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AMD | Bulldozer, Fusion, AM3+, FM1, and What's To Come

Some claimed B1 stepping benches. Stock, turbo, or OC not specified. Remember, while B0 samples have been relatively widespread, results have been largely unreliable, including some B0s performing slower than stock Phenom II X4s and X6s.

B1 hasn't had some of the same bugs and other issues, though AMD is said to be holding off until "B2" for retail release.


B1 stepping:

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This is NOT Excavator ... :)
http://obrovsky.blogspot.com/2011/06/this-is-not-excavator.html

Friday, 10. June 2011

This is NOT Excavator ... :)
WARNING, this is not final Unknown product, tested in Mosambic, diffused in Singapore ... enjoy.

EDIT: Benched with new mobo ..
Gigabyte MA-990FX-UD7, first results was with MA-890FX-UD5 ... perf. difference is really small .. but, awaiting new BIOS, some Turbo related problems i have ...



48% better then Thuban ...



23% better then Thuban



32% above Thuban (?)



44% above Thuban

PS. Thats not my shots, i found them in e-mail from unknown sender ... maybe :) Believe or not ..

FrozenCell said:
any 990FX microATX boards yet?
I believe there have been a handful of 970 mATX, maybe 1 or 2 990X mATX, but I don't recall seeing any 990FXs yet.
 
AMD, investors, OEMs, and the majority of regular users?

Rhetorical question or not, Llano, Trinity, and other Fusion products will account for a much larger chunk of their consumer revenue than standard Bulldozer products ever will.


AMD Platform Innovations With ‘Sabine’
http://blogs.amd.com/fusion/2011/06/09/amd-platform-innovations/

Sabine Platform Battery
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkbdyNO95hA

Power

Systems based on AMD technology have long been criticized for having a shorter battery life than systems based on competing technology. This is no longer the case with “Sabine.” Yes. In fact, internal testing demonstrates our “Sabine” platform will yield as good or better battery life than our competitor’s current platforms. In our labs we were able to exceed our expectations in terms of battery life using the Windows 7 idle test on the very same platform that we sampled to the press. This battery life performance handily surpasses a competing platform that was purchased at retail.
USB 3.0 Integration

With our new “Sabine” platform, AMD is the first company to integrate USB 3.0 into its core logic. Because of this, we’re enabling the following benefits of USB 3.0 over USB 2.0:

  • 10X bandwidth allowing up to 5 Gbps transfer rates
  • Full Duplex and Asynchronous operation
  • More power available through the ports

Translation: USB 3.0 enables the use of 1080p cameras! This means a new level of realism for video conferencing and other forms of tele-presence. We have been working with our partner, Point Grey who have developed a very small USB 3.0 based camera which they call “Flea3”. This camera can stream uncompressed 1080p60 video. As you can see in the linked video <link>, while an AMD system using Flea3 is able to request and process the same frames per second rate as the Intel system, it’s also able to display up to 4x the Hz— enabling a much sharper, jolt-free visual experience. There are other benefits to integrating USB 3.0 as well, including the availability of 4 ports instead of the current 2 found in most discrete solutions today.
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A 2500k does SuperPI 1M at about 11.5 seconds stock, and 8.5 seconds OC'd to 4.4 GHz. The screenshot on this page shows the "unknown CPU" finishing at 15.4 seconds, and the Malaysian review posted earlier has the A8-3800 at about 24 seconds with a core running at 5.4 GHz. Of course that's just one benchmark, but that doesn't seem very promising for gaming.
 
slidewinder said:
A 2500k does SuperPI 1M at about 11.5 seconds stock, and 8.5 seconds OC'd to 4.4 GHz. The screenshot on this page shows the "unknown CPU" finishing at 15.4 seconds, and the Malaysian review posted earlier has the A8-3800 at about 24 seconds with a core running at 5.4 GHz. Of course that's just one benchmark, but that doesn't seem very promising for gaming.

Yeah, that sounds pretty bad. I just did SuperPI 1M on my Core i7 2630QM (mobile Sandy Bridge processor) and at 2.63 Ghz it does it in 14.49 seconds. C'mon AMD, step it up.
 
slidewinder said:
A 2500k does SuperPI 1M at about 11.5 seconds stock, and 8.5 seconds OC'd to 4.4 GHz. The screenshot on this page shows the "unknown CPU" finishing at 15.4 seconds, and the Malaysian review posted earlier has the A8-3800 at about 24 seconds with a core running at 5.4 GHz. Of course that's just one benchmark, but that doesn't seem very promising for gaming.
I should've put quotes around that 5GHz+ speed because it's a display error (not unlike the 6GHz Bulldozers clocks floating around). The CPU wasn't running at that speed. Keep in mind that the A8-3800 and other desktop/mobile Llanos don't have L3 cache, will mostly have stock clocks below that Intel (A8-3800 @ 2.4GHz, 2500K @ 3.3GHz), and, being very similar to Athlon IIs, will be outperformed in CPU heavy tasks. Fusion is still low-mid level at present.

The "unknown CPU" leaker has previously posted some B0 benches, and there's no guarantee that these aren't B0 as well. One of the largest issues here is the discrepancy between AMD's ES and retail parts, compared to how closely Intel's ES mirror their retail parts. If you look at my post history, months before release, I gave rough estimates as to what most 2500K and 2600K buyers could expect from their CPUs as far as volts and clocks for 24/7 use. That was in steps from ~4.0-4.8GHz, which has held true. That can be attributed to how SB ES performed even months before official sales started.

AMD has said that they don't purposely cripple their samples. Going by what we know, they either are purposely limiting them (to conceal performance, for one), or they just consistently have issues.

For a long time now, people have been concerned about Bulldozer being focused on the server end, and/or worried about the design not translating well to gaming use. AMD's un-Intel like approach to secrecy isn't exactly helping with these and other speculation, but they're sticking to company policy.
 
AMD Tries to Close Gap in Chip Power Usage With Intel
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304665904576383914221027704.html

Advanced Micro Devices Inc. may have at least temporarily thrown off a big burden in its struggle with Intel Corp., a longtime gap in power consumption between AMD chips and those of its larger rival.

AMD on Tuesday is unveiling its second product line that combines two once-separate classes of chip technology, this time targeting notebook PCs at mainstream price points. The new chips include graphics circuitry—good for chores like playing games and high-definition-movies—along with the microprocessor circuitry AMD has long offered for handling other computing chores.

Besides boosting performance, AMD says laptops using its new A-Series chips can run 3.5 hours more on a single charge than those using its prior technology.

"I think we're really going to surprise the industry with how much we've improved the battery life," Rick Bergman, senior vice president and general manager of AMD's products group.

AMD says the maximum battery life using the new chips now stands at up to 10.5 hours—measured when a computer is switched on but idle—and said they top comparable Intel products. AnandTech, a website that tests high-tech products, also found that the new AMD chips beat or matched Intel chips in some power-consumption tests that simulate typical usage, though Intel came out ahead in some tests, said Jarred Walton, a senior mobile editor for the site.

AMD still faces an uphill effort. The Sunnyvale, Calif., firm's chips accounted for just 13.2% of world-wide shipments of chips for portable PCs in the first quarter, compared with 86.5% for Intel, according to market tracker Mercury Research.

The AMD chips emulate power-saving techniques already adopted by Intel, and are the first by AMD to adopt a comparable production process after delays by manufacturing partner Globalfoundries. Some analysts believe Intel could regain a power-consumption edge next year with its next manufacturing process, which exploits a major shift in transistor design. AMD also has reported no progress in finding a permanent chief executive to succeed Dirk Meyer, who was forced out in January; that process was expected to take four to six months.

Both Intel and AMD, moreover, have yet to match the power-sipping chip designs of ARM Holdings PLC to play a major role in the fast-moving market for tablet-style computers. Still, AMD's new chips provide some evidence that its 2006 purchase of graphics specialist ATI Technologies is paying dividends.

AMD estimates say the A-Series chips, part of an effort it calls Fusion, will be used in more than 150 notebook PCs being designed by computer makers. Hewlett-Packard Co., for example, on Tuesday is expected to announce 11 portables with the technology, at starting prices ranging from $449 to $699.

"You are finally starting to see the benefits from the acquisition of years ago coming together," says Phil McKinney, vice president and chief technology officer for H-P's personal systems group. AMD has "a potential to carve out an interesting segment for themselves."

Intel earlier this year introduced its second-generation Core chip line—known by the code-name Sandy Bridge—that also built in graphics technology. "It's easy to make theoretical battery life claims," an Intel spokesman said in response to AMD's announcement. He added there are a "multitude" of laptops using the new Core technology that "deliver both great total performance and great battery life."

Nathan Brookwood, an analyst at the market-research firm Insight 64, said the two companies are likely to be able to point to different kinds of computing jobs where their chips are the fastest. Since AMD's performance on graphics is stronger, he said, the company needs to get developers to create programs that exploit those features.

So AMD this week is hosting an event for software developers in Bellevue, Wash., whose speakers are expected to include developers from Microsoft Corp. and ARM.
 
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HP Introduces New Notebook Portfolio Powered by AMD
http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2011/110614xa.html?mtxs=rss-corp-news

PALO ALTO, Calif., June 14, 2011

HP today expanded its consumer and business notebook portfolios with 11 new models utilizing AMD’s latest VISION Technology for exceptional performance at an affordable price.

Powered by AMD’s A-series Accelerated Processing Units (APUs) that combine leading-edge CPU cores and powerful discrete-graphics onto a single die of silicon, HP’s new notebooks offer solutions for consumers, small and midsize businesses (SMBs) and large corporations.
Pricing and availability

Pricing and availability varies. Not all models are available in all regions.

The HP Pavilion dv6 starts at $599.99 and the Pavilion dv7 starts at $699.99. The Pavilion dv6 and dv7 are expected to be available in July.

The HP Pavilion g4 starts at $449.99, the Pavilion g6 starts at $498 and the Pavilion g7 starts at $499. The HP Pavilion g-series is expected to be available in July.

The HP ProBook b-series starts at $679. The HP ProBook b-series is expected to be available on June 27.

The HP ProBook s-series starts at $519 and is expected to be available on June 27.
Model specific info and prices at the above HP link.
 

Hazaro

relies on auto-aim
I have no doubts that BD launch will be fantastic for a ton of regular consumers and OEM's.
I just want a higher end part :[
 
I'm with you on that. AMD has been on about how great Bulldozer 2 is going to be since last year. Would be nice if they'd get around to launching Bulldozer 1 first.

Feels like we'll be playing with Haswell before that happens. /slight exaggeration
 
·feist· said:
I believe there have been a handful of 970 mATX, maybe 1 or 2 990X mATX, but I don't recall seeing any 990FXs yet.
i've seen tons of FM1 ones but can you help me find a 970 or 990X mATX board?

i wonder about the lack of 990FX mATX - its 4 card slots would easily saturate the capacity of the chipset regarding PCIe lanes. Out of the 7 ATX slots, most are useless x1 slots, ancient PCI ones or fake full lenth slots, who on earth fills all those 7 with addon cards? Hoping MSI or someone has a nice 990FX mATX hidden somewhere waiting for BD launch :|
 
Considering the memory bandwidth issues you get with GPu-infused CPUs like Llano, AnandTech ran some tests on DDR3 scaling for the desktop A8-3850.

DDR3 1333 and 1600 are at CL7. DDR3 1866 is at CL9.


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FrozenCell said:
i've seen tons of FM1 ones but can you help me find a 970 or 990X mATX board?

i wonder about the lack of 990FX mATX - its 4 card slots would easily saturate the capacity of the chipset regarding PCIe lanes. Out of the 7 ATX slots, most are useless x1 slots, ancient PCI ones or fake full lenth slots, who on earth fills all those 7 with addon cards? Hoping MSI or someone has a nice 990FX mATX hidden somewhere waiting for BD launch :|
Pouring over a few thousand products from Computex, I must have "misremembered" things. I thought at least Jetway or ECS had some on display. My mistake.

There should be 970 mATX on sale, and one of AMD's own slides show 800-series boards (some mATX) with an IGP still being produced. Just like s-1366, I wouldn't expect to see many high end 990FX options available in that form actor.

Once final BD is released and thoroughly tested, we should see how it performs wit 700- and 800-series boards, whether they have an AM3 or AM3+ socket. If there aren't a lot of 900 mATXs to choose from, you may want to look at some compatible 700s and 800s like these:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=27378909&postcount=42

Asus
http://event.asus.com/2011/mb/AM3_PLUS_Ready/

Asus M5A88-M EVO
http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/AMD_AM3Plus/M5A88M_EVO/

Asus M5A88-M
http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/AMD_AM3Plus/M5A88M/

Asus M5A78L-M LX
http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/AMD_AM3Plus/M5A78LM_LX/


ASRock 880GMH/U3S3
http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=880GMH/U3S3

ASRock 890GM Pro3 R2.0
http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=890GM Pro3 R2.0


Biostar TA890GXE
http://www.biostar.com.tw/app/en/mb/introduction.php?S_ID=474


Gigabyte
http://www.gigabyte.com/MicroSite/274/mb-am3plus.html
http://www.gigabyte.com/products/list.aspx?s=42&jid=10&p=2&v=26

Gigabyte GA-78LMT-S2P (rev. 3.1)
http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3833#ov

Gigabyte GA-880GM-USB3L (rev. 3.1)
http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3828

Gigabyte GA-880GMA-USB3 (rev. 3.1)
http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3817

Gigabyte GA-880GM-USB3 (rev. 3.1)
http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3809


MSI
http://event.msi.com/mb/am3+/
http://us.msi.com/index.php?func=newsdesc&news_no=939

MSI 890GXM-G65
http://www.msi.com/product/mb/890GXM-G65.html
 

Datschge

Member
Go AMD! It's at least 2 years late. But the merging of CPU and GPU is an overdue and really exciting development to me. I just wish more focus was given to Open CL performance in reviews as I still haven't seen any tests of that with the C and E series. And compilers which would automatically spit out alternate Open CL code paths along the usual x86/64 assembly.
 
The Wolfteam avatar is an automatic win.

While I paid very little attention to the E-series reviews, I agree. On a related note, Microsoft announced C++ AMP at the AMD Fusion Developer Summit.

Introducing C++ Accelerated Massive Parallelism (C++ AMP)
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/vcblog/archive/2011/06/15/introducing-amp.aspx

Targeting Heterogeneity with C++ AMP and PPL
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/somasegar/archive/2011/06/15/targeting-heterogeneity-with-c-amp-and-ppl.aspx

Previously, I blogged about key trends in software development starting with concurrency/parallelism, and indeed today multi-core systems are everywhere. You can target multi-core systems from many mainstream programming languages, and with Visual Studio 2010 we delivered market leading tooling for parallel development and debugging. You can see my post on our concurrency enhancements to C++ for VS2010 and here for a walkthrough of our parallel debugging tools.

In the last few years, we have been seeing an additional trend of heterogeneous hardware where, for example, developers take advantage of the GPU for computational purposes for their data parallel algorithms. This has been successful in narrow verticals using niche programing models. Microsoft wants to bring to the mainstream the ability to write code that takes advantage of heterogeneous hardware like GPUs. So like we’ve done with multi-core before, we are bringing this ability to the next version of Visual Studio.

I’m excited to announce that we are introducing a new technology that helps C++ developers use the GPU for parallel programming. Today at the AMD Fusion Developer Summit, we announced C++ Accelerated Massive Parallelism (C++ AMP). Additionally, I’m happy to say that we intend to make the C++ AMP specification an open specification.

By building on the Windows DirectX platform, our implementation of C++ AMP allows you to target hardware from all the major hardware vendors. We expect that it will be part of the next Visual C++ compiler and fully integrated in the next release of Visual Studio experience.

In addition, there is more work that we are doing on parallel computing. We also announced new enhancements to the next version of Parallel Patterns Library (PPL) and the C++ Concurrency Runtime. You can find easy-to-use C++ templates and runtime support to express algorithms for your domain expertise which scale on any provided hardware with PPL, Agent and the C++ Concurrency Runtime. With C++ AMP and PPL, we aim to make the next version of Visual Studio the most productive environment for targeting heterogeneous hardware available.

We will be making the session recording from Herb Sutter’s keynote session and Daniel Moth’s break-out session from the AMD Fusion conference available shortly. Please check the Visual C++ Team Blog or Channel 9 for those videos.

Namaste!
Microsoft Going All-in on GPU Computing
http://blogs.nvidia.com/2011/06/microsoft-going-all-in-on-gpu-computing/

10 minute video:

Microsoft Demos C++ AMP Heterogeneous Computing at AMD's Fusion Developer Summit
http://hothardware.com/News/Microsoft-Demos-C-AMP-Heterogeneous-Computing-at-AFDS/

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I think this is the first that AMD has officially acknowledged publicly that Bulldozer 2 will have to be on a new socket, "FMx."

For those who weren't aware, it's just something to keep in mind if you were looking to build a super high end AM3+ PC.

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On the Fusion side of things:

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Some desktop pricing:
http://www.shopblt.com/cgi-bin/s.cgi?order_id=!ORDERID!&s_lastpos=0&t_all=1&s_max=100&s_all=fm1

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What's the expectation on current processor prices? Did they drop already in anticipation of the new chips, or should I expect to see a downbump in Phenom II prices when Bulldozer actually makes it to release?
 
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Full compatibility with AMD AM3+ multi-core processors MSI AM3 mainboards allow absolute painless upgrade
http://www.msi.com/news-media/news/1224.html

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&#8251;For the latest information, please visit here: MSI AM3+ CPU Support



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AMD demonstrates a 32 core Bulldozer server
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2080551/amd-demonstrates-core-bulldozer-server

At AMD's ISC stand one could find several 2U and 4U servers built with older Opteron chips, but it was a 1U pizza box server made by Supermicro that housed two 16-core Bulldozer chips running live demonstrations of POVRay. This is the first time that AMD has publicly displayed its next generation Opteron processor, codenamed Bulldozer.

The chaps manning AMD's stand said that Bulldozer still has a Q3 2011 launch date and, judging by the fact that it has started to display working machines, we can assume that timeframe is not too optimistic. Asked whether AMD will be coming up with a Llano style Opteron featuring an accelerated processor unit (APU), AMD told The INQUIRER that "an Opteron APU still at least two years off".
One thing that surprised us was how cool the chips were running. We were able to touch the heatsinks with our bare hands. Given that this is a 1U server where cooling capabilities are stretched to the limit, that is a mighty impressive showing from AMD.
 
·feist· said:
There should be 970 mATX on sale, and one of AMD's own slides show 800-series boards (some mATX) with an IGP still being produced. Just like s-1366, I wouldn't expect to see many high end 990FX options available in that form actor.
why is that? is AMD getting intentionally the short end of the stick? can't recall there being any 890FX mATX boards either :\
 
http://www.qk123.com/archives/47532

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FrozenCell said:
why is that? is AMD getting intentionally the short end of the stick? can't recall there being any 890FX mATX boards either :\
High end mATX and mITX are a niche of an even large niche. In a way, 970s play Intel's H67/H61, to the 990X/990FX's P67/Z68 act. Lower spec chipsets dominate what's often viewed as a lower spec form factor. That's partially down to niche, and also owes to having less PCB to work with to construct a high end board. You'll be hard pressed to find a wide variety of X79s in mATX and mITX, for instance. To compensate for the reduced footprint, you can use higher-end (pricier) components, doing more with less. Options will always be more limited, though.

As for earlier gen AMDs that have bios updates, or an AM3+ socket, did you go through the list I compiled for you? While there aren't any 890FX specifically, there were 890s and 880s in there.
 

Owzers

Member
if i end up returning my thinkpad edge i3-2310m i might get an hp probook 4535s, that battery life is very desirable.
 
AnandTech
ASRock A75 Extreme6 Review and Desktop Llano Overclocking
The AMD A8-3850 Review: Llano on the Desktop
AMD A8-3850 : An HTPC Perspective

Bjorn3D
Llano vs. Sandy Bridge: HTPC Performance
AMD Llano: Fusion for the Mainstream

ComputerBase
Test: „Llano“-CPU-Leistung (51-page)
Test: „Llano“-Grafikleistung (23-page)

Guru3D
AMD A8-3850 APU review
AMD A6 3500 APU review - Triple Core APU

Hardware.fr
AMD A8-3850 : Le pari APU

HardwareCanucks
AMD A8-3850 APU Review: Llano Hits the Desktop

HardwareHeaven
AMD Llano A8-3850 APU and Gigabyte A75-UD4H Motherboard Review

Hi Tech Legion
AMD A8-3850 APU Review: The Arrival of Llano

HotHardware
AMD A8-3850 Llano APU and Lynx Platform Preview

Inpai
Llano&#24320;&#21551;&#26410;&#26469;&#20043;&#36335;!&#26032;APU A8-3850&#35780;&#27979;
&#20026;Llano&#20934;&#22791; AMD A75&#24066;&#21806;&#20027;&#26495;&#20840;&#38754;&#30331;&#22330;

lab501
AMD A8-3850 – Un APU echilibrat (37-page)

NAMEGT
AMD Llano A8-3850 APU Benchmark

Neoseeker
AMD A8-3850 "Llano" & Gigabyte A75M-UD2H Review

Overclockers.com
AMD A8-3850 APU Review – Llano for Desktop

Overclockers Club
AMD A8-3850 Llano APU Review

PCLab.pl
AMD A8-3850 (Llano APU) – pierwszy uk&#322;ad Fusion do desktopów

PC Perspective
AMD A8-3850 Llano Desktop Processor Review - Can AMD compete with Sandy Bridge?

PCTuning.cz
AMD Llano – kompletní rozbor architektury 1/2

PureOverclock
AMD A8-3850 Llano APU

Tech Report
AMD's A8-3850 Fusion APU

TechSpot
AMD A8-3850 Llano APU Review

Tom's Hardware
AMD A8-3850 Review: Llano Rocks Entry-Level Desktops

TweakTown
AMD A8-3850 (Llano) APU and A55/A75 Chipset Review

X-bit Labs
True Fusion: AMD A8-3800 APU Review



Motherboards:

AnandTech
ASRock A75 Extreme6 Review and Desktop Llano Overclocking

eTeknix
Asus F1A75-M Pro Llano Motherboard Review

HardwareHeaven
AMD Llano A8-3850 APU and Gigabyte A75-UD4H Motherboard Review

LegitReviews
ASUS F1A75-M Pro AMD APU Motherboard Review

Neoseeker
AMD A8-3850 "Llano" & Gigabyte A75M-UD2H Review


CPU/APU Transition Plan
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terrdactycalsrock said:
So is Bulldozer suppose to be more powerful than the icore 5 or icore7?
It's expected to be somewhere in the ballpark of Intel's current lineup. Certainly closer than the current AMD:Intel disparity.

Remains to be seen how the use of non-standard cores translates to single and multi thread performance relative to known architectures.


Aurarian said:
Sweet, my motherboard will be able to support the new AM3+ CPU's then according to that list(have a MSI 870A-G54).
Nice. Now you just need to wait for reviews to see what overall compatibility looks like.


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AMD APU plays Crisis 2 on GIGABYTE A75M-UD2H mobo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lth_M25cXjE
 
AMD 'Bulldozer' Opterons Will Feature TDP Capping Technology
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Desktops-a...mpaign=Feed:+RSS/tech+(eWEEK+Technology+News)

However, with the upcoming 16-core "Interlagos" and eight-core "Valencia" Opteron chips based on the "Bulldozer" core, AMD is looking to give mainstream customers greater control over the performance and power consumption of their AMD chips, according to Kerby.

With the new Bulldozer-based Opterons, which are set for release in the third quarter, AMD is introducing TDP Power Cap, which will give enterprises the ability to set the TDP (thermal design power) of their processors, essentially customizing their chips to meet power and workload demands. Using various knobs in the BIOS, businesses will be able to reduce the overall TDP of the chip—they won't be able to increase it beyond the maximum level set by AMD—which will help in power consumption, and then tweak the frequency of the cores as needed to get the maximum amount of performance allowed under the TDP setting, Kerby said.

"While you set the [TDP] cap, you can still operate at a high frequency," he said.

In addition, businesses can keep the TDP at the level set by AMD, and change the frequencies of the processors to add power, while keeping the overall power use under the TDP.

There's also logic built into the Bulldozer architecture, called Application Power Management, that manages the power budget and power resources, including pushing power to specific cores when needed to keep them below the TDP setting, Kerby said.
Along with TDP Power Cap, AMD in the Bulldozer-based Opterons will introduce an enhanced version of Turbo Core, a technology that was first launched last year in AMD's Phenom chips and that essentially enables users to push the chip's base speed up closer to the level of the TDP. The feature enables users to squeeze extra performance out of the chip and gain maximum clock speeds, and will complement TDP Power Cap in the area of customization, according to AMD.

APML (Advanced Platform Management Link), which allows for remote power management, also will work with TDP Power Cap, according to AMD's Kerby.
 

Rolf NB

Member
This is taking too damn long. I want desktop Bulldozers this year. My rig's overdue for a significant CPU upgrade.

Finally getting the 32nm chips out is cool and all, but Llano just doesn't represent an upgrade even so.

Also the newly introduced socket split is annoying. There could have been a new socket that supports both, APUs and all the other new chips. If not now, it will have to come at some point anyway.
 

Kyaw

Member
If they are introducing a new socket for the higher end BD, i might as well wait and get w/c for my current Phenom II X4...

I want to see some BD reviews though.
 
Speaking of which...

Texas GamExperience - July 16
http://www.hardocp.com/news/2011/06/02/texas_gamexperience_july_16

Join HardOCP and AMD for a day of gaming in downtown Dallas on July 16th! Raffles and tons of free stuff will be had. Free-for-all headshots will be made. Winners will be crowned. Losers will be chastised! Get hands on with AMD's "Bulldozer" FX processor! Hands on preview of Deus Ex: Human Revolution! Plenty of Fusion, Eyefinity, and Big Screen demo stations. More details coming soon. Discussion. New details start here.
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?p=1037410890#post1037410890

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Rolf NB said:
This is taking too damn long. I want desktop Bulldozers this year. My rig's overdue for a significant CPU upgrade.

Finally getting the 32nm chips out is cool and all, but Llano just doesn't represent an upgrade even so.

Also the newly introduced socket split is annoying. There could have been a new socket that supports both, APUs and all the other new chips. If not now, it will have to come at some point anyway.
Did you see the first chart in this post?
That would've likely required a further delay, in part due to logistics, and Llano Fusion and Zambezi Bulldozer not having all the same controllers on-chip. Bulldozer 2 will address that, and assuming "Bulldozer Enhanced" is in fact BD2, you'll see it next year.


Kyaw said:
If they are introducing a new socket for the higher end BD, i might as well wait and get w/c for my current Phenom II X4...

I want to see some BD reviews though.
Get in line, Kyaw. Outside of tiles like Starcraft and Lost Planet 1/2, your CPU isn't really hampering you in most games, anyway.
 

Rolf NB

Member
·feist· said:
Did you see the first chart in this post?
That would've likely required a further delay, in part due to logistics, and Llano Fusion and Zambezi Bulldozer not having all the same controllers on-chip. Bulldozer 2 will address that, and assuming "Bulldozer Enhanced" is in fact BD2, you'll see it next year.
Well "FMx" won't be the actual name, but if it was in fact FM1, that would have been in the chart. Something about FM1 isn't up to par with what Bulldozer requires, and it'll have to make way for another platform, new sockets, new motherboards.

Both AM3+ and FM1 sockets will be rather short lived.
 

mkenyon

Banned
AMD is going to be at PDXLAN this year. I'll be sure to post any findings, maybe even record the presentation. I know for sure they're giving away a ton of 990FX boards. Nvidia launched the 5 series at PDXLAN last year, was pretty rad seeing that stuff before a big market launch.
 
I say grab as many as you can and make a run for it. How much jail time can they possibly give you?


Rolf NB said:
Well "FMx" won't be the actual name, but if it was in fact FM1, that would have been in the chart. Something about FM1 isn't up to par with what Bulldozer requires, and it'll have to make way for another platform, new sockets, new motherboards.

Both AM3+ and FM1 sockets will be rather short lived.
Yeah, "FMx" is placeholder. AM3+'s short lifespan has been know for some time now (a few of us actually discussed it in last year's PC thread), but if FM1 doesn't at least support Trinity, I wouldn't know what to make of that. There is the disclaimer that they use on certain CPU/GPU projections, along with the socket ambiguity, so we'll see.
 
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HP Pavilion dv6z Quad laptop with AMD Llano innards goes on sale starting at $650
http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/04/hp-pavilion-dv6z-quad-laptop-sports-amd-llano-beats-intel-on-pr/

AMD's Llano platform might not satisfy everyone's power-lust when housed in a desktop, but stick one of these all-in-one beauties in a laptop and you're good to go. The new HP Pavilion dv6z Quad notebook -- one of 11 new Fusion-powered models from HP -- is a case in point, having just arrived at the company's online store. The base model promises battery life of up to almost six hours, "discrete-class" integrated Radeon graphics with 512MB of video memory, and a 1.4GHz quad-core processor that can be clocked up to 2.3GHz using AMD's Turbo technology. Oh yeah, and there's the real benefit of switching to AMD: that base configuration costs just $650, versus a minimum of $999 for the Intel-equipped dv6t. For the money, you'll also get 6GB of DDR3 memory, a 640GB 5400rpm HDD, a 1366 x 768 display (yes, a glossy one), HDMI output, and a pair of USB 3.0 ports in addition to two of the USB 2.0 variety. We ought to clarify that the sexy steel gray version on the left will cost you $25 extra, but hey, who wants to be "umber gray?"

VIA Laptoping
SOURCE HP
 
AMD [H]ardOCP GamExperience - July 16
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1612784&page=18

Hardocp texas game experience triple projector
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZU0ipzeFnw

cqcumber said:
first time to the event and just wanna share my experience.

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dirt 3 demo with recaro seat, it's badassssssssssssssssssss!
Fonil said:
The dirt 3 pictures you see above is one of the two machines at the venue running bulldozer Build as far as I could see
Asus Rampage V
a SINGLE 6970
Unnamed bulldozer
Corsair h50 and it was running the game flawlessly. There were more problems with the tf2 machines than those. Severely impressed and would have loved to have seen the game running on a 1100T setup next to it.
mikeohara said:
 

Lesiroth

Member
So does the Dirt demo tell us anything about performance? I doubt it.

I just wanna know if there will be something equivalent to the i5-2500, or at least pretty close in performance.
 
Live working samples. Either that, or the latest round of "benchmarks" from shady Euro sources.

People who attended the event may be able to extrapolate somewhat, even the tiniest bit, up against similar rigs. Anyone who's experienced the difference LGA 1155 has made in games, even GPU-bound titles, compared to LGA 775 and AM3, knows the benefits newer CPU arch can bring.


Franck "CPU-Z" Delattre's BD article was translated into English.

AMD Bulldozer architecture
by Franck Delattre
Published on July 13, 2011
http://www.behardware.com/articles/833-1/amd-bulldozer-architecture.html
 
AMD readies Bulldozers to ship next month
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/07/22/amd_q2_2011_numbers/

Still later in the call, when it was clear that Wall Street needed something to get excited about, AMD let slip that the Opteron 6200s would launch next month and that their desktop companion, the FX Series, code-named "Zambezi", would come out next month, as well. After clarification from AMD's press relations people, El Reg discovered that AMD's top brass meant to say that these two chips would ship for revenue next month, but it is still not clear when they will be formally announced.
On the server front, Siefert said that the 16-core "Interlagos" Opteron 6200 processor, the first server chip to make use of the "Bulldozer" core and implemented in GlobalFoundries' 32 nanometer processes, would ship this quarter to OEM partners. He added that the chip would offer about a 35 per cent performance boost compared to the current 12-core Opteron 6100s.


Latest AMD AM3+ Processor Product Planning
http://www.hkepc.com/6810

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* - TBC "to be confirmed"


September 6 and 19 have both been thrown about by various sources as BD's launch date. What looks like a September 19 date was shown in one of AMD's own promotional videos:

Cinematic Trailer | Operation Scorpius | The Legend of FX | AMD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRYvfhk7xcs


Operation Scorpius - The Legend of FX
http://sites.amd.com/us/promo/processors/Pages/operation-scorpius.aspx
http://www.amd.com/us/Documents/AMD_Operation-Scorpius_070811-LOW.pdf

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Not surprisingly, the "FMx" infrastructure mentioned in the earlier AMD Desktop Platform Roadmap will in fact be FM2, with FM1 and AM3+ giving way to a common platform. So, the Piledriver evolution of BD will feature ~4-10 Turbo Core 3.0 "Bulldozer Enhanced" cores with the latest Hudson chipset.

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AMD’s Plans for 2012
http://motherboardnews.com/2011/07/25/amds-plans-for-2012/
This new enthusiast-level will be called “Corona” and will feature “Komodo” CPUs with up to 10, yes ten, “Piledriver” CPU cores with AMD Turbo CORE 3.0, support for DDR3 memory and an all-new FM2 socket. Rather than continue with the current chipset naming scheme, the “Corona” platform will use the new “Hudson” D4 chipset with support for 8 SATA3 ports, 10x USB 2.0 and 4x USB 3.0. Rounding the platform off, we’ll have AMD’s upcoming Radeon HD 7000 series discrete graphics cards, which may hit the market later this year.

Moving on to the mainstream desktop, we have the “Virgo” platform, which will feature “Trinity” APUs (rumoured to be used in next generation Xbox) with up to 4 “Piledriver” CPU cores, AMD Turbo CORE 3.0, a DirectX 11 GPU core, DDR3 support and the same FM2 socket we mentioned with “Corona” – interesting! On the chipset-side of things, we will see the same A75 and A55 chipsets we have today, which feature support for 4 USB 3.0 and 6x SATA3 (on the A75) as well as 14x USB 2.0.

On the base desktop, we will have AMD’s “Deccan” platform, which uses the “Wichita” APU (up to 4 “Bobcat” CPU cores, a DirectX 11 GPU core, DDR3 support and FT2 socket) and the “Yuba” chipset.
 

[Nintex]

Member
AMD is really going all the way with all these chip codenames. I'm kinda interested to see how these perform but I've yet to see an APU with graphics performance on par with an enthusiast standalone GPU.
 

Iadien

Guarantee I'm going to screw up this post? Yeah.
I'm planning to upgrade before SWTOR launch, so hopefully these chips are out by then so I know if I should go with an i5 or one of these.
 
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