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Pope Benedict XVI · Apr 13, 2007

AltogetherAndrews said:
What the hell does that even mean? The dragon is a bully in the same way a tank is a bully; it's a tool of war used to wreak havoc and inspire fear, not some god damned grungy dark unicorn-minded dragon of heroes invoked from the abyss of faith to save mankind.

Dragon/dragon-rider, whatever

I wouldn't really want to play as a tank that just goes around crushing dozens upons dozens of people with apparent ease. That's not generally how tanks are implemented in games. Now it's fine if you're crushing loads of people with ease in a game that's very arcadey or one that's overtly comical - but Lair has a kind of serious mood to it. It's that sombre mood combined with easy devastation of people that makes the ground sections look unattractive to me.

fatigues_gasolini · Apr 13, 2007

Dragons are serious business.

SolidSnakex · Apr 13, 2007

NinSoX said:
Here is a Q&A with Julian Eggebrecht, has this been posted yet? I haven't read it yet but thought you guys might be interested.

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/aei/2007/04/qa_with_factor_5_chief_julian_eggebrecht.html

Seems that he's not a big fan of the UNREAL engine.

dark10x · Apr 13, 2007

Finally saw the videos. I think, for the most part, it looks great. There is just something odd about certain bits...

The fire, for example, doesn't look all that great and really doesn't work with the rest of the visuals. It's a huge technical feat, no doubt, but they really need to clean-up the rough edges before release.

Blimblim · Apr 13, 2007

mckmas8808 said:
Hey Blim can we get a Playsyde, MP4, 720p video?

Not going to happen unless european sites magically get PS3 stuff at the same time as US ones.
So no, it's not going to happen. Ever.

AltogetherAndrews · Apr 13, 2007

What the hell is up with the formatting of that blog?

SolidSnakex · Apr 13, 2007

AltogetherAndrews said:
What the hell is up with the formatting of that blog?

:lol I noticed that too, it took me a long time to read it. His perspective on the whole 360 to PS3 issue is rather interesting.

RavenFox · Apr 13, 2007

Holy Mother at thos HD vids. Man this is really going to own me.

Q: Do you note some things that are good about Lair that we havent seen in a PS 3 title yet?

Launch titles always make some compromises.
A: Yes. Lair basically is the only game out there which gives you a 20,000 feet view as well as the

one meter level view at pretty much the same detail level. Lair is also the only game which does

all of its light in real time, and the atmospheric calculations. That gives us the day and nights

cycle, the fluid dynamic simulations in the water. That wouldnt have been possible half a year

Ceb · Apr 13, 2007

It's nice to hear that the engine is flexible. I appreciate the wide-open nature of LAIR, but I'm curious to see what a game on a smaller scale would look like.

bouc_emissaire · Apr 13, 2007

JB1981 · Apr 13, 2007

bububut it looks like a ps2 game

RavenFox · Apr 13, 2007

wow bouc_emissaire. Damn nice man

USC-fan · Apr 13, 2007

JB1981 said:
bububut it looks like a ps2 game

no its was ps1 game.... :lol :lol

Oni Jazar · Apr 13, 2007

NinSoX said:
Here is a Q&A with Julian Eggebrecht, has this been posted yet? I haven't read it yet but thought you guys might be interested.

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/aei/2007/04/qa_with_factor_5_chief_julian_eggebrecht.html

Great interview. Julian is the man.

KTallguy · Apr 13, 2007

bouc_emissaire said:
Images

Nope, still looks crap.

Ceb · Apr 13, 2007

Was the scene in which the last pic taken a real-time cutscene? It looked like it had some light shimmering, but on the other hand it just seemed to be way more polished than the rest of the stuff shown.

captive · Apr 13, 2007

bouc_emissaire said:
http://generationdreamteam.free.fr/afrika/lair/lairavril1.jpg[img]
[img]http://generationdreamteam.free.fr/afrika/lair/lairavril2.jpg[img]
[img]http://generationdreamteam.free.fr/afrika/lair/lairavril3.jpg[img]
[img]http://generationdreamteam.free.fr/afrika/lair/lairavril4.jpg[img]
[img]http://generationdreamteam.free.fr/afrika/lair/lairavril5.jpg[img]
[img]http://generationdreamteam.free.fr/afrika/lair/lairavril6.jpg[img]
[img]http://generationdreamteam.free.fr/afrika/lair/lairavril7.jpg[img]
[img]http://generationdreamteam.free.fr/afrika/lair/lairavril8.jpg[img]
[img]http://generationdreamteam.free.fr/afrika/lair/lairavril9.jpg[img]
[img]http://generationdreamteam.free.fr/afrika/lair/lairavril10.jpg[img][/QUOTE]
Yup, downgrade total. PS1 game, good thing my PS2 and my PS3 are backwards compatible.

nelsonroyale · Apr 13, 2007

I wonder if lair is using the same engine as this? The flame must have had a downgrade though.

peace

Aleman · Apr 13, 2007

I don't think anything this gen has impressed me as much as the water in this game. Yesterday I questioned Sony what "true" next-gen meant... this game pretty much answers it.

kassatsu · Apr 13, 2007

captive said:
Yup, downgrade total. PS1 game, good thing my PS2 and my PS3 are backwards compatible.

:lol :lol :lol

CamHostage · Apr 13, 2007

antiloop said:
Any other source than gamevideos? I can't stream from gamevideos..

Every site has its own set of footage, apparently. So look for cheater mirrors, I guess.

Blimblim said:
There is no editing in gametrailers' video either. Heck, you get some poping noise when it switches from on scene to another.

kaching said:
Did I say the editing in the GT trailer was perfect? No, I didn't. Preferable to IGN's efforts? Yes, very much so.

Look closely, it's all footage cut from the same reel. Looks like Sony or F5 captured a long segment, then Sony cut it up for the various sites out there who have the footage rights, and that got dumped out to tapes for each site.

There's a post about the clip quality concerns on the IGN board, if you're on there.

cicatriz · Apr 13, 2007

mckmas8808 · Apr 13, 2007

Great pics bouc.

kaching · Apr 13, 2007

CamHostage said:
Look closely, it's all footage cut from the same reel.

Yeah, I figured as much and mentioned it before as well.

Ploid 3.0 · Apr 13, 2007

At first I was going to pass this game up, but now I want it. It don't have the hume pilot ground combat of Drakan (I think that game is pretty good even now) but it seems like it will more than make up for it in superior air and gta style world. I like freedom, wonder if there will be much to do in it though. Will there be side quests, different things to keep you busy? Maybe a monster hunt like feature where you find hard to kill creatures (sea snake for example but way harder to kill, and more dangerious to face).

Ceb · Apr 13, 2007

Ploid 3.0 said:
Will there be side quests, different things to keep you busy? Maybe a monster hunt like feature where you find hard to kill creatures (sea snake for example but way harder to kill, and more dangerious to face).

Highly doubt it, but that would be neat. I really hope the environments aren't just made up of cliffs, mountain ranges and rock ad nauseum. SotC should serve as an inspiration for this, but once again, I really doubt that Factor 5 will let you explore the world in peace.

theBishop · Apr 13, 2007

NinSoX said:
Here is a Q&A with Julian Eggebrecht, has this been posted yet? I haven't read it yet but thought you guys might be interested.

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/aei/2007/04/qa_with_factor_5_chief_julian_eggebrecht.html

This was interesting:

Youll have a hard time if you port without having a PS 3 game in mind when you created the 360 version. That is where a lot of complaints are coming from. They created the 360 engine with a unified memory architecture in mind, with the embedded frame buffer with its advantages and disadvantages, and not thinking too much in early stages about multicore.

If you try to get that over to the PS3, youre in for a bad surprise. The PS3 is all about streamlining about the two different memory pools. They are separate. You dont have to do tiling because you dont have an embedded frame buffer. All of these advantages of the PS3 turn into disadvantages if you dont start making your game on the PS3. Hence the griping.

If you create first on the PS3, it is pretty easy to port it to the 360. A lot of companies coming on board now will probably start on the PS3 and move to the 360. The lucky thing for us is we didnt have to think about the 360 at all.

MassiveAttack · Apr 13, 2007

nelsonroyale said:
I wonder if lair is using the same engine as this? The flame must have had a downgrade though.

peace

Recycle much? It's this kind of idiocy which turns GAF into a cesspool of baseless ranting.

nelsonroyale · Apr 13, 2007

MassiveAttack said:
Recycle much? It's this kind of idiocy which turns GAF into a cesspool of baseless ranting.

my post history...you must check

hyonoid · Apr 13, 2007

cicatriz said:

host in other server. Imageshack crap yellow frog coming soon

http://xs.to/ is good to host images.

MassiveAttack · Apr 13, 2007

nelsonroyale said:
my post history...you must check

I see. My apologies. I took your post out of context.

acklame · Apr 13, 2007

JB1981 said:
bububut it looks like a ps2 game

no man, it's:

ps1 total!

jaggies everywhere

absolutely horrid!

Yea. Lair is so ugly.

spwolf · Apr 14, 2007

The 512 is probably the sweet spot. You have to figure out how

to stream. Lair streams its geometry and its textures. If you have got enough assets which are

streaming, the 512 megabytes are adequate. And if you have a large enough media to store those

textures.

hehe

60_gig_PS3 · Apr 14, 2007

I like the part where he latched on and was swinging from the grappling hook.

I take back my hate for this game.

nelsonroyale · Apr 14, 2007

MassiveAttack said:
I see. My apologies. I took your post out of context.

no probs...Im damn hyped for this game...some parts look flat out incredible to me...especially the dragon model...which you can see clearly in the grassy section..!!

peace

Sandman7 · Apr 14, 2007

These gametrailer vids seem to silenced the dissenting voices. Or maybe they have all been banned. Or maybe I am speaking too soon. Anyway the lack of negative posts in the past few pages speak volumes.

mckmas8808 · Apr 14, 2007

60_gig_PS3 said:
I like the part where he latched on and was swinging from the grappling hook.

Yeah I like that part too.

bouc_emissaire · Apr 14, 2007

Joe211 · Apr 14, 2007

theBishop said:
This was interesting:

yeah at least he gives us some explanations and I hope devs take the PS3 as the leading platform (like Criterion)

DemonSwordsman · Apr 14, 2007

OMG the gametrailer videos look amazing. I want this game now. I want whatever your people are smoking if this game looks ps1 to you.

Only thing is fire didnt look that good but really everything else is amazing.

Lagaff · Apr 14, 2007

NinSoX said:
Here is a Q&A with Julian Eggebrecht, has this been posted yet? I haven't read it yet but thought you guys might be interested.

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/aei/2007/04/qa_with_factor_5_chief_julian_eggebrecht.html

interesting

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