metareferential
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Hazaro said:
Thank you guys.
What about a new case? I've never really cared about noise really, but since the new rig is serving as a media hub now in a home theatre, it's time to shut its mouth xD
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Thank you guys.
What about a new case? I've never really cared about noise really, but since the new rig is serving as a media hub now in a home theatre, it's time to shut its mouth xD
akmcbroom said:have you had RAID 10 problems on consumer mobo's? I've only run it on server hardware
Back in the day...yes, indeed. Perhaps it's a side effect of first generation consumer RAID...but yeah...tons of problems. I'm the same as you...server hardware. Although I invested in a Synology DS411+ last year and I could not be happier.
The main reason you want a nice dedicated card is because they have built-in CPU/RAM to increase your RAID performance. Built-in RAID does not - it uses your host systems resources to handle the RAID. That's fine when you are looking at two drives or whatever...but go beyond that and you will see some diminishing returns unless you get a good card with it's own processing power.
Quicksilver4648
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Hawk269 said:
It ultimately depends on how much you want to spend. Assuming your motherboard supports DDR3 RAM almost anything from this list should work. The prices fluctuate depending on the brand, if it is the newest model, voltage, and what speed.
Edit: Also, check to see what voltage of RAM your motherboard supports. My P8P67 Pro supports 1.5v but RAM can range from 1.3v to 1.7v.
I personally bought these as they are the lowest speed my motherboard supports and don't have any extra unnecessary structures to displace heat.
black_vegeta
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Will do, thanks once again.sk3tch said:
I'm not a fan of RAID 1 either. If you want a secure backup method run a backup, not a RAID. RAID1 still depends on the RAID controller which can fail and kill your access to the data. Off-site is best, off-computer is also much better. My important stuff is backed up to a secondary drive, a NAS box and a cloud storage service. Less important stuff is just backed up to a secondary drive. RAID0 also won't help improve the terrible access times of HDDs no matter how many you use. You're probably better off not cutting your capacity in half in order to see gains in throughput that won't really improve the snapiness of your system anyways. Of course if you're frequently moving large files it would be worth it.
Shambles said:
I hear you - but that also assumes people are using RAID 1 as backup. I'm just using it as insurance - against data loss (and I don't mean critical files, I mean the time it would take me to reinstall Win7, reinstall Steam games, etc.) and downtime. I don't expect any of my files on my PC to last. I have the same strategy as you: PC > NAS > Cloud.
sk3tch said:Back in the day...yes, indeed. Perhaps it's a side effect of first generation consumer RAID...but yeah...tons of problems. I'm the same as you...server hardware. Although I invested in a Synology DS411+ last year and I could not be happier.
The main reason you want a nice dedicated card is because they have built-in CPU/RAM to increase your RAID performance. Built-in RAID does not - it uses your host systems resources to handle the RAID. That's fine when you are looking at two drives or whatever...but go beyond that and you will see some diminishing returns unless you get a good card with it's own processing power.
Don't I know this, nothing like having I/O problems with your SANS.
You must love the DS. You running iSCSI? or just as a NAS box?
Would be interesting to test RAID 10 on my p8p67 pro, just to see how it performs.
akmcbroom said:
Nah, just a NAS box. But I basically used this one box to replace a full rack of older servers in my basement. Just nice to consolidate now that I'm getting a bit older and not having as much time to tinker.
I imagine RAID10 would probably perform pretty well considering all the power the Sandy Bridge i5/i7s have...but it'd still be better to have that dedicated card. Especially if you don't want your RAID cutting into your FPS results.
Hazaro said:
Yeah, as things shake out with the latest round of SSDs I will probably pick one up for my OS drive (it is what I am doing with my MacBook Pro). I think we'll have mechanical hard drives in RAID for quite some time. After all -
Redundant
Array of
Inexpensive
Disks
SSD doesn't apply.
Vincent Alexander
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OKay, so here is my computer so far I'm building for a friend. I'm always paranoid I've got something that doesn't fit/work together. Really, my biggest worry is the 500W power supply. Will that be enough? I haven't settled on a graphics card yet, but it won't be anything crazy (no SLI or Crossfire). I don't want to spend over $150 more. Maybe something like a 5770.
Vincent Alexander
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My friend says it's main focus isn't for gaming, but would like if it could on the side. He doesn't play FPS too much---likes RTS games and he'll want to play Diablo 3. He wants to build a PC so he can use some program called Bible Logos Software, which he claims can take up a lot of memory like Adobe Photoshop. However, I highly doubt that. I said screw it though and decided to take his word for it.scogoth said:
Buying a 5770 over a GTX 460 is a bit like buying a GTS 450 over a 5770. You don't really want to do either. 768MB 460s can be had for cheap if you look around. A non-SE 1GB 460 would be preferable. As would an HD 6850. You should be able to find sales and rebates on all three that would put them within your budget range.Vincent Alexander said:
Generally, you don't want to buy a case with a PSU included. There are exceptions, but in most cases, the PSUs are low grade, or mid-range at best. You can cut the motherboard down to a GD55 or lower, switch the HDD to a $60 Samsung F3 1TB, or drop to 4GB. Any of those money saving measures would be preferable to cutting corners on your PSU, and buying a case with poor airflow.
Vincent Alexander
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Thanks for all the feedback! I was originally thinking of buying this case, since it doesn't come with a PSU. Based off feedback, I think that's what I'm back to.
Ultra E-Torque ATX Mid-Tower Case
Ultra E-Torque ATX Mid-Tower Case
If you can, it's best to avoid cases with open air top-mounted PSU locations, unless it's a lower-spec PC that doesn't generate a lot of heat.
How about something like these two?
$40 - NZXT Beta Evo
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B002OEBILA/?tag=neogaf0e-20
http://www.directron.com/ntbetaevo.html?gsear=1
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=10011758
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiXDgIMZ1sk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lp_McihazXk
$45 - Cooler Master Elite 430
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0339423
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B003O8J11E/?tag=neogaf0e-20
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119227&Tpk=elite 430
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1Zg55z_ANs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9pCuZl2VA0
How about something like these two?
$40 - NZXT Beta Evo
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B002OEBILA/?tag=neogaf0e-20
http://www.directron.com/ntbetaevo.html?gsear=1
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=10011758
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiXDgIMZ1sk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lp_McihazXk
$45 - Cooler Master Elite 430
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0339423
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B003O8J11E/?tag=neogaf0e-20
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119227&Tpk=elite 430
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1Zg55z_ANs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9pCuZl2VA0
Vincent Alexander
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Thanks. Those both look great. I especially love the first one. I'll forward them on to my friend, see which he prefers, then post the updated rig tomorrow. Thanks again.·feist· said:
Kevin said:
Nope. Have to be same exact cards.
IonicSnake
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I'm having a little problem with Realtek HD Audio Manager. If I plug in the headphone in the rear speaker out jack I can't retask it to headphones but if I plug it in to the Front speaker out I can. I was thinking maybe it's the motherboard but when I plug it in it detects it but I can't change anything except the front speaker jack in Audio Manager. My motherboard is the Asus P8P67, anyone else with this motherboard having this problem?
Since some are still confusing LGA 2011 with Ivy Bridge for whatever reason, here's another supposedly legit leaked slide that may help clarify things a bit more.
Intel ® X79 Express Chipset & Desktop Chipset: Roadmap
So instead of X58 giving way to "X68," or "X69," looks like it may be "X79." Assuming these are real, they fall in line with expectations and known/leaked/rumored specs. The heavy SATA and SAS slant is perfect for the type of workstations and servers that some of these will end up in.
With triple-channel nowhere to be found with any of the 6- and 8-core engineering samples, we'll just have to see which boards end up with 8 DIMM quad, and which get 4 DIMM quad.
Any of us can assist you with picking a PSU, if you need help getting that sorted.
Intel ® X79 Express Chipset & Desktop Chipset: Roadmap
So instead of X58 giving way to "X68," or "X69," looks like it may be "X79." Assuming these are real, they fall in line with expectations and known/leaked/rumored specs. The heavy SATA and SAS slant is perfect for the type of workstations and servers that some of these will end up in.
With triple-channel nowhere to be found with any of the 6- and 8-core engineering samples, we'll just have to see which boards end up with 8 DIMM quad, and which get 4 DIMM quad.
You're welcome. You should be able to pick up a solid 500w PSU for $40-70 or so. It'd be good to get an 80 Plus Bronze rated unit, so that'll likely be closer to the $70 end of the spectrum. For roughly $20-40 more than that original Rosewill case with included PSU, you'll get much better options separately. He can always make up the difference by looking into any of the cost cuts I mentioned before.Vincent Alexander said:
Any of us can assist you with picking a PSU, if you need help getting that sorted.
Vincent Alexander - if he's not going to extreme overclock or do any crazy tweaking, look at some of the other MSI motherboards that are around $30 cheaper (but have the same features, in general) - such as the P67A-GD55 or P67A-GD53 (I have this one and love it - $150). It isn't much - but it's more money you can put towards a quality PSU/case (which are the parts that your friend is most likely to re-use in future builds). You can still OC very well with these boards, but they just lack a few bells/whistles (a couple fewer SATA ports, no firewire, etc.).
Bumping my question about my problems when overclocking.JackEtc said:
JackEtc said:
That's a tough one to diagnose via forum posts. I have had the "no video" problem occur and usually it's due to an unhappy video card (although sometimes it's as easy as removing the DVI cable and re-connecting). I would run your setup at stock for a while and see if it occurs. Remember - you're just starting out with your new PC. Feel free to enjoy it and go crazy and OC right away...but if you're not comfortable or having problems, keep it stock. You can learn as you go and when you feel more comfortable you can try to manually overclock using the BIOS. Read up online and watch some videos, etc. so you can make more educated OC attempts.
YuriLowell
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Aww yeah gtx 580 incoming.
Gonna hold off until the next generation of intel processors, or see how the AMD bulldozer stuff performs.
Gonna hold off until the next generation of intel processors, or see how the AMD bulldozer stuff performs.
bee
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new nvidia drivers out 270.51
small increase in performance in dragon age 2 if anyone plays that with nvidia
impressed with the gains in 3D vision surround, hoping to try it real soon
http://www.nvidia.co.uk/object/win7-winvista-64bit-270.51-beta-driver-uk.html
small increase in performance in dragon age 2 if anyone plays that with nvidia
impressed with the gains in 3D vision surround, hoping to try it real soon
http://www.nvidia.co.uk/object/win7-winvista-64bit-270.51-beta-driver-uk.html
I just built this rig recently:
Cooler Master HAF 932 Case
Corsair 750TX PSU
i7-870 @ 2.9GHz with a Thermaltake Frio Heatsink
EVGA P55 SLI motherboard
EVGA GTX 460 1GB
The rest are just leftover parts I had around such as the HDD's and the memory which is some old samsung memory I had laying around which Im not sure what speed it is but here is the CPU-Z page:
Later this year I will probably look to upgrade the memory and the video to the:
GTX 590
or something similar and I just want to make sure there is nothing that would be a bottleneck for it in terms of the CPU or memory and Im not too sure how the bus speeds work and should be set between the CPU and Memory.
Cooler Master HAF 932 Case
Corsair 750TX PSU
i7-870 @ 2.9GHz with a Thermaltake Frio Heatsink
EVGA P55 SLI motherboard
EVGA GTX 460 1GB
The rest are just leftover parts I had around such as the HDD's and the memory which is some old samsung memory I had laying around which Im not sure what speed it is but here is the CPU-Z page:
Later this year I will probably look to upgrade the memory and the video to the:
GTX 590
or something similar and I just want to make sure there is nothing that would be a bottleneck for it in terms of the CPU or memory and Im not too sure how the bus speeds work and should be set between the CPU and Memory.
So after all of my hooting and hollering yesterday about my MSI 6950 > Sparkle 6970 bios flash working (using these instructions: linky)...I had graphical corruption after an hour or so (the small "sparkles" throughout the screen) while just browsing and such (interestingly enough, not while gaming). So I rolled back and updated a few times until I found a BIOS that worked. I don't know if I was getting weird BIOS or what (I got them from techpowerup.com) but until I grabbed an ASUS 6950 shader unlock bios I had nothing but problems (unless I was stock 6950). So far, so good with this one - all morning and no sparkles and I'm overclocked to 860/1350 (stock 6970 is 880/1375). Which is bizarre - because the 6970 bios I was clocked down to stock 6950 (800/1250) and the sparkles still came. Must be something with that 6970 bios my card doesn't like.
To make this all even stranger, when I first received the card I only did the 6950 shader unlocked bios (using these instructions: linky)...but that was giving me sparkles. So it must have been this ASUS 6950 shader unlocked bios that was "magic" for me.
Anyway, I've hosted this bios file just in case you guys wanna give it a whirl. I am loving it especially since you can use ASUS SmartDoctor with Vcore adjustments and "Overclocking range enhancement" - aka higher overclock capabilities (the other ones limit you).
asus_6950_unlocked_shaders.bin (128 KB)
I had to use atiwinflash via the command-line (as administrator) to successfully implement it ("atiwinflash -unlockrom 0", then "atiwinflash -f -p 0 asus_6950_unlocked_shaders.bin").
I'll update if anything goes wonky...but I've never had it this solid before (EDIT: other than stock :-D).
To make this all even stranger, when I first received the card I only did the 6950 shader unlocked bios (using these instructions: linky)...but that was giving me sparkles. So it must have been this ASUS 6950 shader unlocked bios that was "magic" for me.
Anyway, I've hosted this bios file just in case you guys wanna give it a whirl. I am loving it especially since you can use ASUS SmartDoctor with Vcore adjustments and "Overclocking range enhancement" - aka higher overclock capabilities (the other ones limit you).
asus_6950_unlocked_shaders.bin (128 KB)
I had to use atiwinflash via the command-line (as administrator) to successfully implement it ("atiwinflash -unlockrom 0", then "atiwinflash -f -p 0 asus_6950_unlocked_shaders.bin").
I'll update if anything goes wonky...but I've never had it this solid before (EDIT: other than stock :-D).
fizzelopeguss
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Fucking hell, i don't i've ever seen that before.
You know, sk3tch, you can just extract the bios from your own card and unlock the shaders on it. People on techpowerup has made a script that unlocks the shaders on your bios. Simply:
Script: http://www.techpowerup.com/wizzard/Mod_BIOS_HD_6950.zip
1. extract your bios via atiflash
2. copy the now extracted original bios and rename it "modded" or something (the script tells you what you have to call it)
3. run the script and unlock the shaders on your copied bios
4. flash your gpu with the unlocked shaders original bios.
But if your ASUS bios works properly, you might not need the above.
Script: http://www.techpowerup.com/wizzard/Mod_BIOS_HD_6950.zip
1. extract your bios via atiflash
2. copy the now extracted original bios and rename it "modded" or something (the script tells you what you have to call it)
3. run the script and unlock the shaders on your copied bios
4. flash your gpu with the unlocked shaders original bios.
But if your ASUS bios works properly, you might not need the above.
My last computer was given to me, so I'm happy for what I have. That being said, I was choking in WoW last night. Bad. Like, less than 1 FPS in BWD.
Win XP, 2 gig of RAM, AMD 4600 Dual Core, ect. I know...I know...old tech. Anyway, I had an 8600. It was causing my PC to lock up and randomly restart so I had to switch back to my still older x1900xt. It's terribad. Since the best tech 2006 has to offer isn't really cutting it anymore, I need a stop gap on a budget solution to let me play WoW for the meantime until I can build something real later this year.
On my PC forum, someone is selling an XFX HD5770 for about $90-$100. I'm thinking of jumping on it. WoW is probably the most intensive game I play so, I don't need a something top end right now. Just trying to bide my time until I can build my Diablo 3 PC this summer.
I guess...I don't know, good price? I'm assuming yes. Just leery about buying used PC gear from a stranger on the internet. He does have all positive Heatware.
Win XP, 2 gig of RAM, AMD 4600 Dual Core, ect. I know...I know...old tech. Anyway, I had an 8600. It was causing my PC to lock up and randomly restart so I had to switch back to my still older x1900xt. It's terribad. Since the best tech 2006 has to offer isn't really cutting it anymore, I need a stop gap on a budget solution to let me play WoW for the meantime until I can build something real later this year.
On my PC forum, someone is selling an XFX HD5770 for about $90-$100. I'm thinking of jumping on it. WoW is probably the most intensive game I play so, I don't need a something top end right now. Just trying to bide my time until I can build my Diablo 3 PC this summer.
I guess...I don't know, good price? I'm assuming yes. Just leery about buying used PC gear from a stranger on the internet. He does have all positive Heatware.
Lime said:
Believe it or not, I tried that, too - I used my MSI bios and unlocked just the shaders...sparkle up. It makes no sense. I just ran Furmark for 15 minutes (again) right after my post above and I'm still sparkle free. I wonder if it's the CCC AMD Overdrive setting of 20% under "Power Control" that did it? Because before I flashed, rebooted, installed ASUS SmartDoctor, rebooted, uninstalled ASUS SmartDoctor (after setting "Overclocking range enhancement" to unlock it in the Registry for CCC AMD Overdrive), and then proceeded to use CCC AMD Overdrive to manage the OC/etc. Now that I've stuck with ASUS SmartDoctor I've been rollin' smoooth. I am not going to argue. Perhaps my $250 card will go belly up tomorrow...heh. The risks you take to get an extra 5-10% performance.
astroturfing
Member
people who know better, tell me is this a decent setup:
ASUS S1155 P8H67-M PRO B3
Intel Core I7-2600
Club 3D GTX 560 (Club 3D? means it's 3D compatible? not sure if want..)
2 x 4GB of DDR3 RAM
Chieftec PSU 750W
2 x Nexus Case Fan 120mm Real Silent
also, are SSDs benefits enough to make it a sensible addition? not sure if need one.. but would really like everything to work a bit faster.
ASUS S1155 P8H67-M PRO B3
Intel Core I7-2600
Club 3D GTX 560 (Club 3D? means it's 3D compatible? not sure if want..)
2 x 4GB of DDR3 RAM
Chieftec PSU 750W
2 x Nexus Case Fan 120mm Real Silent
also, are SSDs benefits enough to make it a sensible addition? not sure if need one.. but would really like everything to work a bit faster.
mkenyon said:
It isn't like a Linux RAID system is a bulletproof solution. There are a lot of factors that go into making a reliable RAID setup - including the build of the device itself. You can certainly throw Linux on an old box and toss a bunch of drives in there...but if there isn't good enough airflow, clean, reliable power, etc. - it's crap. Best to build a purpose-based box or buy an off the shelf system such as a well-reviewed NAS.
RAID 5 is not the pinnacle of reliability, either. It's just a balance between reliability and disk space - not as reliable as RAID 1 or as fast as RAID 0, but a nice compromise. Especially when you an do RAID 5 plus hot spare.
I've had the computer running for about two months, but the GPU (which isn't greatest) was about 6 months old. I have a feeling it is graphics card, though. Everything else on that computer is pretty high end.sk3tch said:
I'm going to feel really dumb if I just need to unplug and plug in my DVI cable again....
I think I do need to learn more about manual BIOS overclocking though.
IonicSnake
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astroturfing said:
Unless you want a mini-ATX motherboard pick the PRO without the M.
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