Fixed, don't know why you said he doesn't belong, because he does. And seriously Iwould love to see the reasoning why he doesn't fit iinto Smash. (as a side note, I am making the official 20th anniversary thread for Megaman but won't be done till later(maybe at the end of the week?)MrNibbles said:
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MrNibbles said:
actually, they could use Megaman as a clone of Samus (not that I would want it)
Missle > cutman's blades
bomb > Soccer ball (dropped and it sticks around and can be kicked, MvC style)
Screw attack > leaf shield
Grapple beam > chain rod (granted Zero used this, whatever)
actually typed out that seems really stupid, Megaman could only really take the charge shot from Samus.
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ant1532 said:
or like Captain Falcon and Ganondorf...
ShockingAlberto
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I think Mega Man as a Kirby clone would be pretty funny.
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ShockingAlberto said:
if megaman is in the game, id imagine when Kirby cloned him, he would look like the powered up megaman.
Everything's evened out in SSB anyway; Pikachu/Jigglypuff being just half the size of Mario, for example. (And yet for some reason all the Pokemon that come out of Poke Balls are scaled basically to what they're supposed to be.)Xavien said:
That said, I don't see it happening. I'm too cynical to think that--if there were any other Metroid characters added, I'd fully expect something lame like Dark Samus.
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ant1532 said:
thats actually a good idea, having megaman weapon copy like Kirby for a set amount of shots.
Christopher
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Besides MetaKnight what about the Penguin Kirby is always fighting, isn't he essentially Kirby's "Bowser" more so than MetaKnight?
Eteric Rice
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What happens if Kirby absorbs MetaKnight? 
StrikerObi
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The fundamental problem with Mega Man having weapon copy is that while Kirby gets copies from swallowing things, Mega Man gets them from killing them.
Sure, Kirby normally kills stuff in the process, but it's easy enough for smash bros to have him just poop them out after he gets the power. What's Mega Man to do? He just shoots and kills.
Mega Man should just come with a set of "all star" powers from the games. So basically, all the powers should be from Mega Man 2. Plus, Rush should be his triple-jump UP+B move.
Sure, Kirby normally kills stuff in the process, but it's easy enough for smash bros to have him just poop them out after he gets the power. What's Mega Man to do? He just shoots and kills.
Mega Man should just come with a set of "all star" powers from the games. So basically, all the powers should be from Mega Man 2. Plus, Rush should be his triple-jump UP+B move.
Eteric Rice
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Zyid said:
Don't think so, but this is Smash Bros after all.
ShockingAlberto
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Kinda. He's more like Kirby's rival than his arch-nemesis. And Dedede has been a good guy before, Metaknight's just sort of a dick.Christopher said:
SAT-ized!
Kirby:Metaknight::
A) Mario:Bowser
B) Link:Ganon
C) Captain Falcon:Samurai Goroh
D) Captain Falcon:Blood Falcon
The answer is
C
Traditionally, Kirby always fought Meta Knight with a sword but the sword's headgear is a green nightcap, which is probably too similar to Link's.Eteric Rice said:What happens if Kirby absorbs MetaKnight?
Maybe he'll get Meta Knight's mantle.
WastingPenguins
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Regarding the Sheik gender argument-- There really isn't a "true" correct answer. The way I see it, there are a few possibilities:
1) Sheik is just Zelda in costume: The features of Sheik that we CAN see-- hair, eyes, nose, skin color, musculature-- do not match up with Zelda. To me, this seems to indicate that there is more at work than a simple costume. This is a possibility, however.
2) Sheik is a magical illusion: Is Zelda capable of magic? If she is, she might be casting some sort of illusion spell to change her appearance.
3) If Zelda is capable of magic, perhaps she ACTUALLY transforms into a man. Yes, penis and all: This is the most controversial of the options. :lol You can yammer about why you don't think this could be true, but in a world of magic, I don't see why it's not at least a possibility. From what I've heard (and don't quote me on this, I might be misinformed), the OoT manga that was released around the time of the game said that Zelda did ndeed transform herself into a man to disguise herself. Weird, I know. :lol
Bottom line? OoT, the game-- the ONLY source that really matters-- never says which of these is true. Therefore we can only speculate as to what the original character designer intended. Arguing about it is kind of pointless, I'm not sure there IS a real answer.
1) Sheik is just Zelda in costume: The features of Sheik that we CAN see-- hair, eyes, nose, skin color, musculature-- do not match up with Zelda. To me, this seems to indicate that there is more at work than a simple costume. This is a possibility, however.
2) Sheik is a magical illusion: Is Zelda capable of magic? If she is, she might be casting some sort of illusion spell to change her appearance.
3) If Zelda is capable of magic, perhaps she ACTUALLY transforms into a man. Yes, penis and all: This is the most controversial of the options. :lol You can yammer about why you don't think this could be true, but in a world of magic, I don't see why it's not at least a possibility. From what I've heard (and don't quote me on this, I might be misinformed), the OoT manga that was released around the time of the game said that Zelda did ndeed transform herself into a man to disguise herself. Weird, I know. :lol
Bottom line? OoT, the game-- the ONLY source that really matters-- never says which of these is true. Therefore we can only speculate as to what the original character designer intended. Arguing about it is kind of pointless, I'm not sure there IS a real answer.
Eteric Rice
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I think Shiek is an illusion, personally.
NeonZ
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"All star" set = failure. They've already pulled that in Marvel VS Capcom, and I hope they won't do it here if they decide to include him. Besides, Kirby always kills stuff in the process in his own games- he kills normal enemies by eating them and has to first knock out the sub-bosses before eating them, but that isn't necessary in Smash.
There are several alternatives to keep Megaman's gimmick around:
1-Simply keep the system of getting the power of whoever he kills. It's not like people only have 1 life in Smash... People die, leave shinning orb behind, Megaman gets it and gets a new weapon.
2-When people are hit by his charged beam or charged smash attack, a glowing orb falls from them and Megaman has to get it to steal their power.
3-They could also just pull the same stunt that the American cartoon did- include a close range grab-like B move, he copies the power if he grabs the other person successfully.
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Dechaios said:
Even if it were, there's no telling if that means "transform into a man" or simply "transform into a different-looking woman".
For the record, the English Melee trophy description goes as follows:
My personal opinion of this? I wouldn't put too much stock into it. The people writing trophy descriptions for Smash had nothing to do with creating the character. It DOES seem that the Smash localization team decided that Sheik is a female with a magical disguise, but like I said-- the only sources that would matter (to me, at least) are OoT and the character designer, neither of which, to my knowledge, have specified. If you take Smash trophy descriptions as the Nintendo gospel, that's fine too, I wouldn't argue.
Some other weird things to think about, in any case: even if Zelda transforms herself into a man (with a penis!), wouldn't you call her a "she" anyway? If my high school science teacher developed a high-tech body-swapping machine and through a wacky set of circumstances I would up changing bodies with a chick, I'd still think of myself as a "he"... cause wouldn't I still be a man deep down, woman's body or not? :lol
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WastingPenguins said:
Doesn't Ruto refer to Sheik as a man when you meet her in the Water Temple ?
NeonZ said:
Yeah, like if he grapples someone he can steal their power or something. I think it would be neat if instead copying an exact power from the foe, he steals a classic move from the mega man games. Like, if he copied Link, he'd get Quick Boomerang from MM2. Then it would all be a question of who can he copy Metal Blade from
..pakbeka..
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they could just use one weapon from each megaman game, for example:
megaman's up+B = TORNADO HOLD
megaman's up+B = TORNADO HOLD
the disguise workedHoly Order Sol said:
WastingPenguins
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Holy Order Sol said:
Does she? In any case, this doesn't prove anything-- it just shows that Ruto thought that Sheik was a dude... not that Sheik was actually a dude.
There is just no proving it either way.
WastingPenguins said:
You're wrong though. First off, yes, Zelda is capable of magic. She's one of the 7 sages, and uses magic in SSBM anyway, Din's Fire, Naryu's Love and so forth are her attacks.
However, the fact that Sheik and Zelda 'appear' to look different can be completely dismissed by costuming, and requires no magic at all. I'm guessing you've never done any serious theatre acting, but for a character who is completely covered head to toe in tight fitting clothing there are numberous ways to alter her perceived height, musculature, breast size, hair & eye color, she doesn't even need magic.
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justchris said:
I said "could be costume, could be something else, no way to know"... how am I wrong? :lol
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WastingPenguins said:
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WastingPenguins said:
You also said:
WastingPenguins said:
All I was saying is that those features don't really indicate there is more at work than a costume. Although, admittedly, it wouldn't be a 'simple' costume, but it could be done with mundane, non-magical, materials. Even at the presumed Hylian tech level.
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justchris said:
Fair enough, I guess I assume it has to be more than a simple costume and makeup is because she does it instantly. POOF I'm Sheik. Though I guess she could just be using magic to put on a costume real quick. :lol
Maybe tomorrow is time to put another song!!?!? Please yes! I hope they put some Zelda Stage Theme, or something like that... Or MGS Stage Theme please.
Do you really think Zelda have that body!! Whoa! Imagine that... She could hit Link! to many muscles... like Madonna, LOL :lol
Do you really think Zelda have that body!! Whoa! Imagine that... She could hit Link! to many muscles... like Madonna, LOL :lol
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210 minutes until MINI-MEGATON! (always the chance of a megaton, though!)
Taking a wild guess, and this has most likely already been assumed somewhere in this thread, but if there are going to be any new characters to show off it will be done each Friday update.
I'm guessing today might show off Fox since last Wed they did the Mario & Link double.
I'm guessing today might show off Fox since last Wed they did the Mario & Link double.
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DavidDayton said:
Why not? Nintendo already did it once with Birdo.
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