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vg247-PS4: new kits shipping now, AMD A10 used as base, final version next summer
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As opposed to?
Link is blocked at work. can someone please quote the awesomeness I am missing out on.
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you wouldn't need to have an android OS to have a rich, smart TV+ style interface with apps. Its a messy landscape at the moment and often smart TVs don't get updated content. But with a programmable system like PS4 Sony has an opportunity to really push in that area.
Android can be a bit of a RAM hog as well.Not something a console developer would want right now. It'll likely be Linux based again.
Just explanation of old hardware capabilities that appeared in the PC GPUs after the arrival of PS3/X360 and how they will be used on nextgen consoles .
For me, logically, the next-gen systems would have 2 "partitions":
- game mode. 3GB of RAM, lots of CPU time, low-level hardware access, flashy 3d graphics.
- system mode. 1GB of RAM, CPU time comparable with a modern ARM processor, lots of security, less powerful graphics, runs apps, plays dvds/blu-rays has a full windowing system, can work as an overlay on game mode.
Android/winRT/whatever would sit in the system partition, and shouldn't affect gaming performance.
But I'm not a pro/insider, that might be complete nonsense
.jeff_rigby
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HWiNFO64 is a professional hardware information and diagnostic tool supporting the latest components, industry technologies and standards. HWiNFO64 is designed to collect and present the maximum amount of information possible about computer's hardware
These appear to be new hardware by AMD that the software can report on. Posted Oct 8, 2012 which likely means it exists in some form BEFORE Oct 8, 2012.
Added AMD Sun, Neptune, Ibiza, Cozumel, Kauai, Hainan, Curacao, Aruba, Richland Devastator/Scrapper, Thebe, Kryptos, Samara, Pennar. Edit: [Timing and features suggest that Pennar might be the core design that is modified for PS4]
Neptune & Sun are Mobile GPUs
seronx was there ahead of me by 8 days but he got allot of the descriptions wrong, See above cites.
These appear to be new hardware by AMD that the software can report on. Posted Oct 8, 2012 which likely means it exists in some form BEFORE Oct 8, 2012.
Added AMD Sun, Neptune, Ibiza, Cozumel, Kauai, Hainan, Curacao, Aruba, Richland Devastator/Scrapper, Thebe, Kryptos, Samara, Pennar. Edit: [Timing and features suggest that Pennar might be the core design that is modified for PS4]
http://www.afterdawn.com/software/version_history.cfm/hwinfo64 said:
Neptune & Sun are Mobile GPUs
http://www.amdzone.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=527&t=136890 said:
http://www.indeed.com/r/Rami-Dornala/e0704aad508659b2 said:
seronx was there ahead of me by 8 days but he got allot of the descriptions wrong, See above cites.
http://www.amdzone.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=532&t=139479&start=25 said:
jeff_rigby
Banned
So they exist (Kryptos and Thebe) but we don't know what they are. They are positioned between Richland APU (high performance) and Samara APU (Ultra low power) so it's logical that they are APUs. No info other than this which is expected if it's a Confidential win.
I really don't think they will be mobile cpu/apu derivatives.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
I didn't think the code names were in question any more. They are still listed within 1 Linkedin profile.
2 other AMD employees have in the last couple of days edited out the mention of these code names which is always a giveaway.
2 other AMD employees have in the last couple of days edited out the mention of these code names which is always a giveaway.
I had this in mind, but Android has a huge piracy problem, that is reportedly making developers jump ship to ios, so off the bat piracy problems make that os a no go.
Android is also not x86 irrc. And a bloaty os for Sony's requirements I guess.
I guess they could make it dual boot setup that allows android apps on the os level.
If you recall, at the beginning of the generation, Sony's OS was bloated despite being Linux based (iirc) at 120MB overall as opposed to the steady 32MB of 360. Will they learn their lesson in efficiency for the next platform? Guess we won't know till we can compare the two next gen systems.
jeff_rigby
Banned
There is the possibility that we were trolled by sweetvar using existing names to make it believable (now not likely).
Who and can you link to the Linkedin profile. What they work on is telling.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
It is a simple google search to find them. If a mod says it is OK to link them I will.
I really don't want to see anyone fired though.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Was Kryptos supposed to be in X720 and Thebe in PS4, based on Sweetvar's post, I can't remember anymore?
Yeah you're right really. The PS4 needs to have a fully functional, well supported OS with tons of apps available and Android is the only one I can think of that could realistically appear on the system. I don't really see a healthy market for dedicated gaming machines anymore, they either need to start really competing with tablet and PC's in capability or they will start to die. I don't think there is room to support 3 manufacturers. I mean, perhaps 1 single gaming console could live a healthy life, but that's it.
Yeah, it's just like you said. Kryptos=X720, Thebes=PS4.
systemfehler
Member
Hopefully everything else would be very disappointing - maybe not in the first year but even with a console cycle of minimum 5 years I expect a lot if Sony and MS want my money.
-COOLIO-
The Everyman
I would expect samaritan or something close to it.
What, in sandbox games? Coolio, pass me your joint.
Shtof
Member
Depends. Just Cause 2 is not only the biggest sandbox game, but also the best looking.
And what about the numerous object pop ins? If you could play a game like Uncharted 3 with sandbox design and minimal pop ins then during gameplay it'll feel much better than a game looking like Crysis 3 in the same genre with an incessant pop ins.
I've been playing FarCry 3 for the past week, I don't experience pop ins (PC) but I have seen it in youtube videos. Also I'd say FarCry 3 looks better than Uncharted 3, but of course that is just opinion. (of the sane)
Ah, I miss read this.
I would like to add that I would rather games look like FarCry 3 or Crysis 3 and be sandbox, while having some games with Samaritan graphics, that are boxed in. As long as we don't have to deal with pop ups or unstable frame rates.
James Sawyer Ford
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wrong thread! lulz
My first response would be no, but something must be up, because it's going up pretty close to GTA 5. I don't know why you'd want a new ip to go up against GTA5 when the ip fits the mould of a classic fall blockbuster.
Damn, I wish ps4 has the ability to play ps3 games.
Yes, I think they are pushing because:
- MS might be delayed due to production issues
- Sonys console is weaker and so it wants to lead the market
- Because they anticipate delays themselves but even so hope to make it around holidays 2013
Melchiah
Member
A bit off-topic...
I'm not personally worried about the specs at all, but I'm worried whether the next gen will have similar moneyhatted 3rd party exclusives as this gen. My biggest hope is that only the 1st party titles are bound to platforms, as I don't want games like Bioshock and Mass Effect to be ruined (ie. spoiled) by choosing the "wrong" platform. Meaning, if your chosen platform gets the game year(s) later, you've probably heard or seen too many details about the game before you actually get to play it.
I'm not personally worried about the specs at all, but I'm worried whether the next gen will have similar moneyhatted 3rd party exclusives as this gen. My biggest hope is that only the 1st party titles are bound to platforms, as I don't want games like Bioshock and Mass Effect to be ruined (ie. spoiled) by choosing the "wrong" platform. Meaning, if your chosen platform gets the game year(s) later, you've probably heard or seen too many details about the game before you actually get to play it.
I think it could also be that they didn't have to wait as long to hit their performance goals as they originally thought. The rumored specs for 8850/8870 cards make them out to be pretty powerful and run cool with low power consumption.
iceatcs
Junior Member
well I think if there are three very different power level consoles that will lead more 3rd party exclusives.
PS4 and 720 look like both will be very similar, then hardy to get full exclusives. It will be like this gen , some DLC or timed exclusives.
I should have bookmarked all those times whoever it was kept telling me I was wrong that The Last Of Us was going to be out within the first 6 months if 2013.
"It's a fall 2013 game" pah to you sir, pah! lol.
So besides Beyond, we have a date for every retail Sony developed PS3 game and they are all set for the first few months. Unless something else pops up it seems pretty obvious when we will be hearing and getting a release for the next PlayStation.
"It's a fall 2013 game" pah to you sir, pah! lol.
So besides Beyond, we have a date for every retail Sony developed PS3 game and they are all set for the first few months. Unless something else pops up it seems pretty obvious when we will be hearing and getting a release for the next PlayStation.
iamvin22
Industry Verified
source???
He is summarising speculation in the thread I think.
Hardly anything you can do about that. Microsoft is definitely going to get some third party Japan exclusives again. They really need something like monster hunter on that platform. Granted the exclusive won't be monster hunter but it's going to be big again.
And some games never transfer across. Demon Souls & MGS4 are still ps3 exclusive. Granted Demon Souls is Sony published. I think in the current climate, controllers can be a differentiating factor between consoles.
Puppeteer doesn't have a date AFAIK.
I do think it's possible for sony to beat microsoft to market though, if the rumors of a very powerful 720 are true. I have an acquaintance who works on xbox at microsoft, I don't know him very well but I talked to him about a year ago and the only thing he would say about the 720 are that it would probably piss a lot of gamers off, which makes me think that at the time they were planning on going the wii route.
Chuck Norris
Banned
Fidelity? Crysis is one of the jaggiest games ever made no matter how powerful your PC is
No it isn't.
Crysis 1 is so beautiful. But I'm glad we disagree, just gives me a reason to post this:
http://youtu.be/UMHgBplll8Q
Could be. It was a while ago, and nothing too substantial, something like "it's going to upset a lot of people", I can't remember exactly how he put it.
No worries. That's par for the course.
The living room TV set, controlled with a dual shock , is completely different from a tablet. I think apps are good, but the focus would be more on media. So look at what Samsung is doing with their high end smart TVs for example. Sony could compete with that without needing android
jeff_rigby
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Warning: Wild Speculation >> None of this is directly from AMD so it's information compiled from multiple sources in News articles and Linkedin Job postings.
Did some research and corrected the seronx post. Looking at the list in order gives interesting information for speculation. If GNB (Combining Northbridge and Southbridge) is only 20nm then the last two APUs are 20nm and Samara a 20nm 2013 launch alongside Kabini. So Kyrptos which is speculated (by me) to have Thebe hidden inside may also be a 20nm APU.
Also in the list it's supposed to be three desktop APUs and three mobile APUs; Richland Devastator/Scrapper (Three Desktop APUs from 32nm to 28 nm NI to SI GPU) and Thebe, Kryptos, Samara, Pennar; four not three mobile APUs. Again Kryptos may contain Thebe and have minor differences; I.E. differences too small to be considered a different APU. Also Kryptos fits no known AMD naming convention.
See edited post for more information
I guess we also now know that the next Xbox SoC project is called Kryptos and the PS4 Soc project is called Thebe. Kryptos, the sculpture at CIA Langly is the Howard Carter account of the King Tut discovery in Thebe's Egypt. Kryptos is hidden in Greek. (bgassassin, OnQ123, jeff_rigby put it together starting with the Sweetvar23 posts)
Did some research and corrected the seronx post. Looking at the list in order gives interesting information for speculation. If GNB (Combining Northbridge and Southbridge) is only 20nm then the last two APUs are 20nm and Samara a 20nm 2013 launch alongside Kabini. So Kyrptos which is speculated (by me) to have Thebe hidden inside may also be a 20nm APU.
Also in the list it's supposed to be three desktop APUs and three mobile APUs; Richland Devastator/Scrapper (Three Desktop APUs from 32nm to 28 nm NI to SI GPU) and Thebe, Kryptos, Samara, Pennar; four not three mobile APUs. Again Kryptos may contain Thebe and have minor differences; I.E. differences too small to be considered a different APU. Also Kryptos fits no known AMD naming convention.
http://www.amdzone.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=532&t=139479&start=25 said:
http://www.indeed.com/r/Rami-Dornala/e0704aad508659b2 said:
See edited post for more information
I guess we also now know that the next Xbox SoC project is called Kryptos and the PS4 Soc project is called Thebe. Kryptos, the sculpture at CIA Langly is the Howard Carter account of the King Tut discovery in Thebe's Egypt. Kryptos is hidden in Greek. (bgassassin, OnQ123, jeff_rigby put it together starting with the Sweetvar23 posts)
Thats the danger of threads like this.
When you start summarising rumours, and rumours of rumours, you get brand new emergent rumours that never existed in the first place.
Durango is currently "on schedule" the delays with the chips were for the initial pressings destined for beta kits.
Everything we have seen suggests they are relatively evenly matched.
PS4 will not launch 2013. The only ones in a position to do so are Microsoft. Expect PS4 March-May 2014.
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
No TLOU date shows that the PS4 will launch in 2013.