toastyToast
Member
Didn't Bayo do 1M+ worldwide? That's like Yakuza numbers
I'm surprised that it exists yet they're sitting on it
I'm surprised that it exists yet they're sitting on it
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Sega announces extraordinary loss of 7.1 bn yen, layoffs, restructures, cancels games
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ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
fixed. But you could also say that about 90% of the industry too.
Foliorum Viridum
Banned
Other than the Yakuza series and a select few other titles, Sega are fucking shit these days.
It's not surprising they're struggling when they still focus on Sonic and haven't made a good game in that franchise since the Megadrive.
It's not surprising they're struggling when they still focus on Sonic and haven't made a good game in that franchise since the Megadrive.
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
Sega seem to go through this every year.
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
Not sure if serious.
Sonic games sell a metric shitton, regardless of their quality.
Dusk Golem
A 21st Century Rockefeller
I find it disappointing so many think SEGA are shit these days. They were something like 5-6 years ago. However, I would argue the titles they've been releasing the last 3-4 years have been quite excellent overall. From Valkyria Chronicles, to Bayonetta and Vanquish and MadWorld and Infinite Space, to Sonic Generations and Colors, to the Yuzuka series and Binary Domain, to the Total War games, to House of the Dead: Overkill, to Rhythm Thief and Shinobi 3DS, and the likes. I think most of the people making those claims must be caught in the past or blinded by their own personal dislike for SEGA, likely.
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
Most of those games aren't developed by Sega.
Phonomezer
Banned
Pretty much.
Foliorum Viridum
Banned
Yeah? Embarrassing. People should be ashamed of buying a Sonic game in the last ten years.
MightyHedgehog
Member
Eh, Sega's had a decade or more of shittiness to recover from. You don't change a long-held perception that easily and especially when they haven't had a single breakout original hit in a very long time.
megashock5
Member
That and no Sonic Generations on Wii, both seem odd.
slaughterking
Member
So? They are still a precious publisher. I love SEGA for that.
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
They are games made for kids. Kids aren't gonna be bothered by bad graphics, shitty friends, werehog, glitches, terrible stories, interspecies romance, Shadow the AngstHog or finding the computer room.
Noisepurge
Member
better not cancel Yakuza 5!
Rubyeclipse: do you have the numbers on Yakuza 3, 4 and DS? Did the western versions sell enough to break even?
Rubyeclipse: do you have the numbers on Yakuza 3, 4 and DS? Did the western versions sell enough to break even?
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
I don't know one persn who even cares for that franchise. That includes me. They could improve their odds with me in a sequel but that may not happen.
IpsoFacto
Member
Published by SEGA, IPs owned by the company. The issue of inhouse/external dev is entirely irrelevant.
There is one major difference, however.
For whatever reason, the bad SEGA games never seem to leave the video game collective zeigeist. Particularly the really bad ones based on the Marvel license, all of which were movie tie-ins, to which unsurprisingly were bad, but bad movie-tie ins are commonplaceand are expected to be bad all the same. Yet it is the only time, you will hear the word SEGA being uttered.
On the flip side, any SEGA game that gets a green score on Metacritic gets great buzz immediately after it's release and is quickly forgotten by the video game community, as if it never existed.
Notice how even Sonic chatter has died out ever since Sonic Generations was released... Being a good SEGA has this unfortunate curse attached to it.
Sonic Generations is pretty good.
IpsoFacto
Member
Yes, it is a very good game.
But have you noticed how many times the good SEGA games have to brought up in these conversations?
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
It's very good. The only downside is that it's so short, unless you play all those side missions. Still, Sonic these days is primarily aimed at children and young teenagers, who gladly buy Sonic games in droves regardless of the quality. Sonic back in the 16-bit days was more akin to Mario in that the games weren't aimed at a specific demographic.
The Western side of the industry has been thriving this generation. It's the Eastern developers and publishers that have been struggling since day 1. Things seemed to be improving as of late, but this news is definitely not good.
That is NOT a downside. The concern over Sonic games being short is specifically what lead to Sonic's shitty friends and all of their awful gameplay. Why do you think the Werehog was used in Unleashed? Sonic Generations is great simply because they finally cut the filler from the main game.
AdventureRacing
Member
I don't know if thriving is the right word. There have been many western studios struggling this gen. Maybe not as much but it still hasn't been an easy gen for them.
IrishNinja
Member
fuckin' thank you. this "lol sega" meme is about as worthwhile as comics-talk from people who read some x-men in the 90's.
Sonic Colors & Generations say fugouttahere
for real though, did you play those?
Odd that there wasn't any DLC new levels for Generations, would have been easy money, since people wanted more levels from the older Sonic games to be in this game.
AndyMoogle
Member
That DS game no one cares about was made by Wayforward, and it's a pretty cool game actually.
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
A $60 game that can be completed in 3 hours isn't exactly good value for money, but yeah, I see your point.
Yeah, wonder why they didn't cook up some DLC for old Mega Drive levels.
Criminal Upper
Banned
Man, Binary Domain must have been an ever bigger flop I could have imagined.
Well, my hopes of ever getting a Jet Set Radio sequel or proper successor to Valkyria Chronicles just sank lower than I thought they could go. Chances of getting more Virtua Fighter games localized probably aren't too good either.
*sigh*
Ew. Pick your poison.
*sigh*
Ew. Pick your poison.
Yeah, 'AAA' game budgets can rise seemingly without limit in the current gen, but that doesn't mean there isn't going to be a sudden hike with the next gen. I think that's a near certainty, and life is only going to get harder for so-called 'B-tier' developers.
It had better be. I hate the idea of Kamiya's time being wasted on a project that goes nowhere due to circumstances beyond his control.
RPGCrazied
Member
That sucks. I hope it doesn't interfere with the Skies of Arcadia HD port.
Don't forget 'AAAA' games.
freenudemacusers
Member
I am going to assume everyone reading this and expecting someone not only to buy sega but also release Shenmue 3 is joking.
Pureauthor
Member
No it hasn't. It really, really hasn't.
If there is one Japanese company that should succeed it's SEGA. I mean Valkyria Chronicles, VF5, Yakuza series, amazing DD ports like Sonic CD and Dayatona, plus publishing Bayonetta, Vanquish..... Seriously SEGA has delivered a lot more quality content then Konami, Capcom or SE. God if only I was a millionaire I would totally help them out
Time for Notch to step up and prove what a great guy he really is
mugurumakensei
Member
I would have also linked to the thread with Vigil and Relic cuts.
The reality is neither Western nor Eastern developers are doing well. It just happens that Eastern developers are hemorrhaging faster.
The Blockbuster mentality really does have to stop. Sure, it makes average game quality better, but, if the result is higher game prices and studios shutting down, I think its much better to have an industry with solid B-C tier titles that are budgeted as such with a smattering of big budget titles.
megashock5
Member
Yeah, I had an NES but was a Genesis guy in the 16 bit era.
The funny thing is, after skipping SNES and N64 , the thing that brought me back to Nintendo was Sega's exit from the hardware market.
I loved my Dreamcast, and when they killed it I went out and bought a Gamecube even though I had a PS2. I couldn't believe what was happening to Sega and I shuddered at the idea of losing both of the old guard - so I started supporting Nintendo from that point on.
I was tempted to write that.
"No Valkyria Chronicles games localized period" is probably more accurate. Assuming the franchise continues at all. :/
I'm honestly a little surprised by this. Have they revealed what the biggest culprits were?
I guess there was a lack of the XBLA/PSN moneyspinners that they have had in previous years too, though.
Maybe this is why they unveiled the Sega Ages stuff today.
Also, PSO2 was way behind schedule. That could have had a lot to do with it.
I guess there was a lack of the XBLA/PSN moneyspinners that they have had in previous years too, though.
Maybe this is why they unveiled the Sega Ages stuff today.
Also, PSO2 was way behind schedule. That could have had a lot to do with it.