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Persona Mafia |OT| Memento Mori
- Thread starter CrimsonFist
- Start date
Please reread Ty role post. He should have investigated a townie.
Finally home and done cleaning up the place.
Really thorough work you've done here. Saves me some time too in hunting down specific instances for a few people. Just to clarify, I knew that scum had a chat from reading through the HP game and half of the volcano afterlife one. What I did not know was when they gain access to it. I just assumed it was at game start but Sorian informed me I was wrong. My impression that the first day is hardest came from those two games because it seemed like a lot of grasping at straws for the most part.
Wouldn't it make more sense that he would investigate someone neutral or leaning town? Unless he decided to take a big gamble on night one I would think he would look at someone he thought may be cleared of suspicion, not someone likely to get him killed. Especially when we would have no record of who he investigated.
II-Vanguard-II
Member
That's unlikely sorian was town, ty died cause he investigated a scum, the only way i could see that happening is if style killed sorian and ty got NK'd.
Yeah you guys are right, he would have investigated who he would have thought was Town. My bad.
That was a typo on my part, I mean Style.
II-Vanguard-II
Member
Care to elaborate. even if sorian 100% thought i was scum that wouldn't make it true, he didn't have powers to check me up, therefore making his allegations baseless(which were mostly about me RNG voting anyways, nothing really damning in my eyes).
Michael F. Assbender
Banned
It carries weight to me because we know Sorian was town, and we know he had some damn good reads (which makes sense since he has a reputation as a fantastic player).
He had you read as scum from the start, and gave some insights as to why. Also, at post 592, TheExodu5 says that he thinks Sorian is grasping at straws by voting to lynch him (which makes sense. He's trying to save his own skin).
But then he goes out of his way to say that Sorian also grasped at straws when voting to lynch you. He had no reason to say that, and nothing to back it up with. Just a comment thrown to the wind that means nothing--until you discover that TheExodu5 was scum. Then it makes you wonder why he decided to name drop you like that.
I mean, maybe it means nothing. But I doubt it.
Michael F. Assbender
Banned
For the record, TheExodu5's full quote on the issue is:
"Maybe I'm just not happy about being suspected, but I don't like how Sorian made a big deal about my misuse of the term "bus." Grasping at straws, which is also how he came up with a vote against Vanguard."
Grasping at straws, which is also how he came up with a vote against Vanguard.
Such a strange sentence.
"Maybe I'm just not happy about being suspected, but I don't like how Sorian made a big deal about my misuse of the term "bus." Grasping at straws, which is also how he came up with a vote against Vanguard."
Grasping at straws, which is also how he came up with a vote against Vanguard.
Such a strange sentence.
II-Vanguard-II
Member
i stand by that sorian had nothing to go on me it doesn't matter if he was town or not his read was just gut feeling.
and about TheExodu5 defending me assuming that we were on the same team there was no need for him to do that i wasn't under heavy suspicion only people that were really on me were style and sorian which presented next to no threat.
i suspect he defended me to try and gain my trust which worked to a small extent, not that it matter much now.
Hyperactivity
Banned
Guys, Sorian is no god, and he was making day 1 reads.
Don't treat him like a god just because scum decided that they would prefer not having to read a million and one spam posts every time they entered the thread XD
In any case, I'm back to my computer, will go through my notes in a post soon
Don't treat him like a god just because scum decided that they would prefer not having to read a million and one spam posts every time they entered the thread XD
In any case, I'm back to my computer, will go through my notes in a post soon
Michael F. Assbender
Banned
I'm not saying he did it to draw heat away from you. I think he slipped up and name dropped a friend.
Like when he slipped up and used the term "bus."
Sorian. You were one of the few users who genuinely believed me early on, and that faith genuinely gave me the determination to keep fighting instead of resigning myself to a lynch (i'm dead serious btw).
We'll find the bastards who did this to you. I swear to God, their ass is grass.
Michael F. Assbender
Banned
Sorian. You were one of the few users who genuinely believed me early on, and that faith genuinely gave me the determination to keep fighting instead of resigning myself to a lynch (i'm dead serious btw).
We'll find the bastards who did this to you. I swear to God, their ass is grass.
Well we know one: Style. We know he's either scum or he's town/neutral who admitted to voting to kill Sorian to save himself.
II-Vanguard-II
Member
I really want to know where BlackBuzzard, Matt Attack, StarSketch stand.
can you guys give us your reads?
can you guys give us your reads?
Right. Style is a dead man walking.
We cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot let him slip through our fingers.
Michael F. Assbender
Banned
For the record, PK, I voted to lynch you day one, but after going thru everything during the night phase, I believe I was wrong.
You and FEP are my strongest town reads (I mistakenly said "leaning town" for FEP above). You because you wanted to lynch Style, which got Expdu5 calling you suspicious (and because many of your reads martched mine), and him because he was the first to vote to lynch TheExodu5 and got the ball rolling.
You and FEP are my strongest town reads (I mistakenly said "leaning town" for FEP above). You because you wanted to lynch Style, which got Expdu5 calling you suspicious (and because many of your reads martched mine), and him because he was the first to vote to lynch TheExodu5 and got the ball rolling.
Hyperactivity
Banned
Wait!!! I was told that nobody enjoyed the danganronpa game.
II-Vanguard-II
Member
Really gotta get into that game heard a lot of good things about it.
PS: if anybody tries to spoil it i'll personally see to it that you're lynched.
Hyperactivity
Banned
Alright, so, going through yesterday, there were a few connections to TheExodu5 that I wanted to clear up
I decided I wanted to look into:
1) Style
2) PK Gaming
3) Verelios
4) Starsketch
The first person I looked really into was PK Gaming. To PK's credit, he was the 4th vote on TheExodu5, which makes a strong case for his towniness. The main thing I wanted to know is why TheExodu5 had decided to vote for exmachina64 instead of PK Gaming.
At the time TheExodu5 voted for exmachina64 (Post 819), Plop, exmachina64, and natiko were all voting for PK Gaming. Ty4on had just unvoted PK with this post
which TheExodu5 had definitely seen because he specifically quoted it. TheExodu5 then posts this
________________________________________________________________________
The following was TheExodu5's read list (Page 12)
Going off this reads list alone, it seems to clear StarSketch as an example of an inactive TheExodu5 might have hoped to get lynched for a safe reason (pay attention to which inactives players "happen" to go after and which ones they don't do so to).
The Verelios town read, on its own, reads either like a pocketing attempt or trying to sneak one scum teammate as town
The PK Gaming post was the most disturbing for me, in that it's that exact type of "let me note down a current topic of discussion that's my teammate so I'm not ignoring them but I don't want to actually say anything too strongly against them" sort of play that raises alarms.
Tbf, at this point, far before his vote, TheExodu5 has already clashed with exmachina64 multiple times.
Going back earlier:
If there was anything close to a Style defense pre-reveal, it was this. It again implicates Style, hurts him even more.
PK is again mixed for me, if Style is also scum he's clearly diverting attention away, but decides he doesn't have a strong enough case here. Style being scum would really strongly clear PK for me, as a result.
Ultimately though, I'm pretty sure I trust PK to be town, especially because of this:
It's a pretty strong post against theExodu5, ties him up in votes with exmachina64, and seems pretty crucial.
THUS, barring this post
being some sort of evidence of exmachina64 being PK Gaming's scum teammate that's wary of voting for them, and therefore TheExodu5 voted for exmachina64 over PK Gaming because he thought one would be safer for the future then the other,
I think it's safe to call PK Gaming and exmachina64 cleared, and starsketch possibly cleared. Style is made to look more suspect
I decided I wanted to look into:
1) Style
2) PK Gaming
3) Verelios
4) Starsketch
The first person I looked really into was PK Gaming. To PK's credit, he was the 4th vote on TheExodu5, which makes a strong case for his towniness. The main thing I wanted to know is why TheExodu5 had decided to vote for exmachina64 instead of PK Gaming.
At the time TheExodu5 voted for exmachina64 (Post 819), Plop, exmachina64, and natiko were all voting for PK Gaming. Ty4on had just unvoted PK with this post
which TheExodu5 had definitely seen because he specifically quoted it. TheExodu5 then posts this
________________________________________________________________________
The following was TheExodu5's read list (Page 12)
Going off this reads list alone, it seems to clear StarSketch as an example of an inactive TheExodu5 might have hoped to get lynched for a safe reason (pay attention to which inactives players "happen" to go after and which ones they don't do so to).
The Verelios town read, on its own, reads either like a pocketing attempt or trying to sneak one scum teammate as town
The PK Gaming post was the most disturbing for me, in that it's that exact type of "let me note down a current topic of discussion that's my teammate so I'm not ignoring them but I don't want to actually say anything too strongly against them" sort of play that raises alarms.
Tbf, at this point, far before his vote, TheExodu5 has already clashed with exmachina64 multiple times.
Going back earlier:
If there was anything close to a Style defense pre-reveal, it was this. It again implicates Style, hurts him even more.
PK is again mixed for me, if Style is also scum he's clearly diverting attention away, but decides he doesn't have a strong enough case here. Style being scum would really strongly clear PK for me, as a result.
Ultimately though, I'm pretty sure I trust PK to be town, especially because of this:
There's pretty much no way I'll be able to post my full reads list in time (I'm going to crash, and when I take a nap i'm playing the hell out of Pokemon) but I don't see a problem with posting one section of my reads list + my vote.
18 TheExodu5: I've gotta say, you played an incredibly solid early game. You were active, your logic was sound and you really did give off the "helpful townie" vibe. But nobody can keep up a lie forever and you've been clearly slipping since then. Your recent play has been incredibly scummy, and you overtly tried to save yourself by voting on exmachina64 using some seriously weak ass justification. It's so unlike your earlier posting style which was more reasoned and less nebulous. And you even tried to manipulate us into doing what you want. "I think we hit exmachina?" No, you don't get to tell us what to do. But let me tell what i'm going to do.
VOTE: TheExodu5
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DAMN does it feel good to go on the offensive.
It's a pretty strong post against theExodu5, ties him up in votes with exmachina64, and seems pretty crucial.
THUS, barring this post
being some sort of evidence of exmachina64 being PK Gaming's scum teammate that's wary of voting for them, and therefore TheExodu5 voted for exmachina64 over PK Gaming because he thought one would be safer for the future then the other,
I think it's safe to call PK Gaming and exmachina64 cleared, and starsketch possibly cleared. Style is made to look more suspect
Hyperactivity
Banned
Doesn't mean it didn't get HEATED XD
Season 3 and 4 were the ultimate in being total clusterfucks that were too much fun
Hyperactivity
Banned
Verelios said this in regards to the vote
To his credit, he voted for scum, and I can't necessarily discount its timing because at most Flux voted at 2:59 and he and 3:00
That being said, it's entirely possible he saw Flux's vote, and decided not to end up looking like he didn't want scum lynched.
In total, when it comes to noted interactions between the two, Verelios was hesitant to vote for TheExodu5 but also, if he IS scum, hesitant to save him (despite the fact that at that point I was planning to use my vote as a tie-breaker and likely would've only voted TheExodu5 had Flux tied it up again). TheExodu5 town read Verelios, but that could just as well be a pocket attempt (gain the trust of a townie).
So, barring an exmachina64 + TheExodu5 team, I'm going to town read Verelios
In addition, from the vote, I'm going to town read Flux, as he took the deciding vote against theExodu5. Again, on the condition that exmachina64 isn't scum, but I doubt it
So lets take a look at what could have gotten Ty4on killed. He likely would have investigated someone he didn't suspect of being scum due to the risk of being killed. That's something you would only expect him to do after a role reveal when he would know his death is imminent regardless. This leaves us with the following two lists (edited slightly to remove the dead):
FIRST
Leaning Town
Matt Attack
Nakito
Style
exmachina64
Verelios
Null
11037
BlackBuzzard
Vanguard
WhereAreMahDragonz
Zippedpinhead
SECOND
Somewhat town
Nakito
exmachina64
Verelios
Less town
Matt Attack
Style
WhereAreMahDragonz
Zippedpinhead
FluxWaveZ
Null
11037
BlackBuzzard
Vanguard
Hyperactivity
As we can see from the lists, two people were upgraded from null to less town WhereAreMahDragonz and Zippedpinhead. I could be overthinking it but to me this would make them more likely to be investigated by him. His opinion of them was on the rise, but he wasnt completely certain. Something to keep in mind.
One of Ty4on's last posts was directed towards Sorian asking who he thought a town flip would be useful on and he named Vanguard and franconp here.
Now after this post we learned that Exodu5 was scum (one of the people Sorian was tying to Vanguard). Would Ty4on have investigated Vanguard after this connection was pointed out to him? I'm inclined to say no. This does not clear Vanguard, but I don't think he is to blame for Ty4on's death. He had also already listed franconp as a strong town read, so I doubt he would go that route.
Here he states that the Exodu5 lynch will give a better idea of Sorian, PK, exmachina and Style. He specifically states this will clear Sorian in his mind so we can exclude him (though we know he is town and dead so safe to say this wasnt the route he went). We already know he strongly suspected PK Gaming. This leaves exmachina and Style. He most likely would have stayed away from Style due to all the fuckery at the day end. With the fight between exmachina64 and exodu5 I suspect he would not have wanted to spend it on exmachina64 who was already a step higher in his rankings at this point.
Now I know he didnt investigate me, so between that and exmachina64 being unlikely I doubt he would pick the only other person in the somewhat town list so that clears Verelios in all likelihood.
I frankly believe he would have likely investigated someone remaining from the Less Town list which then are a lot of danger in investigating Hyper or BB who have been linked together already. Exodu5 gave a full town read to 11037 as well so I doubt he is scum as that might be too on the nose.
This leaves us with:
Less town
Matt Attack
WhereAreMahDragonz
Zippedpinhead
FluxWaveZ
Now here is what TheExodu5 had to say on our remaining players.
There has been a fair amount of suspicion lobbied at Vanguard, Style, BlackBuzzard, and Hyper as well. Here are thoughts on them from Exodu5:
My final conclusion is one of these three is scum Matt Attack, Zippedpinhead, or WhereAreMahDragonz. I dont think Flux is scum at this point because his wishy washy attitude at the day end would have been a big give away if he was.
I also believe the following are scum:
BlackBuzzard. This one is obvious and a lot of people have suspected him throughout.
Vanguard Again, another person with a lot of suspicion levied their way. Sorian also suspected him.
HyperActivity He helped lynch TheExodu5 but at the same time has defended BB and Vanguard. Perhaps as someone with a good amount of experience he directed our best town player to be killed and is now hoping to steer our discussion and serve as the best town all while being scum and defending his teammates. Maybe I'm off on this but his repeated defense of people that look increasingly scummy is very suspect.
I dont think Style is actually scum at this point. I think hes just an excessively stupid town or even a neutral. Should probably be lynched regardless just to be safe. RIP Sorian.
You'll notice if you reference Exodu5's thoughts above that the list I came up with all got varied reads from him, something I imagine scum would do when giving a fake reads list. You wouldn't want to clump all your teammates in as the same read.
Hopefully this wasnt too rambly. Just wanted to get my thoughts out there.
TLDR;
Scum
HyperActivity
BlackBuzzard
II-Vanguard-II
One is Scum and Killed Ty4on
Matt Attack
Zippedpinhead
WhereAreMahDragonz
Not Sure but Failed Us So Fuck Em
Style
FIRST
Leaning Town
Matt Attack
Nakito
Style
exmachina64
Verelios
Null
11037
BlackBuzzard
Vanguard
WhereAreMahDragonz
Zippedpinhead
SECOND
Somewhat town
Nakito
exmachina64
Verelios
Less town
Matt Attack
Style
WhereAreMahDragonz
Zippedpinhead
FluxWaveZ
Null
11037
BlackBuzzard
Vanguard
Hyperactivity
As we can see from the lists, two people were upgraded from null to less town WhereAreMahDragonz and Zippedpinhead. I could be overthinking it but to me this would make them more likely to be investigated by him. His opinion of them was on the rise, but he wasnt completely certain. Something to keep in mind.
One of Ty4on's last posts was directed towards Sorian asking who he thought a town flip would be useful on and he named Vanguard and franconp here.
Now after this post we learned that Exodu5 was scum (one of the people Sorian was tying to Vanguard). Would Ty4on have investigated Vanguard after this connection was pointed out to him? I'm inclined to say no. This does not clear Vanguard, but I don't think he is to blame for Ty4on's death. He had also already listed franconp as a strong town read, so I doubt he would go that route.
Here he states that the Exodu5 lynch will give a better idea of Sorian, PK, exmachina and Style. He specifically states this will clear Sorian in his mind so we can exclude him (though we know he is town and dead so safe to say this wasnt the route he went). We already know he strongly suspected PK Gaming. This leaves exmachina and Style. He most likely would have stayed away from Style due to all the fuckery at the day end. With the fight between exmachina64 and exodu5 I suspect he would not have wanted to spend it on exmachina64 who was already a step higher in his rankings at this point.
Now I know he didnt investigate me, so between that and exmachina64 being unlikely I doubt he would pick the only other person in the somewhat town list so that clears Verelios in all likelihood.
I frankly believe he would have likely investigated someone remaining from the Less Town list which then are a lot of danger in investigating Hyper or BB who have been linked together already. Exodu5 gave a full town read to 11037 as well so I doubt he is scum as that might be too on the nose.
This leaves us with:
Less town
Matt Attack
WhereAreMahDragonz
Zippedpinhead
FluxWaveZ
Now here is what TheExodu5 had to say on our remaining players.
I believe one of these four is the reason Ty4on is dead. At least one of these is scum (I think only one). Why? Well lets get to that..
There has been a fair amount of suspicion lobbied at Vanguard, Style, BlackBuzzard, and Hyper as well. Here are thoughts on them from Exodu5:
Where does this all lead us?
My final conclusion is one of these three is scum Matt Attack, Zippedpinhead, or WhereAreMahDragonz. I dont think Flux is scum at this point because his wishy washy attitude at the day end would have been a big give away if he was.
I also believe the following are scum:
BlackBuzzard. This one is obvious and a lot of people have suspected him throughout.
Vanguard Again, another person with a lot of suspicion levied their way. Sorian also suspected him.
HyperActivity He helped lynch TheExodu5 but at the same time has defended BB and Vanguard. Perhaps as someone with a good amount of experience he directed our best town player to be killed and is now hoping to steer our discussion and serve as the best town all while being scum and defending his teammates. Maybe I'm off on this but his repeated defense of people that look increasingly scummy is very suspect.
I dont think Style is actually scum at this point. I think hes just an excessively stupid town or even a neutral. Should probably be lynched regardless just to be safe. RIP Sorian.
You'll notice if you reference Exodu5's thoughts above that the list I came up with all got varied reads from him, something I imagine scum would do when giving a fake reads list. You wouldn't want to clump all your teammates in as the same read.
Hopefully this wasnt too rambly. Just wanted to get my thoughts out there.
TLDR;
Scum
HyperActivity
BlackBuzzard
II-Vanguard-II
One is Scum and Killed Ty4on
Matt Attack
Zippedpinhead
WhereAreMahDragonz
Not Sure but Failed Us So Fuck Em
Style
Hyperactivity
Banned
These players, plus 11037, did not vote for TheExodu5.
While bussing is very much a thing, 2 of the players who voted for TheExodu5 are dead, 1, 2, or 3 (Flux, Hyper, verelios???) voted to have TheExodu5 lynched when it came down to it, FEP was the first one to vote for him (long con, I could see this as suspicious), exmachina was voting for self-preservation, and PK Gaming voted to tie the vote up.
I wouldn't actually be too surprised if everyone in that list is town, although I can see reasonable doubt being thrown towards some of us, the fact of the matter is, scum had a choice between thinning one crowd or the other down, and they clearly chose to thin the crowd that voted for TheExodu5. If someone was bussing in this group, their days should hopefully be limited.
________________________________________________________________________
exmachina64's voters:
1) TheExodu5 - self-explanatory
2) starsketch - based on previous theexodu5 read, and the post where she voted, along with the context that she seemed mostly disconnected from the thread, I'm still town-reading her.
3) il-vanguard-il - made into a suspect by vote
4) franconp - made into a suspect by vote, was already personally scum reading
5) Style - made into more of a suspect by vote, was already a MAJOR suspect, also had TheExodu5 seemingly defend him and make a wishywashy scum read of him
StarSketch
Banned
Style probably is scum. Probably. It's totally possible that Ty4on scanned someone else and hit scum but we have no way of knowing.
I know when I had a similar role in Price is Right, I checked the people I was suspicious of and hoped my team would get the message when I died.
I know when I had a similar role in Price is Right, I checked the people I was suspicious of and hoped my team would get the message when I died.
they didn't
Hyperactivity
Banned
Well for one, I just generally get a town read from SS, I think PK described the reason why well earlier
The other thing to note is that there are going to be multiple inactives that are and aren't going to be brought up throughout the game. My summarized version of why I thought TheExodu5 felt scummy was that it was similar to what I described when I originally voted for exmachina64: it felt like TheExodu5 was looking for a suitable candidate and reason to vote for someone.
In his read of SS, you could copy and paste that with a few changes to make ANY inactive look like scum, and by bringing SS specifically up he brings her to the forefront of attention. I've seen inactives get away and skirt by posting much and inactives become the center of a lynching discussion, and it typically depends on if their name is brought up enough times or not. His read feels less like an analysis of her behavior so much as:
"Ok, SS is an inactive, probably safe to scum read as others are doing it, now let me make her sound more scummy than she actually is, exaggerate my posts, etc."
He's more crafting a narrative for a possible vote on SS, and that definitely doesn't feel like something one scum buddy would do to another,
Hyperactivity
Banned
I'm just gonna say, outside of character for a second:
A scum Hyper going for a Sorian N1 kill would be so characteristic of me it would be funny XD hahahaha
I've only done that in every game Sorian and I were in together as scum (Election, Final Fantasy)
A scum Hyper going for a Sorian N1 kill would be so characteristic of me it would be funny XD hahahaha
I've only done that in every game Sorian and I were in together as scum (Election, Final Fantasy)
Michael F. Assbender
Banned
Very good read.
I'd like to mention I've been having similar thoughts about Hyperactivity since day two started. Steering narrative and being so quick to let Style try to explain his actions. Just smells funny.
Hyperactivity
Banned
Alrighty then, updated reads list (sorta ordered top to bottom but sometimes equal too):
Pretty sure are town
Hyperactivity (I think???)
exmachina64
PK Gaming
Verelios
FluxwaveZ
plop
Sorian
Ty4on
Townie vibes
Starsketch
Blackbuzzard
Natiko
Null
WAMD
Matt Attack
Zippedpinhead
Slight scummy vibes
il-vanguard-il
11037 (?? - definitely need to double check this one)
BAD scummy vibes
Style
franconp
I feel decently confident in this list, so it looks like I'll be looking at franconp and il-vanguard-il next
Pretty sure are town
Hyperactivity (I think???)
exmachina64
PK Gaming
Verelios
FluxwaveZ
plop
Sorian
Ty4on
Townie vibes
Starsketch
Blackbuzzard
Natiko
Null
WAMD
Matt Attack
Zippedpinhead
Slight scummy vibes
il-vanguard-il
11037 (?? - definitely need to double check this one)
BAD scummy vibes
Style
franconp
I feel decently confident in this list, so it looks like I'll be looking at franconp and il-vanguard-il next
Michael F. Assbender
Banned
To clarify my above post: By "letting Style explain his actions," I guess I more meant kind of hand waving away what happened with a "we're probably going to have to lynch you" before just moving on to name other possible scum suspects.
Michael F. Assbender
Banned
That scum list doesn't alleviate any of my doubts. Outside of franconp, everyone on that list is a safe and obvious choice (in my opinion).
Hyperactivity
Banned
Hahahahahahaha like I'm not going to somehow vote Style hahahahaha
Get out of here, the Style lynch is so obvious and mandatory at this point that I get no reads out of it one way or the other, I just want time to post my thoughts and work things out cause I think I might get NK'ed relatively early on.
Don't remember defending vanguard.
DO remember defending BB, but you're going to have to make your case for why BB is scummy again, thank you very much. (And sorry to say, but him being inactive isn't good enough, unless you'd like me to go through and find every game with inactives that people convinced themselves of being scum before flip revealed that they were town that just NEVER posted)
I'm sorry, but if you're going to say:
is an argument for why I look scummy, you'll first have to make a thorough argument of why those people look scummy, then show where any defense was occurring, then prove why this specific instance of a difference in opinion is somehow actual cause for someone to look scummy (because again, difference of opinion != scum)
In any case, I think yesterday's vote was FAR more useful in the number of people in seemingly cleared, rather than the number of people seemingly implicated
I'm the safest choice.
Michael F. Assbender
Banned
As scum? I don't personally suspect you. But I can see why someone wanting to lynch you would try to make the case.
If you think about the exchange between Sorian and Ty and the reads Ty said he had about me it would be logical to think he investigated me. So I would be the most obvious. But I'm town and don't have anything to lose so I don't care. If I'm lynched to town benefit so be it. It won't be the first time.
Hyperactivity
Banned
I'm sorry, was there a discussion to be had regarding style's lynch? If someone wants to defend him, than they can be my guess, but I think regardless of even the evidence that's against him his claim alone makes it such that we have to lynch him today
Tell me why I should have more than 4 people on a possible scum list? The vast majority of the players are going to be town, and in this case I find it more productive to eliminate the people I think are safely not-scum.
Or do you want me to go with "controversial" picks for shits and giggles? Of the 3 I feel comfortable as labeling as scum, 1 of them is according to you, "unconventional". So asides from the obvious Style, 1 of my picks is conventional and 1 is unconventional.
No thank you, I'm going to stick to getting the easy points before I tackle the harder ones, the day just began and that's just my first read list for the day.
THANK YOU!!!!
I enjoyed it. Always fun talking about *redacted*
It's not so bad if you learn to cope with the ending
*ghosts.. oh, death message
*smoke*
Michael F. Assbender
Banned
Exactly. You were Robin to Sorian's Batman, IMO.
Watch I'm wrong and you're king scum and I look like a total jackass at the end of it all.
I need to go to sleep. My thoughts are all jumbled after getting two deaths and one of them being Sorian (an extremely obvious choice, but I figured maybe too obvious).
Sorian died because he was dangerous. Killing him either prevented him from exposing someone, or was in retaliation for already exposing someone (or several people).
Would the mafia be so bold as to kill him after he named correct suspects? They'd know we could just look at his suspect list and work from there.
At the same time, maybe he had named one name too many and had to be killed before he figured out the rest.
That's one reason I heavily suspect Vanguard. Sorian was on him from day one. I think the fact that Sorian was so adamant about Vanguard (and perhaps someone else), and/or he looked like he might be on the right track with others meant he had to be silenced now.
You are welcomed!!!
How can I prove you that I'm town (beside flipping of course).
He is not saying I killed Sorian but Ty died because of me.
Michael F. Assbender
Banned
Fair enough.
It's not a matter of having more players on your list. It's just your list is populated by mostly people who are on everyone's list. They're likely to be lynched at some point, so any scum can throw them on their list to look like they're with the rest of us.
I suppose it's a "damned if you do, damned if you don't," but combine that the fact that I already has some suspicions of you, and you get what I posted there.
PS - Any chance you'd explain why you're getting town vibes from BlackBuzzard?
My scum read on him (or at least the ones jumping to mind) are:
He's had 18 total posts thru all of day one, yet he's called on other people to post more often.
And Exodu5 moved a vote away from BlackBuzzard to PK Gaming for PK's lack of posting, which always struck me as odd because at that point, Buzzard had only posted 8 times. Why vote for PK due to lack of voting when Buzzard was a worse offender?
And a general lack of really saying much when he does post. He's coasting by out of the spotlight, which is where shadows like to hide.
Michael F. Assbender
Banned
Sorry, Buzzard had posted 6 times in total by that point**
Hyperactivity
Banned
TheExodu5 moving vote thing I can admit looks strange, didn't see that
Everything else though? I've seen it before. Coasting and inactivity really isn't that sure of a sign of scum. I thought he was town because it seemed like while he was here he WAS making genuine effort, so even if I don't think it translates to too much, it makes me feel townie about him. But idk, my read on him really isn't that strong
Everything else though? I've seen it before. Coasting and inactivity really isn't that sure of a sign of scum. I thought he was town because it seemed like while he was here he WAS making genuine effort, so even if I don't think it translates to too much, it makes me feel townie about him. But idk, my read on him really isn't that strong
Hyperactivity
Banned
Actually, yeah, plop, I'm seeing a disturbing trend where you seem to conflate activity and spotlight with towniness and inactivity and coasting with scumminess
Here's a totally bs statement that will make franconp, an active player, look bad: iirc, between all the games franconp has played he was most active and into it when he was scum in Animal Crossing.
High activity and contribution is good because when a player gives more posts, they're more likely to slip up AND they help the town as a whole contribute. But Flux and Sorian and I and most other active players are probably going to be just as active as scum. The reason why giving more is townie is because it means you're more likely to slip up, which in turn REQUIRES that the activity itself not clear you so much as actually looking at their posts
At the same time, there have been so many examples of inactive townies it actually hurts, so I'm going to trust that one of the other vets you trust will back me up on this
Here's a totally bs statement that will make franconp, an active player, look bad: iirc, between all the games franconp has played he was most active and into it when he was scum in Animal Crossing.
High activity and contribution is good because when a player gives more posts, they're more likely to slip up AND they help the town as a whole contribute. But Flux and Sorian and I and most other active players are probably going to be just as active as scum. The reason why giving more is townie is because it means you're more likely to slip up, which in turn REQUIRES that the activity itself not clear you so much as actually looking at their posts
At the same time, there have been so many examples of inactive townies it actually hurts, so I'm going to trust that one of the other vets you trust will back me up on this
I was way more active in Overwatch than in animal crossing:
Overwatch: 212 posts
Animal crossing: 104 posts
And you should reread AC, I played very low key even after roleclaiming cop.