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Okay, TeamCG. Come own up to your foolishness. #trolljima
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a man?
and why this man would reveal his face at a conference?
because everything will be revealed at GDC?
owned. Congrats XD
TeamCG has diverse beliefs about what is CG in the video. The null hypothesis is that it's a normal interview, which is why we get everything else. You're right, we win if only the little hair sticking out of his bandage is CG, but that would only be scientific. More practically, it's only an eat crow moment if something is CG that explains why he looks so weird.
Dictator93
Member
That is it. I am taking the plunge!
All this is just too fischy for me.. as a result I vote with my borderline insane thoughts.
All this is just too fischy for me.. as a result I vote with my borderline insane thoughts.
Always-honest
Banned
Well, everyone will have to decide for themselves how wrong they were.Seems like TeamReal is a bit more hardcore but that's fine.
I'm rational enough to realise there is always a chance that even MY eyes could deceive me.
But i'm certain the guy is real.
Of course is real, but is he acting directly in front of the camera or is the face "photoshoped" over the head?. Nobody think is a cg modeled in max and animated by hand, right? The key is the lighting and the shaders in the modified face to hide the trick.
Always-honest
Banned
I think most TeamCG members think the face parts of the guy are CG.
But now they're narrowing it down more and more.
I think the entire head is CG, but I'm not certain. I think this because of the eyelid and neck shadow quirks and I'm not convinced by the explanations offered in this thread (although I concede these explanations might be accurate).
Always-honest
Banned
Okay, that's clear.
I just realized that Joakim Mogren has defined as the head of Moby Dick studios. In my language (not English), the literal translation of "the head" is not the "leader" or "chief" of a company. It literally means "head".
Let see what image metrics do
2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3b0R-N6ZQO4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwAV2fXoy6E
2012 realtime in a tablet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCm_x0yeBnk
angular graphics
Banned
"From FOX, two Phantoms were born."
Obviously Kojima refers to #teamcg and #teamreal. He knows everything guys.
Obviously Kojima refers to #teamcg and #teamreal. He knows everything guys.
ChackanKun
Member
So this was started by 4chan??
Relaxed Muscle
Member
I just realized that Joakim Mogren has defined as the head of Moby Dick studios. In my language (not English), the literal translation of "the head" is not the "leader" or "chief" of a company. It literally means "head".
Let see what image metrics do
2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3b0R-N6ZQO4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwAV2fXoy6E
2012 realtime in a tablet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCm_x0yeBnk
Faceware (which was used on MGS4) was built using Image Metric tech and in a recent interview:
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
... Fuck!
Alright. Fuck this, I'm joining a side now. As much as I'm skeptical and how my brain says #TeamReal is the way to go, deep down inside I don't want it to be real. Deep down inside I want next-gen to blow me away. I want next-gen to confuse old people (like my dad) and make them say "Are you watching a hockey game?" or "What movie is this?"
The closest a game has ever come to confuse my dad was during Fight Night Round 3, and it looked amazing, but we've surpassed that. I want next-gen to fuck with our minds.
Don't disappoint me.
angular graphics
Banned
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
Graphics Horse
Member
Could you explain why a cg head would produce ' neck shadow quirks'? Are there other examples of world leading CG with such issues?
Always-honest
Banned
I just realized that Joakim Mogren has defined as the head of Moby Dick studios. In my language (not English), the literal translation of "the head" is not the "leader" or "chief" of a company. It literally means "head".
Let see what image metrics do
2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3b0R-N6ZQO4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwAV2fXoy6E
2012 realtime in a tablet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCm_x0yeBnk
What country is that?
Anyway, yeah there is great tech. CG can really fool us now if they put enough effort in it.. And there is also really great tech in Game-realism when it comes to faces. No doubt.
I just realized that Joakim Mogren has defined as the head of Moby Dick studios. In my language (not English), the literal translation of "the head" is not the "leader" or "chief" of a company. It literally means "head".
Let see what image metrics do
2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3b0R-N6ZQO4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwAV2fXoy6E
2012 realtime in a tablet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCm_x0yeBnk
Also there is this Sony Patent
Facial animation using motion capture data
Rendering error. The shadow disappears and reappears. Happens in the Phantom Pain trailer even.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSfajBs2nyQ&t=1m23s
Watch the guard's shadow.
Always-honest
Banned
yeah but it doesn't happen a lot in finalised CG (movies). It happens a lot in game engines.
This is a showcase of the Fox Engine.
Graphics Horse
Member
So it's an optimisation for real time based on distance? I see. How does bandaged guy compare to Joakim in terms of detail?
A generational difference (Phantom Pain is current gen or on Vita)
Always-honest
Banned
Joakim you mean. Yeah no way.
Graphics Horse
Member
So the face is next gen but the shadows on the face glitching in ways they don't even in the current gen trailer. I think I understand, thank you.
Phonomezer
Banned
... Fuck!
Alright. Fuck this, I'm joining a side now. As much as I'm skeptical and how my brain says #TeamReal is the way to go, deep down inside I don't want it to be real. Deep down inside I want next-gen to blow me away. I want next-gen to confuse old people (like my dad) and make them say "Are you watching a hockey game?" or "What movie is this?"
The closest a game has ever come to confuse my dad was during Fight Night Round 3, and it looked amazing, but we've surpassed that. I want next-gen to fuck with our minds.
Don't disappoint me.
Phonomezer
Banned
Always-honest
Banned
Relaxed Muscle
Member
Artifacts are not going away next-gen. Shit happens.
Naked Snake
Member
I just realized that Joakim Mogren has defined as the head of Moby Dick studios. In my language (not English), the literal translation of "the head" is not the "leader" or "chief" of a company. It literally means "head".
Let see what image metrics do
2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3b0R-N6ZQO4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwAV2fXoy6E
2012 realtime in a tablet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCm_x0yeBnk
I thought this was very impressive: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=518211
Running on iPad:
Video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBgdfy5mjGg
There is no animation, but the model looks so accurate and realistic.
Graphics Horse
Member
So you believe this is a realtime demonstration?
Kageshinzo
Member
DragonSworne
Banned
Morgen Has MGS5 tattooed on his face ala Peter Moore style.
All will be revealed through a real trailer announced by CG characters at E3
All will be revealed through a real trailer announced by CG characters at E3
DecoyOctopus
Member
Plausible. Looks like the Separable Subsurface Scattering demo but with mocap animation.
bigboss370
Member
i think that part in the trailer is actually "V (he?) has come to", as in, V has woken up.
TeamSanity.
I've always been borderline but pick TeamReal to have a stance. Willing to eat crow, even hope it's CGI for the ensuing hilarity, but I don't see it happening.
Always-honest
Banned
There is quite a difference imo.
This tech demo can be maxed on 5 year old hardware, which might account for that difference. Looks real to me whenever the model isn't overexposed. It looks especially good when he has a partial shadow on his face.
Always-honest
Banned
what hardware do you think this was made on?