ShockingAlberto said:This is a new, completely never before heard of idea.
Snake and Zero Suit Samus get no love?A Link to the Snitch said:It just occurred to me - there's only one character that we know of that still doesn't have a page (Meta Knight).
I'm predicting him as being the next update.
WindyMan said:
Zeed said:Snake and Zero Suit Samus get no love?
:lol :lol :lolWindyMan said:
unless you could throw it off the stage and simply not be able to activate it if you have already used it.superbank said:There will only be 1 Smash Ball per match is how I interpret it. 1 per character doesn't make sense. If I can get to it first it should be mine to use even if I did a Final Smash already. If the game denies the usage of Smash Ball on your second try than its basically free kills for your opponent.
So Smash Ball can appear once per match, or not at all. Its a rare item. Whoever gets to it first can use it.
scola said:unless you could throw it off the stage and simply not be able to activate it if you have already used it.
A Link to the Snitch said:Zero Suit Samus will probably be the result of Samus' Final Smash, so it'll be a character update, not a new character section.
And Solid Snake doesn't count!
If the game denies the usage of Smash Ball on your second try than its basically free kills for your opponent.
A Link to the Snitch said:Zero Suit Samus will probably be the result of Samus' Final Smash, so it'll be a character update, not a new character section.
WindyMan said:
scola said:unless you could throw it off the stage and simply not be able to activate it if you have already used it.
NeonZ said:If it allows the same person to use it twice then it'll be giving free kills to someone.
This discussion has been done to death, but I'm of the position that even if Samus' Final Smash turns her into ZSS, there's no way that's going to be the only way to turn into ZSS. Thus far she's been treated as her own character (in the trailer, on the last website), and there are a few discrepancies in the old trailer that make me wary about jumping to too many conclusions here.A Link to the Snitch said:Zero Suit Samus will probably be the result of Samus' Final Smash, so it'll be a character update, not a new character section!
superbank said:
superbank said:I think its more likely it will just appear once instead.
Raging Spaniard said:Holy crap assumptions!
Having two different versions of Samus as two different selectable characters makes perfect sense, why think otherwise?
By your logic, Doctor Mario wouldnt have been his own character either, but rather Mario making a special move, thus transforming into the Doctor, right?
Ah, but that scene is separate from the Final Smash scenes, and what's more, Samus does not glow orange like all the other characters do when they perform their Final Smashes. Now, the blast she fires is ridiculously huge, so it may very well be her Final Smash, but assuming that it is contradicts what we know about Final Smashes, so it's not a reasonable conclusion to jump to just yet.A Link to the Snitch said:...Dr. Mario was a clone added at the very last minute for the purpose of adding to the character roster.
Also, we SEE Samus lose her suit. Why the Hell would they put that into the trailer if there won't be transformation involved?
NeonZ said:If that was the case, why didn't he say that the Smash Ball only appeared once? The 'only once' description was talking about the Final Smash, not the Smash Ball. Of course, with only one Smash ball, you'd have a single Final Smash, but, if that was correct, that would be a really indirect way to describe it.
Firestorm said::lol
If you don't post this in the next VGCats thread where that comic will inevitably be posted, I will.
going by that logic every battle with snake will have a codec conversation with the colonel before it starts, since that's how it was in the trailerA Link to the Snitch said:...Dr. Mario was a clone added at the very last minute for the purpose of adding to the character roster.
Also, we SEE Samus lose her suit. Why the Hell would they put that into the trailer if there won't be transformation involved?
..pakbeka.. said:going by that logic every battle with snake will have a codec conversation with the colonel before it starts, since that's how it was in the trailer
So your argument is that the two characters are so different that Zero Suit Samus couldn't possibly be her own character? I, um, can't quite wrap my head around that logic.A Link to the Snitch said:And by my logic, Zero Suit Samus would be nothing more than a modified version of Samus.
Dr. Mario = same moves, different physiques
Two different Samuses = different moves, different physiques.
At no point are they the same.
Your argument is confusing to say the least, but going back to what we're actually arguing over, for whatever reason you seem to think that ZSS won't be added as her own character entry. I disagree. I'm prepared to eat crow if I'm wrong - are you?A Link to the Snitch said:And by my logic, Zero Suit Samus would be nothing more than a modified version of Samus.
Dr. Mario = same moves, different physiques
Two different Samuses = different moves, different physiques.
At no point are they the same.
Scenario 1: Smash ball is super rare and may not even appear after 3 matches. When it appears you better run as fast as you can to get to it! It is very rewarding to use your Final Smash.
Scenario 2: Smash Ball appears 4 times during a match if you have 4 players. Run quickly to grab it first! You've performed your final smash, lots of kills! Haha. Another smash ball appears. Defend, DEFEND! You cant let your opponents use it! Successfully defended. Now lets get back to fighting. Oh Shi- another smash ball?! Defend it with your life! You don't want to be killed!... MOTHER**** another one! AUUUGH this is annoying!
farnham said:then she looses half of her power
A Link to the Snitch said:My argument is how the Hell is Dr. Mario's existence showing that Zero Suit Samus could exist separately? Dr. Mario was created at the last minute and has a similar moveset. Zero Suit Samus would have to be a unique character to Samus. They are similar situations under no circumstances.
Seriously, SSB fans, ever consider taking a step back and looking at your posts and realizing that you're getting offended over someone's speculation of SSBB?
Video game, reality, look them up - one is a bit less important.
I gave my observation, and it became a debate because a handful of people decided that it was worth fighting over. Yeah.
Son of Godzilla said:I think this board is in desperate need of a parser that turns "will probably" and "probably will" to "HOLY CRAP GUYS IM TALKING OUT OF MY ASS!@!" with giant red text and fireworks.
Also maybe just a SSB specific one that automatically converts any post with speculation about stuff that hasn't been 400% confirmed into a dinosaur comic. Especially ones making some half assed appeal to "logic".
no... she does not gain in %.. her overall attack power becomes weaker... but she is speedier instead..MasterMFauli said:So...she gets pushed to 500% ?
nu uh... this would mean that everybody wants to get in 8th place since you get the best items...Soneet said:Maybe you can turn into Zero Suit Samus by overcharging your power beam as regular Samus.
1. To wait for a smash ball to play as Zero Suit Samus is kind of silly.
2. Selecting Zero Suit Samus is kind of silly because that defeats the -zero suit, armor breaking down- effect.
3. I think there's only 1 smash ball per match in regular games. Custom games however...
- My reasoning behind this is ... running through a smash ball seems stupid (only picking up once)
- Taking a smash ball but not using it seems also stupid
- Using it multiple times seems to be impossible.
Secret nr.
4. Maybe it's 1 smash ball per life. If the original user dies, there's a chance for it to drop again. That way you can always get it multiple times.
6. Then again, you don't want the game turn too much into Mario Kart, where items determine everything. Some luck is nice, but not too much.
Why don't you name some names, because the straw man shit is getting old.Somnid said:You have to realize that some of these people are absolutely insane...To them Smash is their reality.
You just have to recognize that you can't make logical headway against some, just forget it and move on.
Zeed said:Why don't you name some names, because the straw man shit is getting old.
NeonZ said:In a long match, though, it would become just irrelevant, even more so considering how they aren't automatic hits. Then, there's also the huge advantage characters with better movement would have compared to the slower ones.
NeonZ said:See? That adds elements of skill, tension and balance for every character. It definitely sounds like the better idea.
Somnid said:For the Final Smash it sounds like each character can use one once and after that it doesn't work. Kinda like using healing items at full health you can absorb it so others can't get it but you won't be able to make use of it. It can drop an unlimited number of times too but with low probablility and once everyone's used one it becomes useless.
Regardless, it'll probably be a user setting anyway. I'd be willing to bet you can go into options and set the number of Smash balls/usages and what-not.
Filter said:I think it's more likely, seeing that the smash ball is supposedly a very rare item that you will be lucky to see it show up once in every ten matches. multiple times in a match would drastically reduce the wow factor.
Alright, since you've graduated from simply not making sense to just being a jackass, let's go over what you're accusing me of.A Link to the Snitch said:Zeed.
There's one.
Oh shit, I compete in fan-made tournaments? This is news to me - I'm not good enough at this game to even beat my friends. As a matter of fact, I've never been to any SSBM tournaments in my life. GTFO!They travel the country to compete in fan-made tournaments
Considering that I only play SSBM when friends are over, I can't say that I recall ever spending "hundreds of hours trying to shave miliseconds off of" my time with them. What is this even referring to? The stupid target breaking minigame?they spend hundreds of hours trying to shave miliseconds off of their time in a mini-game.
I can't even wave-dash (I don't even really know what it is!), nor do I ever intend to learn how.They've spent the last 6 years playing Smash developing stategies
Somnid said:You have to realize that some of these people are absolutely insane. They travel the country to compete in fan-made tournaments, they spend hundreds of hours trying to shave miliseconds off of their time in a mini-game. They've spent the last 6 years playing Smash developing stategies, and playing tens of thousands of matches. To them Smash is their reality.
You just have to recognize that you can't make logical headway against some, just forget it and move on. Once the game comes out then all this becomes pointless and forgotten.
They would be as irrelevant as a Hammer. Faster>Slower applies to all items. Why should the Smash Ball be different?
... No. That changes the game into "Defend This Position!" Instead of "Free-For-All Fight". There is no item in Smash Bros where you have to defend it and you cannot move it or use it. If you want a Defend Mode maybe they could make it a Special Melee category.
Zeed said:Why don't you name some names, because the straw man shit is getting old.
I find it interesting then, that you found Snitch's arguments (or at least his resulting outburst after being told he was wrong) worthy of support, at the same time that you accuse unnamed, nebulous posters of "making mountains out of mole hills".Somnid said:Obviousy, I do have a few in mind, but I know where this is going. I'm not going to derail this thread into some sort of witch-hunt. I'll end this right here, and I'm not going to pick it up again. I'm just warning that some posts need to be selectively acknowldged because many users in here insist on making mountains out of mole hills and will overthink the hell out of just about everything, getting into silly debates over hair-color and the meaning of the word "cancel."
NeonZ said:In any case, you still haven't said anything about how your interpretation makes sense considering the wording of the original article. Arguing our preferences is rather wasteful in a situation like this, considering how we're trying to speculate about the game.
Zeed said:Alright, since you've graduated from simply not making sense to just being a jackass, let's go over what you're accusing me of.
Oh shit, I compete in fan-made tournaments? This is news to me - I'm not good enough at this game to even beat my friends. As a matter of fact, I've never been to any SSBM tournaments in my life. GTFO!
Considering that I only play SSBM when friends are over, I can't say that I recall ever spending "hundreds of hours trying to shave miliseconds off of" my time with them. What is this even referring to? The stupid target breaking minigame?
I can't even wave-dash (I don't even really know what it is!), nor do I ever intend to learn how.
I still play the game occasionally, with items on and with random stages, and I have a shitload of fun with my buddies. That's why I'm looking forward to SSBB, and that's why I'm here. Now what you're trying to do is label me as someone for whom "Smash is their life", simply because I'm doing the same exact thing you are and have been doing - discussing SSBB on GAF.
Newsflash - you are a 20 year old with nearly 3,500 posts on an online gaming forum that you have been a member of for two years. You're not any less of a nerd than anyone in this thread. If you think arguing about SSBB is so stupid, here's an idea - get down off your high horse and stop doing it.
Actually, considering just how much you were bitching on the last page, yes.A Link to the Snitch said:Does it look like I care?
I'm not getting into a "You started it!" exchange with you, but you've undeniably been a willing participant in that same argument right up until the point where you realized that no one agreed with you and that you looked silly. At which point you started resorting to shit like this:Arguing about SSBB =/= what you're doing. You're creating an argument for no reason other than to argue.
Aside from your apparent perception that there are multiple realities (that's some heavy shit, man), you seem to present yourself as more in touch with "a reality". By the very virtue of being on this forum, in this thread, and arguing with me, you clearly are not.PLEASE, for the love of God, go find a reality and get a grasp on it. Stop unnecessarily being confrontational.
Zeed said:I'm not getting into a "You started it!" exchange with you, but you've undeniably been a willing participant in that same argument right up until the point where you realized that no one agreed with you and that you looked silly. At which point you started resorting to shit like this: