mr_bishiuk
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FF_VIII said:
Yes I'm thinking of getting a spare for my bedroom and a cheap HDMI cable, then all I have to do is whip of the Hardrive of my elite if I want to play in peace upstarirs.
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PAL Charts - Week 44, 2007
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Yes I'm thinking of getting a spare for my bedroom and a cheap HDMI cable, then all I have to do is whip of the Hardrive of my elite if I want to play in peace upstarirs.
Frankfurter said:
What do you mean ? I live in Switzerland and I can't afford a single café at morning 'cause I have no farthing for it (but yeah, I'm a student, and on top of that not that brilliant)
The greatest success in Switzerland in recent history is Nintendogs with about 120'000 copies sold LTD. This has been told me by the marketing assistent of Waldmeier.
Knowing this, how can you figure out that Switzerland has the potential to live up to a fraction of the UK market ?
Phife Dawg
Member
UK+Fr+Ger+Sp+It=over 300mFrankfurter said:
EU=500m
The eastern countries, who aren't an economical force yet add up to almost 100m. These markets can be neglected for now. Sure they will grow over time but why should they play a part in our discussions now when that will take a good 10 years? The rest does matter, just not as much as the big ones.
So no numbers or anything, just your honest guess?Agent Icebeezy said:
Agent Icebeezy
Welcome beautful toddler, Madison Elizabeth, to the horde!
Phife Dawg said:
No, from what Gamestop people tell me and from what I've seen.
Frankfurter
Member
mr_bishiuk said:
Yes and no. PC is still the most important plattform in Germany, reflected by both revenue/sales and shelf space/presentation in stores, but DS for example is pretty hot here and apparently it's gonna be well over 3m LTD at the end of 2007.
Aika'svyse
Banned
ACK Thread nearly ruined by some rabid PS3 fan the first few pages, if Playstation3 sells more than 360 this gen he apparently gets a 10 million check from somewhere.
Randy Lanzarote
Member
Is it me or are these PAL charts discussion threads descending into the same old arguments every week?
"uk is not eu "
"360 is dead on teh continent "
"don't forget poland "
"germany is PC land "
"ps3 games have legs in france "
"*Insert country* is only about 20%...30%...40% of the euro gaming market" (changes each week)
Why spend so much time arguing over who gets second place? Is Buzz Aldrin the posterboy for this generation?
Wouldn't it be great to get a monthly NPD type release for Europe breaking down how sales are progressing? Imagine the speculation and conjecture it would end, no more statistics pulled from the brown hole. And Americans; be glad you have NPD. You are looking at the consequences of not having a centralised and public sales tracker.
"uk is not eu "
"360 is dead on teh continent "
"don't forget poland "
"germany is PC land "
"ps3 games have legs in france "
"*Insert country* is only about 20%...30%...40% of the euro gaming market" (changes each week)
Why spend so much time arguing over who gets second place? Is Buzz Aldrin the posterboy for this generation?
Wouldn't it be great to get a monthly NPD type release for Europe breaking down how sales are progressing? Imagine the speculation and conjecture it would end, no more statistics pulled from the brown hole. And Americans; be glad you have NPD. You are looking at the consequences of not having a centralised and public sales tracker.
Phife Dawg
Member
Annecdotal evidence it is then.Agent Icebeezy said:
Spain
01. Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 (PS2)
02. Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 (PS3)
03. Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 (Xbox 360)
04. Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 (PC)
05. The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass (DS)
06. Metroid Prime 3: Corruption (Wii)
07. FIFA 08 (PS2)
08. WWE Smackdown! Vs RAW 2007 (PS2)
09. Football Manager 2008 (PC)
10. More Brain Training (DS)
Germany
01. Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 (PS2)
02. Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 (PS3)
03. Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 (PC)
04. The Witcher (PC)
05. The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass (DS)
06. Metroid Prime 3: Corruption (Wii)
07. Anno 1701 (PC)
08. Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 (Xbox 360)
09. FIFA 08 (PS2)
10. More Brain Training (DS)
http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7810&Itemid=2
01. Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 (PS2)
02. Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 (PS3)
03. Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 (Xbox 360)
04. Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 (PC)
05. The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass (DS)
06. Metroid Prime 3: Corruption (Wii)
07. FIFA 08 (PS2)
08. WWE Smackdown! Vs RAW 2007 (PS2)
09. Football Manager 2008 (PC)
10. More Brain Training (DS)
Germany
01. Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 (PS2)
02. Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 (PS3)
03. Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 (PC)
04. The Witcher (PC)
05. The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass (DS)
06. Metroid Prime 3: Corruption (Wii)
07. Anno 1701 (PC)
08. Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 (Xbox 360)
09. FIFA 08 (PS2)
10. More Brain Training (DS)
http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7810&Itemid=2
OP updated, thanks sakuragi.
Denmark:
TOP 20 ENTERTAINMENT SOFTWARE (ALL PRICES), WEEK ENDING 3 November 2007
01 (02) Fifa 08 (Electronic Arts)
02 (01) Football Manager 2008 (Pan Vision)
03 (__) Hellgate: London (Electronic Arts)
04 (03) Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 (K.e. Media)
05 (07) Need For Speed: Carbon (Electronic Arts)
06 (__) The Simpsons Game (Electronic Arts)
07 (09) Crash Of The Titans (Vivendi Games)
08 (__) Postmand Per (K.e. Media)
09 (04) The Sims 2: Bon Voyage (Electronic Arts)
10 (__) Garfield 2 (K.e. Media)
11 (11) Pixeline: Lær At Læse (Krea Medie)
12 (19) Counter-strike 1: Anthology (Electronic Arts)
13 (08) Biler (Thq)
14 (__) Fifa 07 (Electronic Arts)
15 (__) Counter-strike: Source (Electronic Arts)
16 (06) The Orange Box (Electronic Arts)
17 (10) World Of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade (Vivendi Games)
18 (__) Jordbær Marie Og Hendes Venner (K.e. Media)
19 (17) Ratatouille (Thq)
20 (20) The Sims 2 (Electronic Arts)
Denmark:
TOP 20 ENTERTAINMENT SOFTWARE (ALL PRICES), WEEK ENDING 3 November 2007
01 (02) Fifa 08 (Electronic Arts)
02 (01) Football Manager 2008 (Pan Vision)
03 (__) Hellgate: London (Electronic Arts)
04 (03) Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 (K.e. Media)
05 (07) Need For Speed: Carbon (Electronic Arts)
06 (__) The Simpsons Game (Electronic Arts)
07 (09) Crash Of The Titans (Vivendi Games)
08 (__) Postmand Per (K.e. Media)
09 (04) The Sims 2: Bon Voyage (Electronic Arts)
10 (__) Garfield 2 (K.e. Media)
11 (11) Pixeline: Lær At Læse (Krea Medie)
12 (19) Counter-strike 1: Anthology (Electronic Arts)
13 (08) Biler (Thq)
14 (__) Fifa 07 (Electronic Arts)
15 (__) Counter-strike: Source (Electronic Arts)
16 (06) The Orange Box (Electronic Arts)
17 (10) World Of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade (Vivendi Games)
18 (__) Jordbær Marie Og Hendes Venner (K.e. Media)
19 (17) Ratatouille (Thq)
20 (20) The Sims 2 (Electronic Arts)
Phife Dawg
Member
You should add Italy to that list as well, further reducing the remaining percentage. And the market besides all those big countries is spread over so many different countries that we can't really make any extrapolations from the little info we have. For instance scandinavian and benelux markets seem to differ quite a lot and for what we know neither could be an indication for the eastern european market.spwolf said:According to Nintendo info, UK+FR+Spain+Ger are 75%-80% of the market.
I think 20-25% of market is quite significant.
p.s. Console wise, in 2006, Spain overtook Germany to #3 spot in sales. So it is UK, France, Spain, Germany.
Those charts are ngb. We had that discussion about those charts. I still vote for sticking with the official ones, at least for Germany since we actually get it.felipeko said:
speculawyer
Member
sakuragi said:
Wow . . . Europe really is Sonyland. Why does the PS3 do better than the 360 in Europe considering the game library and price? It can't be Blu-Ray HD movies since HDTV penetration is not deep enough.
AltogetherAndrews
Member
speculawyer said:
I'd imagine quality has something to do with it, and then there's also the fact that Sony has had a few more years on the market. Aside from familiarity with everything from brand to controller, anyone with a grip on gaming history knows that even if the pickings might be slim now, Sony will deliver. Although the games library thing is becoming less relevant; barring shovelware, the difference won't be that significant even before 2008 starts.
RamzaIsCool
The Amiga Brotherhood
Imo PES on a PS platform is a superior experience simply because it uses the DS/ shockaxis. Maybe the controller has a lot of issues with FPS and maybe the xbox360 controller is better in that regard. But for this game the DS is perfect and I can't imagine to play it with another controller. And I think a lot of people in Europe feel the same way.
And isn't the PS3/ PES2008 bundle supposed to come out next week?
And isn't the PS3/ PES2008 bundle supposed to come out next week?
speculawyer said:
As I keep saying in each and every media create thread: it comes down to advertising and marketing. Microsoft never advertised its XBox and barely advertises the 360 in mainland Europe so obviously people keep buying playstations.
The day microsoft decides to truly push its console in mainland Europe, things might change.
Honestly, I adore my 360, but if one of my best friends hadn't ever bought it I probably would still think to this day that it's a gameless, POS of a console like the original Xbox and that PS3 was the way to go.
Phife Dawg
Member
Not true. Last week the charts were posted by reminder. The only week missing was the week before where I didn't get the charts (for whatever reason).felipeko said:
I have seen more 360 ads at the PS3 launch than I've seen PS3 ads. They had the price reduction to 199 and 299 for the PS3 launch as well (Germany). They are trying to push the thing but fail for obvious reasons:Kildace said:
- lack of reliability
- most "exclusives" coming to PC sooner or later with PC still being a viable gaming plattform (HD since forever too :lol )
- MS isn't really the most loved brand there is (Europe has the highest percentage of Firefox users, then there's the whole discussion about MS monopolizing the software market)
- software pricing (PC versions are always a hefty amount cheaper)
- pay-to-play online with online being one major selling point of 360
We already knew that the PS3 version would outsell the 360 version on the mainland (well at least anyone paying attention to PAL sales-age and not having their system wars goggles on). PES is still seen as a Playstation brand. This might change in due time and we have seen that Fifa was quite successful on the 360, meaning some PS owners did make the change, but ultimately PS2 and PS3 to a lesser extent of course will sell the absolute bulk of these games. XBots (who I suppose are mainly not even from Europe) may want to make you believe otherwise, but 360 is not a big success outside of the UK.speculawyer said:
Phife Dawg said:
I work in advertising so I actually get the exact advertising expenditures. Sony has spent more than 3 times what Microsoft has spent in advertising in France . It had a very high profile advertising campaign with a teasing / revelation mechanism, it's almost always advertised inside FNAC's (france biggest "culture" retailer) and it's present in very strategical and expensive magazines like the latest redesigned Playboy.
Fun fact, Nintendo spends almost twice as much as Sony does.
S
Shepherd
Unconfirmed Member
felipeko said:
Wow . . . Europe really is Microsoftland. Why does the 360 do better than the PS3 in Europe?
Just making fun of the others proclaiming Europe SonyLand just because the PS3 PES outsold the 360 PES in 2 countries.
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
Shepherd said:
I'd like to know the margin of outselling in any of these instances, if we're going around proclaiming all these "Lands".
S
Shepherd
Unconfirmed Member
The great news is that now that NPD does not give out HW numbers we can proclaim the PS3 winning there as well. Just wait it will happen.
In terms of installed bases of this generation's consoles (estimation pieced together from various PRs and articles), the total sales (Wii+360+PS3) are approximately twice as large in UK as it is in Spain and Germany combined. This report has the UK at a 32.8% EU software sales share in 2005 (Germany 17.9% and Spain 7.6%), and this likely includes PC software since Germany would be significantly lower otherwise.spwolf said:
oo Kosma oo said:
PS2 does not equal the gaming market!
We needed another comment like this :lol
Seriously though, what was true last gen isn't necessarily true this gen. Europe is perhaps the most interesting console battleground with Nintendo and Microsoft providing a lot more competition than last gen even though it looks like this is the PS3's strongest market. The variety from all the various countries makes it impossible to make any blanket generalizations.