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Downsampling, a simple method for making your pc-games look better.
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Woah! thank you! i gotta pay more attention lol
Thanks, this is a great guide. I think I'm doing it right?
The most I tried was 3200x1800, I'll be trying other resolutions later. Skyrim was crushed, well below 30fps, but with the ENB turned off it runs smoothly
http://i.minus.com/imO23c3eliiS.jpg
Alice Madness Returns works well for the most part, but freezes every now and then. I think it's because of PhysX, I had it on medium.
http://i.minus.com/ibxppr82QYBIUE.jpg
Borderlands 2 works nicely, I had to bump a few things down like distance quality or w/e it's called.
http://i.minus.com/iBprkeWqSXY5K.jpg
http://i.minus.com/iAZOIjp8lJTc4.jpg
The most I tried was 3200x1800, I'll be trying other resolutions later. Skyrim was crushed, well below 30fps, but with the ENB turned off it runs smoothly
http://i.minus.com/imO23c3eliiS.jpg
Alice Madness Returns works well for the most part, but freezes every now and then. I think it's because of PhysX, I had it on medium.
http://i.minus.com/ibxppr82QYBIUE.jpg
Borderlands 2 works nicely, I had to bump a few things down like distance quality or w/e it's called.
http://i.minus.com/iBprkeWqSXY5K.jpg
http://i.minus.com/iAZOIjp8lJTc4.jpg
Hey all,
So I have a GTX 680, and a Pioneer KRP-500m hooked up to my computer via HDMI, and it lets me set the scaling to GPU on both displays.
Before I hooked up the TV, downsampling was fine, but now in Clone mode, I'm not able to create any custom resolutions, and my previously created custom resolutions have been "erased". If I either disable the connection to the TV or change the display mode to "Extend", then the resolutions come back.
Any way to get this to work in Clone mode?
So I have a GTX 680, and a Pioneer KRP-500m hooked up to my computer via HDMI, and it lets me set the scaling to GPU on both displays.
Before I hooked up the TV, downsampling was fine, but now in Clone mode, I'm not able to create any custom resolutions, and my previously created custom resolutions have been "erased". If I either disable the connection to the TV or change the display mode to "Extend", then the resolutions come back.
Any way to get this to work in Clone mode?
bigfunkychiken
Member
what exactly is it about AMDdownsamplingGUI that doesn't work with the new drivers? Because I have 13.6 Beta 2 and I successfully added custom resolutions through the program.
I tried to apply one and.. well.. it fucked up. Finally did get it fixed but it would glitch my screen up and then force a restart.
I tried to apply one and.. well.. it fucked up. Finally did get it fixed but it would glitch my screen up and then force a restart.
Did anyone figure out how to use downsampling to a resolution that is *lower* than your native res? I think this could be great for those who want larger fonts in certain games w/o losing much image quality. Would love to figure this out for strategy games and RPGs that I'd like to play in comfy couch mode.
jediyoshi
Member
Wouldn't work that way. AMD drivers already support a feature that let's you scale lower resolutions up to native, but image quality wise it's just then a toss up between whether that looks better than your monitor's internal scaler.
Dictator93
Member
jim2point0
Banned
Haha, looks like another resolution is joining the family
Not mentioning HOW is making me very sad. Tell us!
Special timings? Fairy dust? Titan exclusivity?
Haha, looks like another resolution is joining the family
I thought the max playable res was ~2160p?
Surprisingly it's on automatic timings however at 30Hz, which performance wise isn't a problem as it's a screenshot resolution but being below 60Hz means I need to set it before entering a game and some games won't recognize it. SRWE Tool to the rescue then.
jim2point0
Banned
Actually being able to set your desktop resolution to that would solve a lot of problems I have with a few games.
Borderlands 2, Dishonored, Chivalry, Dark Souls (not so much a problem with DSFix) are all games that resize to my DESKTOP resolution in windowed mode (there are others as well). So being able to set it higher than 4K means I can get even higher windowed mode resolutions, regardless of being able to select that resolution in-game.
Can't wait to try that when I get home! Nice find, sir.
Borderlands 2, Dishonored, Chivalry, Dark Souls (not so much a problem with DSFix) are all games that resize to my DESKTOP resolution in windowed mode (there are others as well). So being able to set it higher than 4K means I can get even higher windowed mode resolutions, regardless of being able to select that resolution in-game.
Can't wait to try that when I get home! Nice find, sir.
MrRoderick
Member
Ah you're lucky! My poor abused 2408wfp will have nothing to do with this resolution 
Though... perhaps it is that I am not using dual-link dvi? I never ventured into figuring that stuff out, since 4k was working on my dvi, and dvi-hdmi cables.
A sidenote that some may find interesting:
Alot of AV people will moan about their TV handling 24p movies properly and all that yadda yadda, and they have a point. Most screens are stuck to 60hz, and thus use 3:2 pulldown for 24p content (most screens meaning most computer monitors and alot of TVs, but TVs have gotten better about it thanks to 120hz). With our EDID override tools, we can make a 24hz resolution, and then you will be able to have proper film like playback of your movies, if you watch any on your computer (I do).
There is real benefit, its not just a nagging spec. It's most noticeable in a panning shot, where you see the frame judder rhythmically.
Seriously though I think my 2408 is going to explode soon.
Though... perhaps it is that I am not using dual-link dvi? I never ventured into figuring that stuff out, since 4k was working on my dvi, and dvi-hdmi cables.
A sidenote that some may find interesting:
Alot of AV people will moan about their TV handling 24p movies properly and all that yadda yadda, and they have a point. Most screens are stuck to 60hz, and thus use 3:2 pulldown for 24p content (most screens meaning most computer monitors and alot of TVs, but TVs have gotten better about it thanks to 120hz). With our EDID override tools, we can make a 24hz resolution, and then you will be able to have proper film like playback of your movies, if you watch any on your computer (I do).
There is real benefit, its not just a nagging spec. It's most noticeable in a panning shot, where you see the frame judder rhythmically.
Seriously though I think my 2408 is going to explode soon.
Too bad. Would have liked to downsample from 2160p (or something like that) to 720p on my 1080p HDTV. Would have been great for playing in 3D and making the text larger in strategy games and RPGs.
jim2point0
Banned
Ah you're lucky! My poor abused 2408wfp will have nothing to do with this resolution
Though... perhaps it is that I am not using dual-link dvi? I never ventured into figuring that stuff out, since 4k was working on my dvi, and dvi-hdmi cables.
Does a monitor have to be built specifically for dual-link? Makes sense that such a high resolution would require dual-link (now that I've read up on it a bit).
MrRoderick
Member
Well insofar as the input needs to support it, but I think most modern monitors do. For me, I just don't have a dual link cable.
I'm curious though as to whether the limiting factor is only cable bandwidth/pixel clock, or if the monitor has specifics to itself that doesn't let it reach past a certain multiple of its native res. My max seems to be 4k, 2x my native. Sethos' 3200p would be 2x his native. And some people with 1440x900 screens and such seem not to be able to get 4k, maybe they max at 1800p?
Anyone got an answer for this? I hate doing extended desktop since I can't see my TV from the other room.
jim2point0
Banned
Well. I tried it. There's no way I can do it. You might be right about the double resolution limitation. I suspect Sethos is one of the few on GAF capable of reaching that resolution via straight downsampling.
Though I'm curious. 2560x1440 should be able to reach 5120x2880 by that logic, and I've been thinking about a 2560x1440 monitor. But I haven't heard too much about the downsampling capabilities of various 1440p monitors and which ones are best.
MrRoderick
Member
I think anyone with Sethos' monitor, or any 1600p monitor, and a modern nvidia card could achieve it. By the same logic, I'd be willing to bet alot that a 1440p monitor could reach 2880p. My estimation is that the scaling interface between the card and the monitor likely always has a 2x limit and range with today's tech. Nvidia should just release their own driver-side version of SRWE or something! That'd be wonderful.
Though, knowing you, I'd think you might want to look at the purty new 21:9 monitors that have come out. Personally it's what I plan to do once this monitor does die.
Props, Sethos, downsample king!
It works just fine on my Aquos. I'm not sure why it wouldn't work with others.
Perhaps it's a *hz thing. Try 30hz, 60hz, 59hz, and....ummm...120hz
Edt**
Oh, forgot to mention I'm using an nVidia card...not AMD.
Could be that too.
For what it's worth I have a 1080p monitor.
I was able to set it to 3841x2160 at 30hz and it worked, but 3840x2161 at 30hz did not work.
MrRoderick
Member
Yeah. Same here, I can 2400, but 1px extra either way and its no go. I think it's like this:
The monitor/cable quality determines how high a Hz you can get away with, not the res you can achieve. (That's likely a hard 2x max).
Can someone explain more about how DS is different from SSAA?
This may just be that the application hasn't registered what display you want to change. Under "Change Resolution" try selecting the display from the top that you want to change first and then selecting the Customize button.
Stephen_drewz
Member
Does anyone do this with dual monitors? If so what happens when you open a game on monitor 1 at example: 2600xwhatever and then also what happens when you exit the game back to a normal 1920x1080 desktop?
I have an issue when I open the game at the higher res it pushes everything on monitor 2 to the right and when I exit the game it doesn't move everything back. So I have to manually move everything back to its original spot all the time.
Thanks
I have an issue when I open the game at the higher res it pushes everything on monitor 2 to the right and when I exit the game it doesn't move everything back. So I have to manually move everything back to its original spot all the time.
Thanks
jim2point0
Banned
Just seems really rare. Sethos is the only person I know sporting a 1600p monitor. I'm sure there are others out there...
I'd like to see some more examples of folks reaching downsampling resolutions higher than 3840 pixels wide, whether it be from 1440p or 1600p monitors. Really tempted to pull the trigger on one.
This isn't really the thread for this but the most relevant one I can think of.
I tried updating my graphics drivers a couple times this week and it keeps failing out.
I don't want the GEForce experience so I always so don't install that.
Then finally today I just lazily clicked "install express" option which is identical to how I'd been doing it except it also installs the GEforce experience and now it's suddenly working.
Is this Nvidia doing some shady shit trying to get people to install it or is this some one off crazy error with me?
I tried updating my graphics drivers a couple times this week and it keeps failing out.
I don't want the GEForce experience so I always so don't install that.
Then finally today I just lazily clicked "install express" option which is identical to how I'd been doing it except it also installs the GEforce experience and now it's suddenly working.
Is this Nvidia doing some shady shit trying to get people to install it or is this some one off crazy error with me?
Weird. when i updated to 320.49 (GTX660) i accidentally did not click to include it and while it did delete the old NGE it installed the driver just fine.
Nope. When I select my second monitor (my TV), the customize button is greyed out. For my PC monitor, it lets me hit the customize button, but nothing past that.
Here's how it looks, if it helps:
And yes I've checked "Enable resolutions not supported by the display". It still won't let me click the "Create Custom Resolution" button.
Nope. When I select my second monitor (my TV), the customize button is greyed out. For my PC monitor, it lets me hit the customize button, but nothing past that.
Here's how it looks, if it helps:
And yes I've checked "Enable resolutions not supported by the display". It still won't let me click the "Create Custom Resolution" button.
Edit: nevermind then
Nope. When I select my second monitor (my TV), the customize button is greyed out. For my PC monitor, it lets me hit the customize button, but nothing past that.
Here's how it looks, if it helps:
And yes I've checked "Enable resolutions not supported by the display". It still won't let me click the "Create Custom Resolution" button.
Click "Enable resolutions not exposed by the display".
Then, set it so you're ONLY using the screen you're trying to configure and the other one is off.
Check if it lets you customize it.
If not, then close Nvidia Control Panel, reopen it, click directly to Change Resolution, then see if the option is still greyed out.
This worked. I unplugged the HDMI cable leading to my TV, and it allowed me to make the custom resolution.
Though that leads to my follow-up question: will this also work while playing games off my TV?
Edit: Doesn't appear to, so far. Is there a way to customize my TV to accept the downsampling?
I do 99% gaming off the TV, so it would defeat the purpose if I could only experience this on my desktop monitor.
MrRoderick
Member
Dunno if you saw the post before, but no interest in say, this?
It will work for TV's, but same as before you'll probly wanna make it the only output. What do you mean by it didn't work?
Hold Windows key and Press P until you select the option that ONLY has your TV turned on then try creating a custom resolution for it.
My mistake, I was able to customize my TV's resolution as well. Just had to display it on that TV only momentarily to allow the config.
I've tested a few games and it works great without a hitch on some (Castlevania, Call of Juarez Gunslinger), but it impacts the framerate on others (Far Cry 3, Metro: Last Light, Assassin's Creed III). Guess I'll just play around to see which games can handle it and which can't.
Is the idea to have AA on simultaneously, or to turn it off completely? Will it look even better if combined with things like Inject AA?
I've tested a few games and it works great without a hitch on some (Castlevania, Call of Juarez Gunslinger), but it impacts the framerate on others (Far Cry 3, Metro: Last Light, Assassin's Creed III). Guess I'll just play around to see which games can handle it and which can't.
Is the idea to have AA on simultaneously, or to turn it off completely? Will it look even better if combined with things like Inject AA?
MrRoderick
Member
The idea is to get the best IQ you can. Sometimes this will mean native res with AA in the game, but most times it'll be yer DS res + whatever AA allows a good fps too.
Personally, when I'm just straight up gaming, not screenshotting, I don't mind FXAA or especially TXAA, even though FXAA can be a bit blurring, because I notice the temporal aliasing less. If you'd like the most stunning and crisp image moment by moment, stick with SMAA, and whatever you can muster DS + other stuff.
Having 2560 x 1440 on the HDTV I hook up to sometimes, it looks great! I turn down the sharpness on my TV too
1st Course
Member
Ofc. The SMAA injector that come with SweetFX is almost performance free so no reason to not use it anyway.
Cannon Goose
Member
I had to reinstall my GPU drivers today and now I can't get the aspect ratio scaling option to stick. Whenever I select it and hit apply it the monitor just goes black momentarily and then when it comes back it's just set to one of the other two options instead.
jim2point0
Banned
I have an interest. Been thinking about that monitor for months now. I just think a maximum potential height of 2880 sounds better than 2160 (not to mention being more practical for day-to-day stuff). I can still force a 5120x2160 resolution on the 1440p monitor, but obviously the monitor wouldn't be as wide\sexy xD
Dictator93
Member
MrRoderick
Member
This happens to me. I found that if I change the resolution to whatever one I have that is a different aspect ratio than native in the standard system screen res, and then choose GPU scaling, and aspect ratio, it works.
Cannon Goose
Member
Upon doing this I realised that the aspect ratio scaling was actually intact, just not reflected in the settings menu for some reason.
RedlineRonin
Member
This is exactly what's happening on mine, with all games, on both a plasma TV and a 23" LG monitor. It almost appears as though the color space is changing, which would explain the crushed out blacks...
Poetic.Injustice
Member
I fixed this by changing RGB to YCbCr444 in Nvidia control panel.