Like I said: nothing does well on Xbox One. Except GTA V, Call of Duty and a few other big multi plats.
I agree. They're done. They tripped on their own feet before launch and they never recovered. I came to that conclusion last holiday when Halo 5 didn't help much and Rise of the Tomb Raider did absolutely nothing for Xbox One sales (Fallout 4 and CoD killed it). For me, Rise deserved better. I'm not sure Halo 5 and Quantum Break did, though.
CosmicQueso
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Captain Todd's the GOAT
MatrixMan.EXE
Member
If you had said Ratchet will outsell Quantum Break on GAF before yesterday, people would have laughed you out of the thread. Revisionist history and spin is strong up in here.
That's why I think Xbone upgrade a la PS4K may not be happening and they'll go straight to Xbox Two in 2018. Xbox One name is already tarnished.
Releasing games on Steam seems like an obvious first step.
If they have to find someone else to fund their games to make that possible, so be it.
Writing was on the wall. R&C had a lower price, was better reviewed, and tracked much higher on Amazon for the year/month.
demigod
Member
2018? They won't survive that long.
2017 is too soon I feel there won't be a huge leap from PS4K. Also 4 year would be lower than Nintendo game for Wii U lol.
So SF0 could be below 100K if Cod is at 105K?
E3 2013 is still unthinkable. I STILL can't believe just how historically awful the Xbox One unveiling was.
Business classes will be studying it for years and decades to come. Even now, years later, after backpedaling on almost EVERYTHING the Xbox One stood for and giving players almost EVERYTHING they wanted (lower price, no Kinect, backwards compatibility, tons of free games, new IPs, etc.), it's never been enough to overcome that botched unveiling.
That one moment still resonates years and years later and MS is still dealing with the repercussions. I don't imagine we'll ever see anything quite like it again for a good long while.
SneakersSO
Member
Yeah, thats gonna be a really hard sell to the consumer base. Starting up a new generation is not going to fix MS' biggest problem - the lack of audience diversity on their platform, and the lack of WW market appeal of the Xbox brand. They need to fix these two things, and neither of these have to do with the console & the hardware it contains, and everything to do with marketing & PR.
i think they will sell it like a windows 10 box and not call it xbox 2 so as to differentiate themselves from the backlash and still be able to sell a higher powered box as early as 2017
The Division's legs were pretty awful.
Oh wow.
Ah, right.
Quantum Break joins the much-bigger-than-expected group of major console exclusives that couldn't beat, in their first month, the one and only
Oh wow.
The original unveiling was hot garbage. TV, NFL, and that's it. Nice. You could have told people it was just a set top box and it would have been more believable than it actually being the unveiling of a console
Mister Megative
Banned
I don't EVER get the doom and gloom. I apologize for my nonsensical thought pattern
EDIT: I'm exhausted and I can't tell if this is snark or not. Forgive me
Bioshocker
Member
Beats me. After two and a half years as an Xbox 360 owner I had played BioShock, Condemned, Halo 3, Assassin's Creed, Project Gotham Racing 3, Gears of War, Dead Rising, Crackdown... New IPs, new fresh experiences. It felt "next gen". It was an amazing time to be a gamer.
Xbox One isn't terrible, but it lacks an identity. So far I have only really enjoyed Rise of the Tomb Raider. That was a great game (although not without flaws). But Xbox 360 from 2005 to 2010 was a truly great console with so much variety. The games for Xbox One so far have not been close to match what the 360 offered in my opinion.
Bitch Pudding
Member
Guess MS will be the judge of that.
And concerning all the malice Greenberg gets right now, I, too, thought that QB had the potential to become a great new IP, both review- and sales-wise. I was wrong.
FinalStageBoss
Banned
Man Ratchet and Clank was really, really good. Glad it did well.
Welfare
Member
Not asking you in particular, but what's the usual MoM drop for a large March release going into April? A ~90% MoM drop looks terrible.